GT350 1/4 mile

[5.0 435]

12.3 SS auto
12.5 SS manual

Magazines have reached and beaten these, just not all the magazines.

You said they did not reach the numbers posted by GM , but they have. They had a base line to go by.

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[5.0 435]

We have two threads going about basically the same thing.

ET calc puts a 3900lb car w/475 at @11.80

Yep

 

[Nataphen]

You said they did not reach the numbers posted by GM , but they have. They had a base line to go by.

I didn't say that.

 

[Cashcow]

Not sure what you are so worried about. GM released performance numbers for the Camaro, but no mag has achieved them yet. Doesn't matter what GM said in the end, because everyone still looks to the test data from independent testing.

IMO the lack of "numbers" from Ford isn't an issue.

-T

Mags have already beaten the numbers given by GM.

 

[mustang_guy]

R is .2 and 2MPH faster than the Z28, non R is .1 slower with same MPH. I don't see the issue. That's the class that the 350 is competing with, so slower in a straight line from a dig, faster around a road course. I'm not worried. I'm sure that improving the launch will show some better times.

You don't see the issue? You must not be an avid drag racer. Ive said it multiple times. Its traps are not what it should be nor are the ET. A car of its power and gears does better.

We have two threads going about basically the same thing.

ET calc puts a 3900lb car w/475 at @11.80

stop that. the Shelby gt350 isn't 3900lbs and 475 is faster then 11.80. Youre so high

Yep

nope...unless you're talking about the two thread thing.

 

[Erik427]

12.1 GT350R/12.4 GT350! Base Camaro wins!

 

[SILVER GT]

Not sure what you are so worried about. GM released performance numbers for the Camaro, but no mag has achieved them yet. Doesn't matter what GM said in the end, because everyone still looks to the test data from independent testing.

IMO the lack of "numbers" from Ford isn't an issue.

-T

Say what? Actually magazines have matched and beat them.

GM said 4.0 and 12.3 for the auto.
Car and Driver got 3.9 and 12.3...

GM said 4.3 and 12.5 for the manual.
Motor Trend got 4.0 and 12.4...
Road and Track got 4.2 and 12.5...

 

[krt22]

Who cares about the damn camaro??

 

[Sasuketr]

I would like to see a discussion on Torque vs Horsepower after these numbers. Looks like Torque is the lead in acceleration department not Horsepower. There should be always a balance in Tq and Hp but the gap of 100 between the tq and hp seems the main factor here. More aggressive gearing and auto trans would help the gt350 but the fun factor would go out of the window.

 

[200MPHCOBRA]

I would like to see a discussion on Torque vs Horsepower after these numbers. Looks like Torque is the lead in acceleration department not Horsepower. There should be always a balance in Tq and Hp but the gap of 100 between the tq and hp seems the main factor here. More aggressive gearing and auto trans would help the gt350 but the fun factor would go out of the window.

Horsepower is just rate of torque delivery, they both are required to move a mass. You can have infinite torque at 0 rpm, that will break a good wrench. Taken to an extreme, I'd rather have a 2 stroke dirt bike than a train for a 1/4 mile, if I'm going 100 miles I'd prefer the train:cheers:
The camaro is stout, but it won't hang with a GT350 until it gets more umph. I thinks there is a couple of more tenths in the 350.

 

[Trackaholic]

Say what? Actually magazines have matched and beat them.

GM said 4.0 and 12.3 for the auto.
Car and Driver got 3.9 and 12.3...

GM said 4.3 and 12.5 for the manual.
Motor Trend got 4.0 and 12.4...
Road and Track got 4.2 and 12.5...

Fair enough. Better ignore the magazine times then, since apparently only the MFR times matter.

I'm being facetious, but hopefully the point is clear: to a fan, the most "official" time is the fastest ever achieved. To a detractor, the most official time is the slowest (or maybe the average). Whether or not the MFR released a time doesn't make much of a difference once instrumented, third-party tests are complete. For the GT350 it's just a matter of waiting for the numbers to be released.

-T

 

[5.0 435]

Then what happens when some mags get a set of drag slicks and runs a high 10 ?

 

[Hack]

I would like to see a discussion on Torque vs Horsepower after these numbers. Looks like Torque is the lead in acceleration department not Horsepower. There should be always a balance in Tq and Hp but the gap of 100 between the tq and hp seems the main factor here. More aggressive gearing and auto trans would help the gt350 but the fun factor would go out of the window.

Torque matters, but it's torque at the wheels that accelerates a car, not torque at the engine. Horsepower helps you to understand the potential acceleration of a vehicle - if that vehicle is geared in such a way as to maximize acceleration. Engine torque is somewhat arbitrary to acceleration in that knowing engine torque is not enough information to determine how fast a car will accelerate.

 

[derpington]

Torque matters, but it's torque at the wheels that accelerates a car, not torque at the engine. Horsepower helps you to understand the potential acceleration of a vehicle - if that vehicle is geared in such a way as to maximize acceleration. Engine torque is somewhat arbitrary to acceleration in that knowing engine torque is not enough information to determine how fast a car will accelerate.

No, torque at the wheels does not accelerate a car. Torque does not accelerate a car, period. This isn't what it is a measure of. Horsepower enables a car to accelerate, as it is a measure of power, not force.

Get a torque wrench. Tighten a nut to 100 ft/lbs of torque and maintain this pressure. You're applying more force to the nut than a sport bike's engine is outputting, but you're not accelerating at all.

 

[cosmo]

No, torque at the wheels does not accelerate a car. Torque does not accelerate a car, period. This isn't what it is a measure of. Horsepower enables a car to accelerate, as it is a measure of power, not force.

Get a torque wrench. Tighten a nut to 100 ft/lbs of torque and maintain this pressure. You're applying more force to the nut than a sport bike's engine is outputting, but you're not accelerating at all.

F=ma

A=F/m

Yes, it is force which dictates acceleration moreso than horespower. You can have diesel trucks with lower HP but gobs or torque outrun higher horsepower vehicles which have low torque. It's the combination of torque curves, RPM limits, and gearing which dictate strip times. A 5000 HP rocket engine with 500 ft/lbs of torque will get beat by a 1500 HP 1500 ft/lb motor assuming the same gearing.

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