“Next Gen” Mustang Will be Electric (EV) Only Claims Autoline

[Norm Peterson]

It is whatever floats your boat. I am more of a straight line junkie (1/4 mile etc) that enjoys the feeling of acceleration and it makes me giddy like a 5 year old.

Drag race vs HPDE might be the difference between frantic excitement and composed satisfaction, I guess.

I would assume for road racing the car would have to have crap ton of torque vectoring and/or modulation to keep it so there is not just an on/off switch under your right foot.

Big torque at low speeds is for the most part wasted in road course driving. Certainly so at HPDE and time trialing where the "start" is not a standing-start launch like it is at drag racing - it's just a normal "get the car rolling" run down pit lane and out onto a conservatively-paced "out lap" where your concerns are getting tires and brakes up to operating temperatures over any consideration of measured performance. Normally, you don't stop again until your session is over and you've pulled into your paddock space.

The satisfaction comes from the driver managing all of the modulations involved, all by himself. Not just the acceleration part, but the braking and the cornering, and the management of at least the combination of cornering + acceleration on corner exit.

I am not a road racer but I’d assume you still try to keep car in the power band so could help. Just because the power is there from 0 rpm doesn’t mean you have to mash throttle upon takeoff - just like combustion engines.

Understood. But given that you're never driving very hard down at really low rpms/speeds, what's the point of having max torque happen down there?

In street driving, and especially in the wet, it's easier to drive a car that does not require careful "throttle" modulation than one that does, and I'm saying this in the context of not relying on electronic traction control, or necessarily even having a traction control system to rely on.


Norm

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[Kong76]

If I can't hear it, I won't drive it.

 

[Redbaron289]

I’m surprisingly ok with this, and here is why: if the S550 continues until the 2029MY, can you imagine the improvements made to it over that time? We may be driving the epitome of ICE Mustangs!

I am also now wondering if those reports that the next Mustang was to last 8 years really meant that the current Mustang would last 8 MORE years? Ford may be looking at how the ancient Challenger is selling and deciding to just roll with it for more years.

 

[Troutwrangler]

My Dad drove up until a week before he passed at age 91. I expect no less of myself if I make it that far.


Norm

That's awesome Norm!
I hope to be so fortunate...

 

[Hack]

It is whatever floats your boat. I am more of a straight line junkie (1/4 mile etc) that enjoys the feeling of acceleration and it makes me giddy like a 5 year old.

I would assume for road racing the car would have to have crap ton of torque vectoring and/or modulation to keep it so there is not just an on/off switch under your right foot. I am not a road racer but I’d assume you still try to keep car in the power band so could help. Just because the power is there from 0 rpm doesn’t mean you have to mash throttle upon takeoff- just like combustion engines.

You should really buy a motorcycle if you are all about straight line acceleration. They produce a lot more acceleration than a car. Plus they are relatively cheap. If I were really into acceleration as a high priority I'd still own one. Even slow motorcycles like my old Vulcan 1500 will give you that queasy inner ear feeling of disorientation.

Cars don't compare.

 

[amk91]

I don't know what's wrong with XenForo. Always having log in issues. Anyway...this information is mixed up with some BS. Launch timeline is correct for the 8th generation car, but 7th generation does exist and clearly some people struggle in the media to figure it out.

I had said for a very long time the S650 would run 5-6 years, because I knew another redesigned car would replace it by 2027 or 2028.

I had the inkling this would be a revolutionary car and so have many others, who are way more informed than me. Did Farley throw shit around and abandon the S650 designation? Not likely, both 7th and 8th gen cars will launch before 2030, which is why I doubted 2030 ever being mentioned.

I had wanted to reply to many posts the past 6 weeks in different threads, but I gave up when the forum software kept screwing with my log in.

What is a real pain, is the careless spreading of news by non-members (other chats). I just hope enough people see through the BS, as S550 is retired soon. It's what pisses me off immensely: the stupid rumor running around that the S550 will be in production beyond 2023. Such a load of crap, as they are not reading the full picture. S650 is coming and it's not BEV, but HEV and also petrol.

Some good posts here have doubted that claim from out the gate, but my issue is that we all need to come stronger against any false narratives and not fall for any of it.

MY 2021 Last round of significant changes to S550
MY 2023 redesign as S650
MY 2026 refresh as S650 MCA
MY 2028 S650 retirement
MY 2029 All New EV Mustang

The above is dead accurate. 2023+ S550 is not (that's S650), which is the BS I have seen elsewhere and of course, every idiot is falling for it as credible.

Really, really disappointing Ford never ever committed to giving the Mustang an all new basis for 2021 like Mark Fields planned and Hackett instead did another revised D2C for 2023. @martinjlm is right ASF on the claim, that 2016-18 Alpha-based Camaro SS 1LE has positives in the handling department over Mustang GT Premium PP (especially pre 2018).

And their Recaros aren't as bad from a functional standpoint (my Mustang leather Recaros look great, but too basic for what I paid). Too bad I hated the chintzy Alpha Camaro rear end, but even more so after the facelift. Only looks good when modified.

(Note: D2C began production in September 2004 at Flat Rock!)

I believe the EV-only aspect, which is why they decided to push back any real commitment to a 100% new car. I am very convinced now, the 2029 car won't be current CD6. In fact, there will never be a CD6 Mustang. CD6 will be 9 years old in late 2028.

Ever since the 70s, this has just been their M.O. and I don't like it:

• Gen 3 - September 1978: Fox Body 1979 Mustang, all-new car arrives in Ford dealers.
  • 1980: FWD Mustang enters development for late 1985 release, for 1986 MY.
  • Fall 1982: Minor refresh; New Convertible; Ford abandons solo FWD plans and partners up with Mazda. (1986 prototype of solo effort resembled 1982 F-body)
  • Fall 1983: SVO introduced
  • December 1983: ST16 FWD Mazda Stang design finalized (aka Probe)
  • Fall 1986: Major "Aero" facelift for 1987 Mustangs released.
  • Calendar Year 1987: 1988 RWD Mustang Classic cancelled; 1988 FWD Mustang renamed as "Probe", launched May 1988 as 1989MY.
  • June 1989: SN95 program studied and initiated.
  • October 1990: SN95 fully designed and signed off for Q4 1993 intro. Frozen January 16, 1991.
  • Q3 1993: End of Fox-body production.
• Gen 4 - December 1993: Fox-4 1994 Mustang is a heavily revised car, with all new tophat arrives in Ford dealers (3.8 only), after so much back & forth since 1980 on FWD vs RWD and MN12 (IRS) vs Fox.
  • January 1994: 1994 Mustang GT arrives at Ford dealers.
  • Spring 1994: 1994.5 Cobra introduced.
  • Fall 1995: Rushed Minor Refresh for 1996; new 4.6L
  • December 1998: Heavily restyled tophat, with very little changes underneath arrives on 12/26 in dealers as 1999 model.
  • Spring 1999: All new car ordered as S197, J Mays gathers design team
  • Fall 2000: 2001 Mach 1 introduced
  • Fall 2001: S197 design completed and development advances for Q4 2004 launch
  • May 2004: End of SN95/Fox production
• Gen 5 - October 2004: All-new car on D2C introduced after 26 years!
  • CY 2006: New GT500, major equipment changes for 2007
  • March 2009: Heavily revised tophat launched for 2010.
  • Spring 2009: S550 program initiated, design work begins later in 2009.
  • March 2010: New Coyote 5.0; Cyclone 3.7L V6
  • Spring 2011: New trims like Boss 302 for 2012
  • January 2012: Ford execs set S550 final design and begin mech. prototype work.
  • March 2012: Minor refresh for 2013
  • June 2014: S197 Production ends
• Gen 6 - Sept-Oct 2014: All new tophat, IRS, heavily revised D2C/D5, and revised engine range.
  • CY 2015: International launch; addition of Shelby GT350; S650 initiated.
  • CY 2016: S650 pushed forward by Fields to May 2020 Job 1 (delayed to December 2020 for Feb 2021 launch)
  • CY 2017: S650 delayed via regime change from Fields to Hackett
  • December 1, 2017: 2018 S550 MCA officially on sale, with changes to front and rear fascias, revised powertrains, new trans, and etc.
  • 2019: 2020 GT500 launched
  • March 2021: Minor changes for 2021 (delayed); Mach 1
  • 2022: End of S550 production
• Gen 7- Q4 2022: 2023 Mustang range launched, all-new tophat, revised D5/D2C, new powertrains
  • 2023: Performance versions (ie Shelby or etc arrive); Development of EV Mustang begins
  • 2025: S650 MCA launched for 2026. Ford completes basic design definition of 2029 Mustang
  • 2028: End of S650 and D2C/D5 production.
• Gen 8 - Late 2028: First all-new Mustang since October 2004, launches for the 2029 model year on an all new architecture and no carryover engines.

This is pretty much what I think happens going forward and what did happen in the past. Why has Ford gotten so lazy and only launch a truly new car every quarter century? The math on 2004 - 1978 vs 2028 - 2004 says more than enough. S550 is nothing more than a fancier S197 with decent improvements.

S650 is more of the same as 2015 in terms of changes. I am disappointed that I will probably never get a fully new ICE Mustang, like we did for 2005 (but with old ASF 4.6L V8).

 

[llinthicum1]

I have a question. If the Mustang Mach e is based on the C2 platform, why is the next generation Mustang using components from the D3 platform? Seems like if there is going to be a BEV Mustang coupe by 2028, why not use the C2 platform and create a 2 door Mach e coupe??

 

[amk91]

I have a question. If the Mustang Mach e is based on the C2 platform, why is the next generation Mustang using components from the D3 platform? Seems like if there is going to be a BEV Mustang coupe by 2028, why not use the C2 platform and create a 2 door Mach e coupe??

Mach E is not on C2, but GE1 (which is heavily modified from C2 to be RWD). Where did you hear any mention of D3 components? The D3 is dead as March 2019.

 

[Twin Turbo]

I don't know what's wrong with XenForo. Always having log in issues. Anyway...this information is mixed up with some BS. Launch timeline is correct for the 8th generation car, but 7th generation does exist and clearly some people struggle in the media to figure it out.

I had said for a very long time the S650 would run 5-6 years, because I knew another redesigned car would replace it by 2027 or 2028.

I had the inkling this would be a revolutionary car and so have many others, who are way more informed than me. Did Farley throw shit around and abandon the S650 designation? Not likely, both 7th and 8th gen cars will launch before 2030, which is why I doubted 2030 ever being mentioned.

I had wanted to reply to many posts the past 6 weeks in different threads, but I gave up when the forum software kept screwing with my log in.

What is a real pain, is the careless spreading of news by non-members (other chats). I just hope enough people see through the BS, as S550 is retired soon. It's what pisses me off immensely: the stupid rumor running around that the S550 will be in production beyond 2023. Such a load of crap, as they are not reading the full picture. S650 is coming and it's not BEV, but HEV and also petrol.

Some good posts here have doubted that claim from out the gate, but my issue is that we all need to come stronger against any false narratives and not fall for any of it.

MY 2021 Last round of significant changes to S550
MY 2023 redesign as S650
MY 2026 refresh as S650 MCA
MY 2028 S650 retirement
MY 2029 All New EV Mustang

The above is dead accurate. 2023+ S550 is not (that's S650), which is the BS I have seen elsewhere and of course, every idiot is falling for it as credible.

Really, really disappointing Ford never ever committed to giving the Mustang an all new basis for 2021 like Mark Fields planned and Hackett instead did another revised D2C for 2023. @martinjlm is right ASF on the claim, that 2016-18 Alpha-based Camaro SS 1LE has positives in the handling department over Mustang GT Premium PP (especially pre 2018).

And their Recaros aren't as bad from a functional standpoint (my Mustang leather Recaros look great, but too basic for what I paid). Too bad I hated the chintzy Alpha Camaro rear end, but even more so after the facelift. Only looks good when modified.

(Note: D2C began production in September 2004 at Flat Rock!)

I believe the EV-only aspect, which is why they decided to push back any real commitment to a 100% new car. I am very convinced now, the 2029 car won't be current CD6. In fact, there will never be a CD6 Mustang. CD6 will be 9 years old in late 2028.

Ever since the 70s, this has just been their M.O. and I don't like it:

• Gen 3 - September 1978: Fox Body 1979 Mustang, all-new car arrives in Ford dealers.
  • 1980: FWD Mustang enters development for late 1985 release, for 1986 MY.
  • Fall 1982: Minor refresh; New Convertible; Ford abandons solo FWD plans and partners up with Mazda. (1986 prototype of solo effort resembled 1982 F-body)
  • Fall 1983: SVO introduced
  • December 1983: ST16 FWD Mazda Stang design finalized (aka Probe)
  • Fall 1986: Major "Aero" facelift for 1987 Mustangs released.
  • Calendar Year 1987: 1988 RWD Mustang Classic cancelled; 1988 FWD Mustang renamed as "Probe", launched May 1988 as 1989MY.
  • June 1989: SN95 program studied and initiated.
  • October 1990: SN95 fully designed and signed off for Q4 1993 intro. Frozen January 16, 1991.
  • Q3 1993: End of Fox-body production.
• Gen 4 - December 1993: Fox-4 1994 Mustang is a heavily revised car, with all new tophat arrives in Ford dealers (3.8 only), after so much back & forth since 1980 on FWD vs RWD and MN12 (IRS) vs Fox.
  • January 1994: 1994 Mustang GT arrives at Ford dealers.
  • Spring 1994: 1994.5 Cobra introduced.
  • Fall 1995: Rushed Minor Refresh for 1996; new 4.6L
  • December 1998: Heavily restyled tophat, with very little changes underneath arrives on 12/26 in dealers as 1999 model.
  • Spring 1999: All new car ordered as S197, J Mays gathers design team
  • Fall 2000: 2001 Mach 1 introduced
  • Fall 2001: S197 design completed and development advances for Q4 2004 launch
  • May 2004: End of SN95/Fox production
• Gen 5 - October 2004: All-new car on D2C introduced after 26 years!
  • CY 2006: New GT500, major equipment changes for 2007
  • March 2009: Heavily revised tophat launched for 2010.
  • Spring 2009: S550 program initiated, design work begins later in 2009.
  • March 2010: New Coyote 5.0; Cyclone 3.7L V6
  • Spring 2011: New trims like Boss 302 for 2012
  • January 2012: Ford execs set S550 final design and begin mech. prototype work.
  • March 2012: Minor refresh for 2013
  • June 2014: S197 Production ends
• Gen 6 - Sept-Oct 2014: All new tophat, IRS, heavily revised D2C/D5, and revised engine range.
  • CY 2015: International launch; addition of Shelby GT350; S650 initiated.
  • CY 2016: S650 pushed forward by Fields to May 2020 Job 1 (delayed to December 2020 for Feb 2021 launch)
  • CY 2017: S650 delayed via regime change from Fields to Hackett
  • December 1, 2017: 2018 S550 MCA officially on sale, with changes to front and rear fascias, revised powertrains, new trans, and etc.
  • 2019: 2020 GT500 launched
  • March 2021: Minor changes for 2021 (delayed); Mach 1
  • 2022: End of S550 production
• Gen 7- Q4 2022: 2023 Mustang range launched, all-new tophat, revised D5/D2C, new powertrains
  • 2023: Performance versions (ie Shelby or etc arrive); Development of EV Mustang begins
  • 2025: S650 MCA launched for 2026. Ford completes basic design definition of 2029 Mustang
  • 2028: End of S650 and D2C/D5 production.
• Gen 8 - Late 2028: First all-new Mustang since October 2004, launches for the 2029 model year on an all new architecture and no carryover engines.

This is pretty much what I think happens going forward and what did happen in the past. Why has Ford gotten so lazy and only launch a truly new car every quarter century? The math on 2004 - 1978 vs 2028 - 2004 says more than enough. S550 is nothing more than a fancier S197 with decent improvements.

S650 is more of the same as 2015 in terms of changes. I am disappointed that I will probably never get a fully new ICE Mustang, like we did for 2005 (but with old ASF 4.6L V8).

Thank you @amk91 I've been waiting for you to post

At least Autoblog are questioning Auto Forecast Solutions and asking why they're ignoring S650/23MY
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/01/21/electric-ford-mustang-2028-rumor/

I agree it's a shame S650 won't be all new, but I'm still looking forward to it immensely.

I also really hope Ford reconsiders S750 being pure EV. Even here in the UK, we'll still be able to by hybrid (ICE + electric assist) if our ban (not yet passed in legislation) on pure ICE vehicles becomes law in 2030. I'd rather an EV Mustang was sold alongside the ICE engined variants but, I guess ironically, that would require even more compromises for S750.

The Mustang faithful managed to change Ford's mind back in the late 80's when they were going to replace the Fox with a front wheel drive "Mustang" based on a Mazda. Letters were sent en-masse to Ford HQ and they listened!

We were not successful in getting them to rename the Mach E as something other than a Mustang, despite the many thousands of upset Mustang owners putting their opinions on forums like this.

I know pure EV is the future, whether we like it or not, but in terms of our beloved Mustang I'd like us to be able to have at least the V8 option available to us for as long as possible.

I'll find a pen and paper and write to Mr Farley, C/O Ford HQ

 

[Twin Turbo]

Oh, and to put to bed the rumors we might not get S650 next year, perhaps the odd heavily camo'd prototype prowling the streets might help

 

[Ace]

I know pure EV is the future, whether we like it or not, but in terms of our beloved Mustang I'd like us to be able to have at least the V8 option available to us for as long as possible.

At least Darren Palmer of Ford told me, that in his opinion there will always be place for V8 engines in the upper models like Shelbys. Tadge Juechter said a while ago that they did surveys on if the C8 Corvette should have anything but a V8 and they were booed by the customers.

2029 is a long way to go. Reports that companies are working on 5 minute full charging times and 600+ miles ranges for the future are on the news. Once we are there and the loading infrastructure is good, electric cars will just be so much more advanced compared to an ICE for what most cars are used for.

Just take a look at the Hummer EV. 1000+hp, 3s to 60. Just imagine what a pure electric sportscar 9 years away from now could do. I don't think any kind of ICE development could hold up with the performance and low center of gravity of an future EV. Of course I would miss the V8 rumble and most likely want to keep a V8 car in my garage. But having like a C8 as a classic and a 2029 Mustang EV for daily would be an awesome combination.

And for sound. We already know "vehicle sounds" that sound absolutely amazing from media. A car that screams like a Tie Fighter or Pod Racer from Star Wars - And not purely on the inside - would definitely be fun to drive.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Unfortunately, this is why mustangs are so popular at car shows and known for hitting crowds. Controlling fast cars is not easy unless you have some experience and driving competency.

Maybe the root problem is an inability or unwillingness to set the need for excitement aside and pay attention to what the car is doing and what it's trying to tell you . . .


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

December 1998: Heavily restyled tophat, with very little changes underneath arrives on 12/26 in dealers as 1999 model.

I know I've never heard the term 'tophat' before. What does it mean/what does it include?

This is pretty much what I think happens going forward and what did happen in the past. Why has Ford gotten so lazy and only launch a truly new car every quarter century? The math on 2004 - 1978 vs 2028 - 2004 says more than enough. S550 is nothing more than a fancier S197 with decent improvements.

Devil's advocate . . . isn't evolution a less expensive path than revolution? And less likely to alienate existing customers?


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

Just take a look at the Hummer EV. 1000+hp, 3s to 60. Just imagine what a pure electric sportscar 9 years away from now could do. I don't think any kind of ICE development could hold up with the performance and low center of gravity of an future EV.

Misses the whole point of driving a sports car. Yes, it's partly about the car. But it's also roughly equal parts driver, and an EV is going to refine a lot of the driver's involvement out. Zero to 60 in the threes, or twos, is strictly drag racing (and will presumably involve the electronics more than it does the driver). Where's the satisfaction for the driver? Traded away for bragging rights?

No thanks, and FWIW I'd want my DD to be nearly as much fun to drive as the toy/occasional track day car.


Norm

 

[Twin Turbo]

"Top hat" effectively means all new body (and interior) on top of existing (albeit mildly modified) underpinnings (engine/trans/suspension/body structure)

Think '98 to '99 SN95 or '09 to '10 S197

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