I guess I've been in a cave; new 26 Mustang GT well equipped for 64-67k??!!

[WItoTX]

The prices are pretty in line with inflation.

My car brand new was 46k. The same car priced out today is around 51k. 7 years of time and some of the worst financials in history, that jump doesn't seem so terrible now.

PP package has gotten very expensive over the years. When I bought mine it was around a 5k option I believe, and that was very expensive over what it was a couple years before that.

Apples to apples vs the competition you still get more for your money with the Mustang than its competition sold today. Compare the price increases of anything else and you'll find Ford is not ripping us off with these increases.

The people making our cars deserve a living wage and that's gonna lead to increased costs every year for the car. Health insurance premiums and pay bumps for workers are gonna lead to higher prices for the car every year.

How much do you think they make? What is a "living wage" in your definition?

Your better argument would be, we need to make all our cars in the USA, where we have defined environmental rules and follow them, instead of farming MFG out to a third world country who can pollute with impunity and we all put blinders on to it because we saved $500 on the cost of a new car.

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[Gregs24]

MSRP just doesn't matter anymore. I just bought a new truck, and we were no where near MSRP when price discussions even started. And I got them lower than that yet. Between A Plan and X Plan ultimately.

What is crazy, I bought a new gasser 2 years ago, same exact trim level, same everything, and this latest truck was the same price as my gasser 2 years ago. Prices have gotten less crazy. Still a lot, but at least reality is catching on.

Ford does pay tariffs. Less people buying their product. they lose money. It's Fords fault for outsourcing the last 50 years. And probably some of the labor union, and some of consumers fault, who for some reason want ridiculous things like running boards that retract. And cameras everywhere.

Outsourcing?

The Essex / Windsor plant is just down the road from Flat Rock and is their own plant! It has been there for over 100 years and is pretty much as old as Ford itself. That is NOT outsourcing it is a long established integrated production facility that has just been ruined by tariffs! It is Ford supplying Ford!

Ford will not close the Windsor plant and move production elsewhere, they will just pass on the tariffs until one day normality returns! Ford did not pass on tariffs to customers that had already ordered cars or for dealer stock, but they have now increased prices to cover it as with pretty much every other company.

America’s Own Goal: Who Pays the Tariffs? - Kiel Institute

What cameras and running boards have to do with anything I have no idea.

 

[WItoTX]

Outsourcing?

The Essex / Windsor plant is just down the road from Flat Rock and is their own plant! It has been there for over 100 years and is pretty much as old as Ford itself. That is NOT outsourcing it is a long established integrated production facility that has just been ruined by tariffs! It is Ford supplying Ford!

Ford will not close the Windsor plant and move production elsewhere, they will just pass on the tariffs until one day normality returns! Ford did not pass on tariffs to customers that had already ordered cars or for dealer stock, but they have now increased prices to cover it as with pretty much every other company.

America’s Own Goal: Who Pays the Tariffs? - Kiel Institute

What cameras and running boards have to do with anything I have no idea.

How are they paying tariffs if they make everything in the USA?

 

[Gregs24]

How much do you think they make? What is a "living wage" in your definition?

Your better argument would be, we need to make all our cars in the USA, where we have defined environmental rules and follow them, instead of farming MFG out to a third world country who can pollute with impunity and we all put blinders on to it because we saved $500 on the cost of a new car.

It is Canada we are talking about with the V8. It is very close to the Flat Rock site so short transport distance and hardly a 'third world country polluting with impunity', probably better than the US in that respect!

 

[Gregs24]

How are they paying tariffs if they make everything in the USA?

The engines are made in Canada for the Mustang and anything else using the Coyote

 

[geep81]

How much do you think they make?

Not enough.

And yeah everyone should stop buying foreign cars. That's not gonna lower prices for anything, but it would have some other benefits.

 

[Gregs24]

Not enough.

And yeah everyone should stop buying foreign cars. That's not gonna lower prices for anything, but it would have some other benefits.

Define 'foreign cars' mind you?

Lots of 'foreign' carmakers make cars in the US such as BMW, Toyota etc. Chinese carmakers will be next, Stellantis already looking to build cars for Chinese companies.

 

[Strokerswild]

Even if the S650 was drop dead gorgeous (news flash -- it's not), I'd have a hard time justifying that expense; a few weeks ago I B&P'd a GT similar to my '15 and it was well over $60K. Nah. My '15 stickered for $40,015 and IIRC I paid around $36K for it through X-plan. Hell of a difference.

I'm a mechanical engineer and make pretty decent money, but apparently my wage increases haven't kept pace with inflation whatsoever. Not to mention my priorities are a bit different now versus 11 years ago, I'm even more of a tightwad now.

 

[WItoTX]

It is Canada we are talking about with the V8. It is very close to the Flat Rock site so short transport distance and hardly a 'third world country polluting with impunity', probably better than the US in that respect!

Okay, so you are saying every part on the Coyote comes from Canada? Let's ignore all the other Ford motors for the time being.

Just trying to understand where all the parts come from. The Coyote foundry is in Canada, the electrics are sourced and produced there, all the machining, everything?

 

[Gregs24]

Even if the S650 was drop dead gorgeous (news flash -- it's not), I'd have a hard time justifying that expense; a few weeks ago I B&P'd a GT similar to my '15 and it was well over $60K. Nah. My '15 stickered for $40,015 and IIRC I paid around $36K for it through X-plan. Hell of a difference.

I'm a mechanical engineer and make pretty decent money, but apparently my wage increases haven't kept pace with inflation whatsoever. Not to mention my priorities are a bit different now versus 11 years ago, I'm even more of a tightwad now.

Well $40k in 2015 is around $54k now applying inflation for those 10 years. Not sure about any taxation or registration changes since then in the US plus the 'drop dead gorgeous' S650 is significantly improved from a 2015 S550 and all of a sudden it is not that far adrift of where it should be. That ignores several thousand of tariffs too.

 

[Gregs24]

Okay, so you are saying every part on the Coyote comes from Canada? Let's ignore all the other Ford motors for the time being.

Just trying to understand where all the parts come from. The Coyote foundry is in Canada, the electrics are sourced and produced there, all the machining, everything?

The engine is made at the Windsor plant and shipped to Flat Rock as a complete unit. It will have an internal value applied when crossing the border and the tariff applied. Pure cost applied and passed on to the consumer. Also other components made in Mexico such as steering wheels.

Until a couple of years ago Ford produced vehicles using all of their plants integrated into a NA setup that included plants in Canada, US and Mexico tariff free. Now they have to pay to move stuff between their own plants. I'm sure they have mitigated some costs by moving stuff direct from Mexico to Canada missing out the US but ultimately there are some movements that cannot be avoided.

 

[WItoTX]

Not enough.

And yeah everyone should stop buying foreign cars. That's not gonna lower prices for anything, but it would have some other benefits.

Okay, I looked it up for you. A day 1 UAW employee working for Ford starts at $25/hr. Zero education needed, can come straight from High School.

3 years down the road, they are making $42/hr. And if they get into a skilled trade (Training provided by Ford mind you), they are making six figures, just a few years in. This doesn't include OT, or profit sharing, or bonuses.

With that context provided, do you think they make a living wage? If not, what dollar value do you believe is enough?

 

[bKennedy]

I have a 2018 GT Premium with PP1 and would like to buy a new GTwith the same features, but the price is outrageous. I may be able to justify it if they put a Tremec transmission in the car, but I'm not going to pay $60K and get a piece of crap MT82 trans. If Ford is going to charge premium prices, give me a premium transmission to go along with what I consider a great car.

 

[Gregs24]

I have a 2018 GT Premium with PP1 and would like to buy a new GTwith the same features, but the price is outrageous. I may be able to justify it if they put a Tremec transmission in the car, but I'm not going to pay $60K and get a piece of crap MT82 trans. If Ford is going to charge premium prices, give me a premium transmission to go along with what I consider a great car.

Mustang sales are up 22% YTD. Clearly some must have a different opinion to you.

 

[geep81]

I have a 2018 GT Premium with PP1 and would like to buy a new GTwith the same features, but the price is outrageous. I may be able to justify it if they put a Tremec transmission in the car, but I'm not going to pay $60K and get a piece of crap MT82 trans. If Ford is going to charge premium prices, give me a premium transmission to go along with what I consider a great car.

DarkHorse would be the car you want. Starts at 64k and has a lot of upgrades over the GT and also a Tremec, for about the price you mentioned.
My local dealer had one on the lot a year or so old with some decent cash off, was around 58k. (it's black, the worst color for the DH)

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