MSRP GT350

[bretlasalle]

Grease ball stuff for sure. They would be the guys who will offer you 30 grand for it on a trade in a few years. No wonder people despise car dealers. You should have replied with an offer of 30 grand under sticker!

Not the case, I've personally purchased 6 cars for myself and my fiance from Fairfield Ford in the last two and a half years. I've also given them countless referrals. Bryan Rice and Dustin are absolute saints. A couple of weekends ago they paid us way more than KBB for my fiance's moms PTCruiser (that also needed work) and got her in a CMAX for a very fair price. I purchased a commuter '97 4Runner for $3750 in 2013. Racked up $30k more miles on it and decided to get out of it for another F150. Bryan and Dustin offered me the $3750 for it and then ran a carfax. Turns out, the car had been in multiple accidents had 8 previous owners and an odometer rollback claim. Dustin looked me in the eye, shook my hand and told me to always run a carfax - he then handed me the $3750 check that we agreed on. They sold me my 2013 Boss 302 for $2500 under sticker. They valued my boss over $40k if I wanted to trade it in on the Shelby (which I don't). The owner had the exact F150 Limited I wanted and let me buy it from him, which meant that he lost the payback from Ford on the car. I can state time after time that Ford Fairfield has bent over backwards to help us out. Of course, we are also buying expensive cars from them - but still. I received the same phone call yesterday from Bryan letting me know that they had an allocation for someone to order but already had a few people with interest at the $30k mark up. Trust me, when you have the Blackhawk car museum people, bay area buyers - sub $100k cars go fast. I'm not a fan of paying mark ups, but there is a market for this car in the area and I'm sure someone will pay the $30k to be one of the first! I appreciate the hate on ADMs, I really do - but Ford Fairfield shouldn't be diminished they are a huge dealer and do things the right way.

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[Cruzinaround]

I think the R is a huge deal - just because it has the first carbon fiber wheels on a production car. I like the rear seat delete and some other things, but the CF wheels are the big deal for that car... well and notoriety might be a big deal to many buyers. I know if I had the right money and contacts I would buy one.

However I do agree that GT350 is a better choice for me.. and probably many others. I want a daily driver and I don't think the R makes sense for me as a daily driver.

With the markups on the"R" hovering in the 30k range. It is still a better deal to Buy a GT350 tech or track pack and then buy those Carbon bits separately.

Nets you more car for the same or less than what many here will pay for their "R"'s.

Then you can delete those back seats, the Resonators, etc etc and have them available to put back on when you want to.

Aside from the wheels...the "R" literally gets you less car for more money.

Think about it.

 

[bretlasalle]

With the markups on the"R" hovering in the 30k range. It is still a better deal to Buy a GT350 tech or track pack and then buy those Carbon bits separately.

Nets you more car for the same or less than what many here will pay for their "R"'s.

Then you can delete those back seats, the Resonators, etc etc and have them available to put back on when you want to.

Aside from the wheels...the "R" literally gets you less car for more money.

Think about it.

You are right, having said that. Everybody's first question to me is "Did you get the R!???". I think the R will be a great resale opportunity down the road - but the ADM certainly makes you think twice!

 

[Cruzinaround]

You are right, having said that. Everybody's first question to me is "Did you get the R!???". I think the R will be a great resale opportunity down the road - but the ADM certainly makes you think twice!

If you buy an "R" with an ADM on it then you've already got a devalued purchase on your hands. Assuming you can get it flipped for 30k over MSRP you buy it at.. You would only break even on that deal. You would have to immediately garage it and not drive it if you want to retain it's Suggested value...You would need to keep it until it's a classic until you can even bite into that ADM. It would have to be only a few remaining examples of the car due to everyone else blowing heirs up to begin to make back money on it. ADM on that car is a losing proposition no matter how you weigh it.

Therefore anyone who signs on the dotted line for either variant of the car with an ADM on it already has a devalued car before it even arrives on the lot.

Again...not a FORD thing. They have every intention of selling it for MSRP or better.

You can only thank the dealerships for your ADM purchase today. And then regret it tomorrow.

 

[cjgt350]

Therefore anyone who signs on the dotted line for either variant of the car with an ADM on it already has a devalued car before it even arrives on the lot.

Maybe you need to believe that to sleep better at night but your

A few things to think about when it comes the R in future value IF it is only a two year build. I for one believe we are looking at a two year build. Some say Ford wouldn't do all this R&D for a two year build. I point you to the 2005-2006 Ford GT.

• It is the only variant where you can get the Recaro seats and Electronic pkg together.

• To replicate a R you would need the wheels, springs, swaybars, shock tuning, front spoiler, rear spoiler, rear aluminum bumper beam, switches for exhaust, delete resonators. Then depending on the GT350 tech or track pkg install coolers, Recaros, and the shock tower brace.

• I would contend the GT350R will retain a higher value due to the high demand and performance leap. Look how well the Boss 302 LS has retained its value selling at MSRP today after three years. While we all agree the performance leap of the GT350R vs the GT 5.0 is far greater than the Boss 302LS vs the GT 5.0 of the time.

• Most all the R's will be sold with ADM. Now where the average ADM resides time will tell. Those that have ordered one at MSRP count your blessings and pray the dealer doesn't change their mind at the eleventh hour. If the ADM is 10K or less the R is certainly worth it IMO.

 

[Agentofchaos]

What's the latest that ford will let you change the color on your car? Wife now wants it black with blue strip instead of the Magnetic with blue.They didn't send it in till about 2weeks ago.I figured that almost up until the day they start building it they will let you change..Probably will not get the car till November so surely they will let you change it.

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

Maybe you need to believe that to sleep better at night but your

A few things to think about when it comes the R in future value IF it is only a two year build. I for one believe we are looking at a two year build. Some say Ford wouldn't do all this R&D for a two year build. I point you to the 2005-2006 Ford GT.

• It is the only variant where you can get the Recaro seats and Electronic pkg together.

• To replicate a R you would need the wheels, springs, swaybars, shock tuning, front spoiler, rear spoiler, rear aluminum bumper beam, switches for exhaust, delete resonators. Then depending on the GT350 tech or track pkg install coolers, Recaros, and the shock tower brace.

• I would contend the GT350R will retain a higher value due to the high demand and performance leap. Look how well the Boss 302 LS has retained its value selling at MSRP today after three years. While we all agree the performance leap of the GT350R vs the GT 5.0 is far greater than the Boss 302LS vs the GT 5.0 of the time.

• Most all the R's will be sold with ADM. Now where the average ADM resides time will tell. Those that have ordered one at MSRP count your blessings and pray the dealer doesn't change their mind at the eleventh hour. If the ADM is 10K or less the R is certainly worth it IMO.

You are right on the MONEY..totally agree......One thing I would like to add.....if everyone paid 25K ADM....then the value really starts there....again look at used GT3 911's people paid an ADM before and still paying ADM's on USED ones....why? because you cant get them...i.e. not that many...

 

[Cruzinaround]

Maybe you need to believe that to sleep better at night but your

A few things to think about when it comes the R in future value IF it is only a two year build. I for one believe we are looking at a two year build. Some say Ford wouldn't do all this R&D for a two year build. I point you to the 2005-2006 Ford GT.

• It is the only variant where you can get the Recaro seats and Electronic pkg together.

• To replicate a R you would need the wheels, springs, swaybars, shock tuning, front spoiler, rear spoiler, rear aluminum bumper beam, switches for exhaust, delete resonators. Then depending on the GT350 tech or track pkg install coolers, Recaros, and the shock tower brace.

• I would contend the GT350R will retain a higher value due to the high demand and performance leap. Look how well the Boss 302 LS has retained its value selling at MSRP today after three years. While we all agree the performance leap of the GT350R vs the GT 5.0 is far greater than the Boss 302LS vs the GT 5.0 of the time.

• Most all the R's will be sold with ADM. Now where the average ADM resides time will tell. Those that have ordered one at MSRP count your blessings and pray the dealer doesn't change their mind at the eleventh hour. If the ADM is 10K or less the R is certainly worth it IMO.

I get what you're saying... to a point you're right, but when you add in a dose of reality...


The Ford GT was a revival of a CLASSIC in its form and it was intended as a collector vehicle. According to FORBES It's currently the ONLY Modern Day Ford that has actually retained any value if not increased over the original MSRP. AGAIn that's if you were lucky to not buy it with 150k ADM on it to begin with...And if you did...then you are only now getting to a point where you can at least break even on that mistake. If you got a fair deal on it then you've only devalued the investment by the amount of driving time you put on it. If it were mine... I would have held out for MSRP or better and actually drove it instead of garaging it. Then the return on my investment would be the joy of actually using it and owning it and If I sell it then I would still make more than the MSRP instead of trying to make up the cost of the ADM.

As for the "R"

BTW Recaro Seats are an aftermarket thing... If you want them with an "R" badge or a "GT350" badge on them I can list a few custom embroidering places that will make a fine set of recaros look like those you're talking about. Probably for far less money, too.

To replicate an R is another question. In terms of the look then yes what you say applies. However All of it can still be purchased after the fact for performance...although springs and swaybars, are not necessarily a visible cosmetic change they are hidden... But again if you plan on being a racecar driver that owns that racecar...then I get your point... Although you might just be that one rare individual that actually uses the car as it was intended. The rest are simply in it for the wow factor and bragging. Still not worth that ADM to have it. And of course the differences you're mentioning make for a nice ownership mod which is all going to be available in the aftermarket for far less than OEM prices even the Wheels .... keeping in mind they are made 3rd party aftermarket for FORD not by FORD via Carbon Revolution. And while you're at it.... do you really want to take those on the road everyday? Those are a really expensive gamble to put in the grind of what is on many roads we travel. For a track where the tarmac is prepped and the surface is not potted... different story.

The front spoiler and rear spoiler can be also be had AfterMarket, in fact they are also made aftermarket as 3rd party add-ons for FORD probably by Seibon, not by FORD.

Deleted resonators....come on...how many of us can't remove these ourselves???

Then depending on the GT350 tech or track pkg with installed coolers, Recaros, and the shock tower brace.....again all things we can add on ourselves if that's what we really want.

As for the shock tuning.... it's a part of the programming... so an aftermarket tune should remedy this. It's NOT a different set of Magneride shocks installed on the "R". As per the FORD supplement we all read...Just a tune adjustment for the minimally lower height springs with a significantly higher load rating. So with that tune and springs you also get on the "R" a stiffer ride, which for daily driving purposes...might not be so pleasant after a while. But as a boy racer .... yea probably a benefit.

However I'm willing to bet in the hands of a novice driver like many of us....either model won't make much of a difference in stock form around a track. Now if you're a pro....then that's a different story. I'm not a pro, and I'm willing to admit it. Therefore all the practicality of an "R" for my few track day racing needs just went out the window.

switches for exhaust, umm all models have this...They all also have the same exact 5.2 liter VooDoo FPC motor.

rear aluminum bumper beam. Ummm not really a visual mod, But again if you're going to be a boy racer...then I guess just get it on the track pack. Or add it on later to the Tech pack. But anticipating someone rear ending you. Is not something you shoudl ever worry about ...unless you're a real race car driver.

In fact what you DO get with an "R" is No A/C, No Radio, No soundproofing (so get ready to hear everything) No Resonators, No back seats, No Sync, No rear camera, No amenities. And you pay more for it. That's a lot of No's...

Oh wait if you want those amenities added back in you pay still more for it.


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Then add the ADM over the top.... Still a losing proposition.

No offense...I get the purpose of the "R". But, logically speaking....I won't pay more for what amounts to less. Or to remove many things I can remove myself, or to remove things that make daily driving it a more enjoyable experience.

That's not an insult to you or anyone. It's simply stating the obvious. It's only a value as a collectible to those of us who are not racecar drivers and only if you get it for MSRP. Otherwise with ADM, it is what it is ..... a very big dealer devalued pre-depreciated asset before you even start it up. And that's the sad part.

 

[cjgt350]

Just simply pointing out the differences in the R. Some are certainly easy to replicate. I thought the switches were only in the R for the exhaust while the others were through the steering wheel selection through the vehicle info system? To be honest I didn't follow where that discussion ended up.

Your choice is made which is certainly a personal choice. I will say you are in the extreme minority of not seeing the value in the R.

 

[krt22]

Oh look, another long winded ADM debate involving Cruizer lol

 

[FTD]

If I dropped a huge ADM on a car I'd try to justify it as well. Too bad I have sense. Cars are not investments.

 

[cjgt350]

If I dropped a huge ADM on a car I'd try to justify it as well. Too bad I have sense. Cars are not investments.

Never said they were an investment. And I didn't drop a huge ADM so leave my posts out of it.

 

[krt22]

Simma down gents!

 

[Steve68]

So much angst in the GT350 community. :ford:

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[vdavie]

So true. New cars are not. I did buy the Ford GT at MSRP and think it was 165k. A year later i sold it for 190 or 195k. 5000 units is not a small amount of cars. I think the R will hold up much better than the base model. As far as over MSRP well i cant point fingers as i have done it on a Porsche and lost a lot of money and i wont be doing that again.
Vince

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