The Down and Dirty ADM Thread

[Hack]

I realize that PP001. The vast majority of dealers are misinformed or uninformed about their own product. The two dealers I know are into performance cars, so they actually make an effort to learn about their cars. I've also seen several recent news articles that claim to have heard the same thing from "inside sources". I was just passing along what I had heard, but I never believe anything till I see it, and sometimes not even then.

My dealer told me that Ford had issues with production in 2016 that caused major delays and that they are reducing the numbers of 2017s that will be sold. I have no idea whether it's true or not, but they haven't told me anything in the past that turned out to be untrue.

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[stanglife]

My dealer told me that Ford had issues with production in 2016 that caused major delays and that they are reducing the numbers of 2017s that will be sold. I have no idea whether it's true or not, but they haven't told me anything in the past that turned out to be untrue.

Seems like it would be easier to reduce the 2016s and do a full run in 2017. The main thing that I think would prevent them from reducing 2016s is the fear that they would look like the Hellcat fiasco.

 

[Hack]

Seems like it would be easier to reduce the 2016s and do a full run in 2017. The main thing that I think would prevent them from reducing 2016s is the fear that they would look like the Hellcat fiasco.

I think dealers already had allocations for the 2016s, so those were promised out and couldn't be reduced. 2017s - Ford hasn't made any official promises, so there's no reason Ford has to produce them. This is my theory, not anything official.

 

[astropol]

Never, ever, base a financial decision on what a car salesman tells you. The majority of them are clueless liars who will tell you what ever they please to make a sale with the greatest degree of profit. They unfortunately view enthusiasts as prime targets for a major rear ending.

 

[ohtobbad]

I think dealers already had allocations for the 2016s, so those were promised out and couldn't be reduced. 2017s - Ford hasn't made any official promises, so there's no reason Ford has to produce them. This is my theory, not anything official.

My dealer told me, he has his allocations for 2016 and 17
15 total including 1 R. in each year.
How accurate that is, who knows. But he tends to tell me
what he knows and also tells me when he doesn't know.

 

[stanglife]

I think dealers already had allocations for the 2016s, so those were promised out and couldn't be reduced. 2017s - Ford hasn't made any official promises, so there's no reason Ford has to produce them. This is my theory, not anything official.

Pretty much what I was thinking...Don't want to risk ticking people off like that - I think it might be even MORE of a spectacle than the Hellcat mess, if that happened.

 

[krt22]

My dealer told me, he has his allocations for 2016 and 17
15 total including 1 R. in each year.
How accurate that is, who knows. But he tends to tell me
what he knows and also tells me when he doesn't know.

Candadian dealers are a little different given there are so few total cars and SVT dealers in general. IN the US, only one car was guaranteed for the MY16/17, so just because a dealer had 3 or 4 cars for MY16, doesn't mean they will get the same in MY17

 

[Hack]

Candadian dealers are a little different given there are so few total cars and SVT dealers in general. IN the US, only one car was guaranteed for the MY16/17, so just because a dealer had 3 or 4 cars for MY16, doesn't mean they will get the same in MY17

My dealer got one in 2016 and they thought originally they would get a 2017, but they told me they aren't getting that one anymore. Fairly large Twin Cities dealership - IIRC they are the top in the area for sales.

 

[CANTWN4LSN]

My dealer got one in 2016 and they thought originally they would get a 2017, but they told me they aren't getting that one anymore. Fairly large Twin Cities dealership - IIRC they are the top in the area for sales.

Seems odd doesn't it? Could it be they've sold their 2017 allocation? Does this mean Ford won't be making the 5000/500 for even two model years? Are these cars going to be even rarer than thought? Will ADM never go away? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[krt22]

My dealer got one in 2016 and they thought originally they would get a 2017, but they told me they aren't getting that one anymore. Fairly large Twin Cities dealership - IIRC they are the top in the area for sales.

Very odd, especially since some dealers are already taking deposits on their MY17 allocations. Did they get just a single MY16?

 

[CNFLCTD]

My dealer told me, he has his allocations for 2016 and 17
15 total including 1 R. in each year.
How accurate that is, who knows. But he tends to tell me
what he knows and also tells me when he doesn't know.

Approx. 5000 dealers in the US....5000 cars being built....likelihood of any one getting 15 is probably zero

 

[GRTWHT]

Wow! I knew this thread would stir things up, but I never thought anyone would peg the Bitterness Meter in only the third post here. :clap2:



Like everyone else around here, just reporting what's going on in my marketplace. Sorry it offends you.



There's a great idea - give up years of relationship-building. (I've gone out of state plenty of times to buy a car.) While you're at it, you may as well blame me for the fact you live on the Left Coast. :headbonk:

When the GT350 was available and being shipped to dealers, the vast majority (85-90%) of them were sent to dealers EAST of the Rocky Mountains; there were very few cars available in the WEST - 1 in Washington, 2 in Nevada, 1 in Oregon, and few more in California. I also live in the SF Bay Area were the only dealer with a car was asking $40 -50k over MSRP....AND GOT IT!! I am not going to rant about your purchase, I am happy that you were even able to get a car, even better at MSRP. But us people who live in the "Left Coast" had very few options and even to this day, are "lucky" to be able to pick up a car at a minimum of $10K over MSRP. Yes, one could buy a car from back east, but try to find one at MSRP, plus the shipping costs, and the travel costs to see and the car and sign the papers. When you factor in those costs, it is just better to pay the $10K over MSRP and buy local, if you are lucky enough to find one.

 

[DrumReaper]

Approx. 5000 dealers in the US....5000 cars being built....likelihood of any one getting 15 is probably zero

5,000 Ford dealers who paid the entry fee? Where?

It is certainly possible that the Canadian dealers are in fact getting 10-15 350's per SVT dealer.

If there is going to be a reduced production # for 2017 MY, Lord help us... This place will be on fire with ADM stories and the sky falling and a helluva lot of people coming in here and blaming Ford for being bastards for not taking their money at MSRP or below.

 

[ohtobbad]

Approx. 5000 dealers in the US....5000 cars being built....likelihood of any one getting 15 is probably zero

True in Canada there is only 35 SVT dealers.
My point was more to, the were given the same allocation
for 2017.

 

[jjw]

The realist number out there is 5000/500 per year. But those seem to be targets and not firm numbers, similar to how they produced GT500s.

Yup, I'd say this is pretty accurate.

They may go over the 500 R's, but not by much. I would think 600 R's/yr would be absolute max.

I was told by the project head that when it came to the non R's there would be "plenty to go around". What does that tell you? If people keep trying to buy them, they will keep building them up until a certain point. Whether that is more per year or a longer run is unclear.

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