MSRP GT350

[cjgt350]

Sorry, hit a nerve. Not reading the post, stating something that a forum member never stated or making an assumption about another members car deal gets me. You have to :readthethread:

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[Cruzinaround]

Just simply pointing out the differences in the R. Some are certainly easy to replicate. I thought the switches were only in the R for the exhaust while the others were through the steering wheel selection through the vehicle info system? To be honest I didn't follow where that discussion ended up.

Your choice is made which is certainly a personal choice. I will say you are in the extreme minority of not seeing the value in the R.

I'm only in the minority on this thread apparently . Educated consumers weigh the amenities and the practicality between models and will mostly determine that a non "R" is the wisest choice and the better value overall.

There are already polls here on mustang6 that reflect the same thinking.

Still....


I'd consider a variation of a GT350 that was leaning towards the "R" if I could pick and choose more on what to add and what to delete.

As is our choices are limited. And with ADM's they are also just cost prohibitive from a logical perspective or from even a more subjective collector's perspective.


An investment this is not.....

 

[fordpod]

This thread does expose some misconceptions that are rampant among those in the enthusiast community who are either new or just never cared to follow pricing trends as they have unfolded with preceding Shelby and SVT iterations. There have been enough of every SVT offering to satisfy willing and able buyers.

The Ford GT is a totally different animal than a Mustang and is not comparable in any way. Do keep in mind that Ford GT production was cut short of its original build estimates by around 360 units short of the initial 4500 sales target. Nobody turned away on that one either.

 

[krt22]

I'm only in the minority on this thread apparently . Educated consumers weigh the amenities and the practicality between models and will mostly determine that a non "R" is the wisest choice and the better value overall.

Are you insinuating that those who choose the R model are uneducated?

 

[cjgt350]

This thread does expose some misconceptions that are rampant among those in the enthusiast community who are either new or just never cared to follow pricing trends as they have unfolded with preceding Shelby and SVT iterations. There have been enough of every SVT offering to satisfy willing and able buyers.

The Ford GT is a totally different animal than a Mustang and is not comparable in any way. Do keep in mind that Ford GT production was cut short of its original build estimates by around 360 units short of the initial 4500 sales target. Nobody turned away on that one either.

Yes, GT350's will be available and a few R's with crazy ADM's ordered by dealers will find themselves on the showroom floor.

Did I compare it? No. Now did I say that Ford has an example of spending wads of cash in R&D for a two year build....yes.

People stop making leaps and assumptions. It is really annoying.

 

[ohtobbad]

99.8% of all cars are a bad investment, if you are buying for that reason,
regardless of what it is, your making the wrong decision. easier ways to make money.
I am buying the car, because I am a car guy, a Mustang guy and I want it.
My heavily modded 08GT is as fast and handles better than my brothers
08GT500, but it is not worth as much and never will be. So yes you can mod any car to make it do what a GT 350 R can do, but it will never have or hold that value.
Arguing what people pay is like arguing what colour someone chooses, pointless.

Each person has X amount of disposable income to spend as they see fit, someone telling them how to spend it or how much is to much is insane.
For what its worth, I paid MSRP. who cares. I can't afford a GT3 or a McLaren P1 for that matter, but some people can. Really do what works for you and let others do what suits them. Oh and that green shirt your wearing sucks big time, LMAO.

 

[Brutane]

I agree with Cruz. I don't want or need a R. My car might see the track once or twice as long as I own it. I just don't know people who can spend 80 grand on a car and then go hoon the hell out of it just for fun. This will by a once in a while driver for most. Nothing against the R. It looks out of this world I'm sure I will make cosmetic changes to make mine look like a R. But for most people 99% the non-R is the better buy.

 

[Bossing]

I agree with Cruz. I don't want or need a R. My car might see the track once or twice as long as I own it. I just don't know people who can spend 80 grand on a car and then go hoon the hell out of it just for fun. This will by a once in a while driver for most. Nothing against the R. It looks out of this world I'm sure I will make cosmetic changes to make mine look like a R. But for most people 99% the non-R is the better buy.

Really? I beg to differ. I have an 80k Z06 and I don't hoon irresponsibly on public roads but I definitely regularly track mine... for fun! Something wrong with that? And I didn't buy my car just to preserve it hibernating in the garage or to merely park & show off at car shows, etc. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

There are owners who use performance cars for what it's meant to be. 9/10 times, owners don't even push their cars to its potential or limit. Anyway, that's my 2 open-minded cents. ;)

 

[Brutane]

Really? I beg to differ. I have an 80k Z06 and I don't hoon irresponsibly on public roads but I definitely regularly track mine... for fun! Something wrong with that? And I didn't buy my car just to preserve it hibernating in the garage or to merely park & show off at car shows, etc. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

There are owners who use performance cars for what it's meant to be. 9/10 times, owners don't even push their cars to its potential or limit. Anyway, that's my 2 open-minded cents. ;)

You are one of the lucky few and that's awesome. There just aren't many I know. I take my cars to the strip once or twice a year I see guys there with every make and model and I don't see too many 80,000 and up cars. yeah you see a few and I'll take mine also. To be honest I'm buying the car cause it's badass and I wanted one I don't even know where the nearest road course is. I'm betting there is a lot more like me than you. How many boss 302 and GT 500 can you find with low miles. Tons. Catch my drift

 

[krt22]

You are one of the lucky few and that's awesome. There just aren't many I know. I take my cars to the strip once or twice a year I see guys there with every make and model and I don't see too many 80,000 and up cars. yeah you see a few and I'll take mine also. To be honest I'm buying the car cause it's badass and I wanted one I don't even know where the nearest road course is. I'm betting there is a lot more like me than you. How many boss 302 and GT 500 can you find with low miles. Tons. Catch my drift

you should see a track day on the west coast, lots of folks will flog on these

 

[Cruzinaround]

Are you insinuating that those who choose the R model are uneducated?

No. But, I do think there is more passion and fantasy fulfillment driving the decision rather than logic and homework.

Here's my take...I am saying that if you choose either model and pay an ADM you're taking a big loss long term and gambling that your car will be worth more than what you initially pay for it in your lifetime. And I'm saying that ain't gonna happen. You might be long dead and buried before you do for this car.

And

If you're buying an "R" as a purpose built track day car because you're suddenly Paul Newman and want to go racing every weekend.... Then maybe you're making a good choice. But not for an ADM.

If you're looking for a daily driver or an alternative to more traditional middle income bracket vehicles like a BMW...then an "R" is simply overkill or in reality less of a real daily purpose car for a lot more money. For more practical people, like my spouse who roots me back to the real world they just don't see the value there. They see the loss and the compromise for a want over a need(yes having a car comparable to a european Performance coupe is actually a need for people who work hard like most middle income bracket Americans). And with ADM...now they see a mid 60k car priced into a league of better cars for 80k.

If you think that logic is wrong...then you are in fact in the minority.

There are good matches out there for an "R". Many of us just think we are. But that's also a good thing. Because maybe we'll see those same "R"'s back on the Market when the owners are too old to deal with the clutch or the ride or the cabin noise or the fact that they don't really know what they're doing and just haven't got what it takes to really impress anyone with it on a track with the exception of themselves when they get in it and rev the motor while playing with the active exhaust for their friends and onlookers....that gets tired pretty quick too.

Very few of us are gonna be driving it up the rear of a Corvette or Porshes on Track day...because we're not race car drivers. In fact odds are most of those who do buy it...will be waxing it every weekend then driving it through main street with the windows down to hear all the peeps complimenting your ride. Here's a wake up call.....That gets tired pretty quickly, too.

If you are one of the rare few who do race and take it seriously, and train and take lessons, then this is an investment in what makes you happy. And you are also in the minority.

I can respect all of you for getting what you want and what makes you happy. But, I can also Shake my head at those who paid through the nose just to have it...to say I have it because I could afford it. Really? Even wealthy people feel the hurt when they've been raked over the coals. At least the ones who earned that wealth do.

Try putting 10, 20 or 30k or more in a latrine and walk away. Its really the same as paying an ADM. Hate on me if you want....but if you think about it...That's what it amounts to... And well I just feel bad for those who embrace it. You're all nice people...but there are better things to throw your money away for.

 

[Brutane]

you should see a track day on the west coast, lots of folks will flog on these

Hahahahah. I'd love to see that. It would be impressive.

 

[krt22]

Cruzin, with all due respect, you don't know what the hell you are talking about

There is a big difference between HPDEs/Time Trials and full blown wheel to wheel racing. And you most certainly don't need to be a licensed wheel to wheel racer to enjoy and exploit either car (base or an R), and if you are a full blown wheel to wheel racer, you wont be buying an R either way, unless it was purely for street/HPDE/TT use. You buy race cars to race and im sure ford will have the GT350R-C on sale to anyone who wants to shell out the 250k+...just like the people who buy cup cars over the latest 911

And all the asinine assumptions about what others will or will not do with their cars, seriously, who gives a shit. It's their money, their car, they can do however they please. It's not your money, so give it a rest. If someone really wants the R for no other reason than saying I have the R, more power to him. ADM or no ADM, its a bargain of a car if you compare it to everything else out there. Just because you would purchase other cars, doesn't make it right, more logical, or a financially sound decision. Its just a personal decision you might make, nothing more than that. No one on here gives two shits what you do or do not buy

 

[PP0001]

Oh look, another long winded ADM debate involving Cruizer lol

With all due respect but what a waste of your time and effort responding to such meaningless commentary!

It is interesting how certain individuals on this forum continue to beat an already dead horse and at the same time constantly preach to many of us as to how we are completely uneducated individuals who have absolutely no idea how to properly spend our disposable income?

It's a small wonder that you and I and many others of us on this forum have really made it this far based on how many bad decisions that we have made up to this point?

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[Cruzinaround]

Cruzin, with all due respect, you don't know what the hell you are talking about

There is a big difference between HPDEs/Time Trials and full blown wheel to wheel racing. And you most certainly don't need to be a licensed wheel to wheel racer to enjoy and exploit either car (base or an R), and if you are a full blown wheel to wheel racer, you wont be buying an R either way, unless it was purely for street/HPDE/TT use. You buy race cars to race and im sure ford will have the GT350R-C on sale to anyone who wants to shell out the 250k+...just like the people who buy cup cars over the latest 911

And all the asinine assumptions about what others will or will not do with their cars, seriously, who gives a shit. It's their money, their car, they can do however they please. It's not your money, so give it a rest. If someone really wants the R for no other reason than saying I have the R, more power to him. ADM or no ADM, its a bargain of a car if you compare it to everything else out there. Just because you would purchase other cars, doesn't make it right, more logical, or a financially sound decision. Its just a personal decision you might make, nothing more than that. No one on here gives two shits what you do or do not buy

You're qualifying people who are professional now and trying to make sense from it. In the short of it.

You're fantasizing. And that's okay. If in your world everyone is a racer... then enjoy your world, the rest of us.... Will enjoy our money that we didn't spend on those ADM's. Life's too short to argue with people about how they spend their money, but if you're gonna brag about it you might as well be ready to accept you're a little...you know.

I agree if they (or you) want the "R" more power to them. If they want to say I paid over 30k to get it... Well.. Sorry but, they might as well be sitting right next to you and throwing that money in the same latrine. I really don't give a care in the world what they(or you) do with their money. If that what makes them happy...Kudos.

I can appreciate the car and still look down at the owner if they're going to raise their hand in public and announce "Yes, I threw my money away". Because that's just stupid. Sorry. It just is.

You're not raising your hand right? I mean, I know you would prefer to not give away your money for nothing. You're very intelligent and from most of your posts some people would actually see that you are.....

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