2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[MENTION=18362]Side_Pce[/MENTION] can you share your limp mode experience?

Tank said:

Please quote your sources. Are they first hand from Ford? Secondary? A guy heard from another guy???

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I thought I read it in here earlier..... maybe I'm just assuming as I looked back through and don't see it. Would have sworn I read it though. Sorry if I am incorrect. I might be mixing a post from where Screamer said he bought it....

VOODOO 6G said:

I thought I read it in here earlier..... maybe I'm just assuming as I looked back through and don't see it. Would have sworn I read it though. Sorry if I am incorrect. I might be mixing a post from where Screamer said he bought it....

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You're not mistaken, it was said. I'm not sure if it was factual or an assumption so I didn't chime in.

In talking with Isaac of Ford Performance, the two kits include everything to comvert the tech trans to the track pack one.

Optimum Performance said:

M-7000-M8S Transmission Assembly 2700-2900 <List$4800.
M-7095-M8S Transmission Cooler Kit Less than $695

Basically less than $3500-4000 for a 'plug and play' complete kit.

The Cooler kit uses all the factory parts from the TP/R. These two numbers give you everything to install it in the car. The picture shows you both parts numbers ordered together will get you.

I only have pricing on the Trans (official because it is released) The Cooler parts are basically what you could buy everything from a Ford Dealer directly We have two that Sponsor the Forum.

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Is this official, or....?

VOODOO 6G said:

I think the ducting comes with the kit as well. From what I've read.

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I hope you are right, but I'm planning to wait for official word before making the decision on what to do. I want to be sure I'm getting everything I need before I tear my car apart.

SchultzLT1 said:

This is the fluid I switched to.

http://www.opmustang.com/store/p90/...2016_MUSTANG_SHELBY_GT350_NON_TRACK_PACK.html

I didn't get over 172* on 100 mile drive in 63* ambient, and one time it actually even went down. I think it works, worth a try, and it would be nice to get more people testing it.

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Any worries about warranty coverage with a different fluid than Ford specs out?

My transmission got up to 135 on my drive in to work this morning. It's been unseasonably warm and it was over 40 degrees. I wonder what temperature the track pack setup would have been at? I'm interested to find out what temperature the tech pack transmission runs at when it's below freezing or below zero. Last year I didn't have the readout turned on yet.

barstowpo said:

In talking with Isaac of Ford Performance, the two kits include everything to comvert the tech trans to the track pack one.

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Thanks barstowpo - with there being some conflicting info it seems like other people are just speculating and may not have the official word yet. I'm looking forward to getting the full parts list.

Hack said:

I'm looking forward to getting the full parts list.

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You speak for many [MENTION=12069]Hack[/MENTION].

So a couple of weeks since the "soft release" of the "official" options, we still don't know WTF it includes. Nothing from SEMA? No grand announcements or write ups on the front pages of mustang6g or other forums?

Nothing productive to add, just venting.

SchultzLT1 said:

[MENTION=18362]Side_Pce[/MENTION] can you share your limp mode experience?

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[MENTION=16894]SchultzLT1[/MENTION] First and only track day of the season. 50-60 Ambient temp, Hit on the the 3rd session. 15 min sessions, 45 min break in between sessions. Course was very tight and technical. Never came out of 2nd to 3rd gear except on the straight, touching 4th then hard braking for turn 1.

By the end of the second round I got up to 258 Degrees, managed to drop into the 170's before the third but wasn't enough to escape limp. It hit limp with the temp gauge reading 278 degrees. It got so hot I could smell something burning off the trans or the exhaust pipes. Checked under the car but didn't see anything damaged.

Optimum Performance said:

M-7000-M8S Transmission Assembly 2700-2900 <List$4800.
M-7095-M8S Transmission Cooler Kit Less than $695

Basically less than $3500-4000 for a 'plug and play' complete kit.

The Cooler kit uses all the factory parts from the TP/R. These two numbers give you everything to install it in the car. The picture shows you both parts numbers ordered together will get you.

I only have pricing on the Trans (official because it is released) The Cooler parts are basically what you could buy everything from a Ford Dealer directly We have two that Sponsor the Forum.

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Me personally, if we are talking $1000 vs $3000, I'd lean towards the $3000 option. But $1000 vs $4000, I'm leaning towards the $1000 option.

$1000 being the general concensus of the cost of an external pump with cooler, lines and hardware.

Side_Pce said:

[MENTION=16894]SchultzLT1[/MENTION] First and only track day of the season. 50-60 Ambient temp, Hit on the the 3rd session. 15 min sessions, 45 min break in between sessions. Course was very tight and technical. Never came out of 2nd to 3rd gear except on the straight, touching 4th then hard braking for turn 1.

By the end of the second round I got up to 258 Degrees, managed to drop into the 170's before the third but wasn't enough to escape limp. It hit limp with the temp gauge reading 278 degrees. It got so hot I could smell something burning off the trans or the exhaust pipes. Checked under the car but didn't see anything damaged.

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[MENTION=18362]Side_Pce[/MENTION]
When it goes into Limp Mode does it give you any dash warning? Does it set an engine light/code? Any idea what the engine oil/coolant temps were reading at the same time?

These are the rough temp ranges:
24-49°C (76-120°F) (low)
50-120°C (121-248°F) (normal)
121-134°C (249-273°F) (warm)
135-193°C (275-379°F) (hot)

Hack said:

Any worries about warranty coverage with a different fluid than Ford specs out?

My transmission got up to 135 on my drive in to work this morning. It's been unseasonably warm and it was over 40 degrees. I wonder what temperature the track pack setup would have been at? I'm interested to find out what temperature the tech pack transmission runs at when it's below freezing or below zero. Last year I didn't have the readout turned on yet.

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With the warranty I can't say with 100% certainty, but I'm pretty sure that it's almost impossible to void a warranty if you're using a fluid suited for the job. They would have to prove that the BG fluid caused the trans to explode, which would be ludacris to me as if you read up on it, it's a high quality fluid.

[MENTION=22413]Optimum Performance[/MENTION] have anything to add here?

Side_Pce said:

[MENTION=16894]SchultzLT1[/MENTION] First and only track day of the season. 50-60 Ambient temp, Hit on the the 3rd session. 15 min sessions, 45 min break in between sessions. Course was very tight and technical. Never came out of 2nd to 3rd gear except on the straight, touching 4th then hard braking for turn 1.

By the end of the second round I got up to 258 Degrees, managed to drop into the 170's before the third but wasn't enough to escape limp. It hit limp with the temp gauge reading 278 degrees. It got so hot I could smell something burning off the trans or the exhaust pipes. Checked under the car but didn't see anything damaged.

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Thanks. Similar to mine. Using 2, 3, and 4 is what makes the car hot. Before my cooler, my best luck was to stay in 3rd.

lemers said:

Me personally, if we are talking $1000 vs $3000, I'd lean towards the $3000 option. But $1000 vs $4000, I'm leaning towards the $1000 option.

$1000 being the general concensus of the cost of an external pump with cooler, lines and hardware.

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For $1000 you can put together a real nice external pump system. I'd say $900-$950 al in gets you a great pump, nice lines, the whole deal.

One thing I have t seen talked about is a in line filter before the fluid hits the cooler. I'm thinking about adding one eventually.

Optimum Performance said:

[MENTION=18362]Side_Pce[/MENTION]
When it goes into Limp Mode does it give you any dash warning? Does it set an engine light/code? Any idea what the engine oil/coolant temps were reading at the same time?

These are the rough temp ranges:
24-49°C (76-120°F) (low)
50-120°C (121-248°F) (normal)
121-134°C (249-273°F) (warm)
135-193°C (275-379°F) (hot)

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Engine oil never climbed higher than 230 at the track. Usually 200 on the street. I didn't realize at first it was in limp mode because it was at the end of the session it hit. I shut the car down and parked it and the running lights wouldn't shut off, the rear camera wouldn't turn on and the electronics were not working properly. Thought I rattled the car stupid, but it sat for 10 minutes and everything started working properly.

SchultzLT1 said:

With the warranty I can't say with 100% certainty, but I'm pretty sure that it's almost impossible to void a warranty if you're using a fluid suited for the job. They would have to prove that the BG fluid caused the trans to explode, which would be ludacris to me as if you read up on it, it's a high quality fluid.

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Thanks. Similar to mine. Using 2, 3, and 4 is what makes the car hot. Before my cooler, my best luck was to stay in 3rd.



For $1000 you can put together a real nice external pump system. I'd say $900-$950 al in gets you a great pump, nice lines, the whole deal.

One thing I have t seen talked about is a in line filter before the fluid hits the cooler. I'm thinking about adding one eventually.

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With the external pump system; I'd want it to be as hassle free as possible.

A "smart pump" or "always on" without switches being my preference. It's my daily driver, so I'd want performance with out the "race car" interior.

When I hit limp mode I got a dash warning that engine power was being reduced due to engine temperature. My transmission was at about 275.

SchultzLT1 said:

With the warranty I can't say with 100% certainty, but I'm pretty sure that it's almost impossible to void a warranty if you're using a fluid suited for the job. They would have to prove that the BG fluid caused the trans to explode, which would be ludacris to me as if you read up on it, it's a high quality fluid.

[MENTION=22413]Optimum Performance[/MENTION] have anything to add here?

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This is an from the BG Fluid Guide:
"The BG Fluid Service Guide covers manual transmissions, transfer cases, transaxle and front and rear differential applications. For these applications, BG does not recommend automatic transmission fluid (ATF) and the Lifetime BG Protection Plan does not cover the use of ATF."

Warranty: Simple has to be proven to cause failure. Everytime this subject comes up with my BG Rep he laughs. His biggest accounts in Florida are OEM Dealers. In New England, Tasca, Sentry Ford Stores all use it in their Service Depts. Sentry doesn't even stock Ford Product for service use. I know this because they wanted to but BG in my Mustang when it was new and I made them order the Factory Fluids in. This is why I started looking into BG.

If you ever had a transmission failure and they sampled the fluid it would just come back as really good fluid.

ATF does not belong in a manual transmission. Ford uses it because it is cheap, LV so when cold it flows prevents hard shifting. It's rendered useless once hot, offers little shear protection, and once it gets overheated all the properties (additives) offer zero protection.

If you look at the attached spec sheet for the Factory Ford LV ATF you will see and can compare the specs. The real advantage the ATF has is viscosity at -40C/F because I'm sure all you guys overheating the transmissions will be out driving Shelby's in those tempertures without allowing the car to warm up :lol: The additive package in Syncro Shift II typically (95%) will improve both cold and hot shifting. It has been proven hundreds of times to eliminate gear nibble in the other Mustang transmissions. The Tremec shifts much better but still has issues with 1st gear in some cases so it can also imrove that.

BG Syncro Shift II, to quote the attached picture and PDF: "BG Syncro Shift®II may be effectively used in all domestic and foreign vehicles where ATF or other OEM oil is specified for use in manual transmissions, transfer cases, and transaxles. Use quantity in accordance with manufacturer’s recommendations"

When I sent a sample of new BG Syncro Shift to the lab for analysis it actually tested at 7.3@100C vs. 7.11 which is BG's average. What this means is at higher temps it gives you a slightly higher window of protection before the viscosity drops vs. temperature compared with Ford LV ATF which is only a 6. So when you overheat ATF it's viscosity drops to low levels long before BG does. SAE Testing uses 100C/212F to base it's standards so it is hard to find exact trends at 300F but basically viscosity starts dropping like a rock. If we use data from a well known Company who tested 75W-90 (Rear Axle Lube)oil for a comparison (Because I have these numbers) at 100C(212F) it's viscosity is about 15-16. At 148.9C(300F) the viscosity drops to 6-7.

The viscosity specs are only part of the equation, additive packages play a larger role today than in the past. Running a fluid designed for use in a manual transmission that has Syncro's, roller bearings, needle bearings, straight cut gears and gears sliding on shafts vs. a fluid that was designed for wet clutches and passing through very small hydraulic passages and blended for that purpose you can understand why ATF is not ideal in manuals especially with the shaft speeds and power being put into it on the GT350.

So to answer your question, NO, it will not void your warranty, if a Dealer were to try to go there, assuming they do not use BG products (you would be surprised how many do) it would get squashed fairly quickly due to an extremely close relationship Ford Service has with BG.

I can say if you have ever reached limp mode you should be changing the fluid out because it is compromised.

When Tremec launched in the aftermarket in the early 1990's it required a specific GM Syncromesh fluid. The GM spec is the one on the attached spec sheet. Tremec builds the transmission in your Shelby

Also BG is one of the few who has a rear axle lube that meets Fords Spec. (our 75W-140) which is what most of the Mustang track guys are running because it runs cooler.

SchultzLT1 said:

One thing I have t seen talked about is a in line filter before the fluid hits the cooler. I'm thinking about adding one eventually.

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I can see why you would. We all love these cars so much we want them to last. Well, maybe all of us don't, but I can say for sure I love mine.

I probably wouldn't do it since the transmission is a closed system. I suppose if the filter was properly designed for the fluid, size of lines and the external pump, it would be fine. It would probably get more out than a magnet at the bottom of the case, that's for sure!

If you decide to do it, probably the pump's manufacturer could recommend an appropriate filter.