STI vs GT handling

[lisandra]

HANDLING wise, around a track an STI is a very difficult thing to beat. HAAAANNDLING WISE.

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[mustang_guy]

Yeah, I think I saw a pic on NASIOC or IWSTI of that WRX's FA20DIT's valves. An OCC would help, but there's the issue of installing one, making sure it remains installed and the hoses don't pop off, cleaning it every now and then, etc. I think that if manufacturers want to keep DI around in the future, they will need a way to combine the two like Toyota did:




Anyway, my comment was in reference to the ancient EJ257 which busts its ringlands and gets horrible fuel economy. I'd take an updated FA-based DI turbo engine over the EJ257 any day.

Hopefully Toyotas design works well. Ive had an 04 sti that had 120k on it when I sold it, no issues. I had an 06 sti that ran high 10s stock motor for 120, owner still is on the original motor, hes got around 190k on it. No rindlands. I have zero issues on the 12 I had either. My current 07 with 120k no issues. On 93 I get around 420 out of a tank. e85 I get around 330s. What ive found is more people blow up using OTS cobb tunes and their method to modding seems to be an issue. people follow the nasioc recipe for modding, I never did. It also seems to be a quality of tune issue as well. Ive tried to notice what tuners usually are tuning the motors when it goes. There is only a handful of good Subaru tuners, the rest are mediocre in my opinion.

 

[Lowrider]

between a 2015 GT (w/ or w/o) PP vs a 2015 sti, which car does better on a track and handles better. Also which one stops better.

track, lateral g, braking, slalom, etc...

and would a ecoboost PP beat out the sti as well in the same areas.

not to concerned about power levels bc we all know those already. all stock for stock cars. I like turn cars better than straight line cars.

I had 2015 STi 10 months before trading it in for the GT/pp

Track:

According to Motor Trend's Randy, the GT was faster at the Willow Springs track.

Lateral G:

Many variables come into play (tires and size)...but both have equally the same G's

Braking:

The GT has way better braking and brake pedal feel.

Slalom:

The STi will be more nimble and AWD is a plus.

I traded in the STi for reliability issues down the road after warranty and I wanted something different.. Been there done that with Subarus (Rebuilt motor 04Sti, 15 Sti,)...love them but variety is a spice of life...

Watch the motor trend STi and GT reviews and see what the pros and cons from each... take rides in both.

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[GNS]

Hopefully Toyotas design works well. Ive had an 04 sti that had 120k on it when I sold it, no issues. I had an 06 sti that ran high 10s stock motor for 120, owner still is on the original motor, hes got around 190k on it. No rindlands. I have zero issues on the 12 I had either. My current 07 with 120k no issues. On 93 I get around 420 out of a tank. e85 I get around 330s. What ive found is more people blow up using OTS cobb tunes and their method to modding seems to be an issue. people follow the nasioc recipe for modding, I never did. It also seems to be a quality of tune issue as well. Ive tried to notice what tuners usually are tuning the motors when it goes. There is only a handful of good Subaru tuners, the rest are mediocre in my opinion.

Would you trust the Coyote to be super robust and reliable, based on your years of experience as a mechanic? I'm leery about turbo engines now, ever since my turbo started smoking on my speed 3, I would prefer an engine that I know I can beat the literal hell out of and it would laugh at my every attempt to break it - for years.

 

[mustang_guy]

Would you trust the Coyote to be super robust and reliable, based on your years of experience as a mechanic? I'm leery about turbo engines now, ever since my turbo started smoking on my speed 3, I would prefer an engine that I know I can beat the literal hell out of and it would laugh at my every attempt to break it - for years.

absolutely. Ive trusted every mustang motor ive owned. Ive had 4 Stangs as well. Fords gt and cobra motors are tanks. Some have lower power ceilings on what they can make before they could blow. If its kept in the safe area you should never see any serious issues. Just regular maintenance. But ive neve had issues with any cobra ive owned. Hell even their 6 cylinder mustangs take beatings. I dont think you have a damn thing to worry about. All auto manufacturers have motors that die randomly. Its expected. Toyota even has it happen on ocassion. Mustangs are not exempt from that but its fairly uncommon. I still see tons of v6 and gt stangs on the road. They have always been reliable motors from what ive experienced and witnessed on forums.

 

[madsedan]

I cross shopped a new WRX/STi when I bought the GT/PP last week. Lots of good comments here in regards to handling and speed but for me the Mustang was simply more enjoyable and fun to drive hard.

I kind of scared the salesman on both test drives but I wanted to see how bad the front end push was on the WRX and what the Mustang was like over rough road in turns under throttle.

I have never owned a Mustang and have been a longtime European car guy, almost all of them rear wheel drive.

The WRX was quick and felt great in a squirt around at lower speeds kind of way but under 3/4 throttle I didn't care for the way it felt in turns. Felt like it didn't matter what I did with the throttle, I just couldn't induce any kind of oversteer unless I unsettled the back end with braking entering the turn and a quick stab at the gas.

The Mustang was a huge pleasant surprise for me on the test drive. I really did not expect it to handle as well as it did just based on past Mustangs even though I knew it had IRS. I thought any bumps mid-turn under throttle would be nerve racking and snap oversteer would be an issue at the track but that simply was not the case at all. IT felt very familiar, allot like a slightly number version of an E36 M3.

 

[mustang_guy]

I cross shopped a new WRX/STi when I bought the GT/PP last week. Lots of good comments here in regards to handling and speed but for me the Mustang was simply more enjoyable and fun to drive hard.

I kind of scared the salesman on both test drives but I wanted to see how bad the front end push was on the WRX and what the Mustang was like over rough road in turns under throttle.

I have never owned a Mustang and have been a longtime European car guy, almost all of them rear wheel drive.

The WRX was quick and felt great in a squirt around at lower speeds kind of way but under 3/4 throttle I didn't care for the way it felt in turns. Felt like it didn't matter what I did with the throttle, I just couldn't induce any kind of oversteer unless I unsettled the back end with braking entering the turn and a quick stab at the gas.

The Mustang was a huge pleasant surprise for me on the test drive. I really did not expect it to handle as well as it did just based on past Mustangs even though I knew it had IRS. I thought any bumps mid-turn under throttle would be nerve racking and snap oversteer would be an issue at the track but that simply was not the case at all. IT felt very familiar, allot like a slightly number version of an E36 M3.

You kept saying wrx. Was it an sti or just a wrx? A rather large difference between the two. Both understeer, one just a nice bit more then the other.

 

[madsedan]

As is the case with RWD sports cars, the car responds way more dynamically and improves lap times more substantially as the driver improves. A good driver on the track uses the throttle to steer allot. The only time this works well on an AWD car is when the car has some type of quattro type layout with electronics controlling wheel activity to replicate the way a RWD car would handle that particular situation.

3,200# cars with same geometry, motor, etc with the only difference being AWD vs RWD the RWD car will always be faster around the track in the hands of a good driver.

 

[madsedan]

Sorry, should have clarified, I drove both. The STi is noticeably better handling than the WRX but I couldn't justify the price premium without committing the car to more track time and less of a daily driver.

I'm 43 and was looking for something fun but comfortable for daily work but when I go to the track with friends I can still enjoy it. I'll be at COTA in Austin later this year and possibly Hallett outside of Tulsa, will write it up if I do.

 

[madsedan]

If I had bought the STi my friends at work would have made fun of the Fast n Furious car but everyone loves the Mustang. I guess its more age appropriate for me lol.

 

[madsedan]

Oh, and to the OP of this thread, no the EB would get killed by the STi.

 

[Shakooza]

If I had bought the STi my friends at work would have made fun of the Fast n Furious car but everyone loves the Mustang. I guess its more age appropriate for me lol.

Subaru is giving you the option to delete the boy racer airplane wing drilled into the trunk lid in 2016....

 

[Nazgul]

I think the average Joe would be faster in the sti. They give drivers toooons of confidence and are simply easier point and shoot cars. The gt will require more skill. Entry speeds will be higher for sure. Rwd cars take more skill to drive fast plain and simple. Spend some time autocrossing and get to learn the car and my guess is you will be faster in a gt than a sti.

Normal people equate "better handling" with confidence in the vehicle. Just because it is more confidence inspiring doesn't mean it's a better handling car. F1 cars are prime examples. They are not very confidence inspiring if you don't know what you're doing, but are clearly some of the 'best handling cars' out there.

 

[Lowrider]

^^ Cofidence come with predictability of the car you are driving...With a properly set up AWD car you can take turns with more confidence than a RWD car at a novice level...But building that confidence in a RWD car takes a lot on the type of car.

If you watch Randy's of Motor Trend head to head...you will get what I'm talking about.

 

[Nazgul]

Agreed. The least confidence inspiring thing on the GT is the tires. The are not that good. The predictability of the tires suck too. They don't moan at the limit, they just break free. Throw some pss on them and the confidence level rises.

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