GT350 Dealers List.

[Tom]

Agreed. I'm willing to pay for good service. Two or three thousand dollars is nothing in the grand scheme of things to get a good purchasing experience.

You should get good service regardless of what Dealer you go too, and not have to pay for it. If your willing to pay a ADM then you are definitely in the minority.:tsk:
That two or three thousand or more ADM, should stay in your pocket. That's a lot of money to some people if not all. I rather put it away for something else down the road, like a vacation. Please don't encourage these Dealer's that want to charge ADM's, it's bad for everyone. MSRP is more than enough profit for these Dealer's, regardless of the vehicle to be sold. (no disrespect intended)

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[Tom]

No but I was thinking about a ADM..:cheers::shrug:

You going to the DARK SIDE? LOL

 

[Rated R]

Typically the service and sales department may as well be owned by different owners. Neither has anything to do with the other in any average working day.

 

[Tom]

Typically the service and sales department may as well be owned by different owners. Neither has anything to do with the other in any average working day.

I agree with you. (That Said) I think we are talking about the overall experience one has at a Dealership, such as Sale's, Service, Finance and even the Part's Dept. combined. Get all those right and you have a Very Happy Customer. :cheers:

 

[LHousePhoto]

Well if anyone in Utah doesn't want to pay markup. Henry Day Ford in West Valley sold me my 2015 GT for Invoice + $500. All their vehicles are sold the same way, no MSRP, no nonsense, no haggling, just invoice + $500.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

You should get good service regardless of what Dealer you go too, and not have to pay for it. If your willing to pay a ADM then you are definitely in the minority.:tsk:
That two or three thousand or more ADM, should stay in your pocket. That's a lot of money to some people if not all. I rather put it away for something else down the road, like a vacation. Please don't encourage these Dealer's that want to charge ADM's, it's bad for everyone. MSRP is more than enough profit for these Dealer's, regardless of the vehicle to be sold. (no disrespect intended)

I hear you on the "keep a united front and don't let dealers know people are willing to pay extra" thing. You're right; avoiding a bidding war helps all consumers.

But if two thousand dollars is "a lot of money" to you -- in the sense that it would have a significant impact on your budgeting -- you shouldn't be buying this car. Two thousand dollars is a LOT of money for dinner, or for a bottle of wine. On a GT350, it's a few percentage points.

 

[Trackaholic]

Honest and ADM?

Sure. Like everything, ADM isn't a black/white issue. It all comes down to finding a match between what the customer is willing to pay and what the dealer is willing to sell for. Some people won't be happy unless they pay far under MSRP for their vehicle. The GT350 seems to be desirable enough that most will be happy with MSRP. Would you pay $1 dollar of ADM to get the first car in a convenient manner? What about $100? Everyone's financial situation is different, and for some, getting the car early and having that 15 minutes of fame experience, along with enjoying the car longer might be worth some ADM. For others, shopping around or waiting is a better option. I'd rather not pay any ADM, but if the car has value above the MSRP, I might be willing to pay some amount.

-T

 

[Five Oh Brian]

I love the ADM argument, as it is never rational - only emotional. And the biggest opposition to an ADM is typically somebody that can't even afford the car in question even if it were sold for MSRP.

Please keep in mind that us dealers have to sell cars below MSRP all the time. We often have to sell cars below the factory invoice total, as well. So, why should it be a one way street? Customers expect us dealers to discount thousands off MSRP to buy a car that's not popular, so shouldn't a highly sought after car be worth more? After all, MSRP is only a "suggestion" and customers never complain when they can get a car well under MSRP.

Some people want it to be law or manufacturer policy that no car can be sold over MSRP and I totally agree with that if - and only if - that same law/policy also says cars can't be sold for less than MSRP, as well.

Oh, and before you all show up at my dealership with torches and pitchforks, I should point out that we typically sell our specialty vehicles for less than MSRP (full MSRP is rare), so we're one of the nice dealers out there. For example, nearly all of our 2014 SVT products (Raptors and GT500's) were sold for thousands below MSRP. Only the first couple of them early in the year came close to MSRP. Our Boss 302's (we sold 6 of them) were MSRP or less, as well. GT350 pricing? Who knows! Ford hasn't announced pricing yet, so neither have we.

Oh, and for those who think it's criminal or immoral for a car dealer to ask for an ADM, keep in mind that an asking price is not the final transaction price. So, you may very well find that if you showed genuine interest in (and ability to buy) a GT350 to a dealer who is asking an ADM, you may actually be able to negotiate with them to a lower price that makes you happy.

 

[Rated R]

You're absolutely right. Anyone who pays ADM is thinking emotionally, and not rationally...;)

I can afford to buy several of these if I chose to. But I haven't gotten to where I am by spending so foolishly that I would ever pay over sticker for a car. It has everything to do with the principle, not the money.

If Ford told their dealers that they factored in X% additional margin for Ford Performance vehicles (if they agreed not to charge ADM) I wouldn't have a problem with that as it would establish a pricing base for everyone. The base pricing is reflected upon when establishing used car pricing. Because of this reason ADM will always be for the sucker; and anyone who actually admits to ever having paid ADM is always thought of as a fool by everybody.

The poor guys leaves the dealership keys in hand, wallet raped with everyone laughing behind him and a pissed off wife when he gets home lol...I'll never be that guy. There is literally no upside to that scenario. He doesn't even respect himself when he looks in the mirror...:doh:

 

[Tom]

I hear you on the "keep a united front and don't let dealers know people are willing to pay extra" thing. You're right; avoiding a bidding war helps all consumers.

But if two thousand dollars is "a lot of money" to you -- in the sense that it would have a significant impact on your budgeting -- you shouldn't be buying this car. Two thousand dollars is a LOT of money for dinner, or for a bottle of wine. On a GT350, it's a few percentage points.

I do think that 2k is a lot of Money, but how I view Money is not germane
to the subject at hand.
It's really not all about the money to some degree, for people that are in the market for this car. I personally think if the price stay's under 60k it will be a bargain, and within my mean's to purchase. But if the dealer were to add a ADM on top of the MSRP, I would take my business someplace else. And I agree that if you can afford to buy this car, a 2k ADM is not going to devastate your Bank Account by any mean's. Or is it a, 5k,10k,20k ADM, how much would you be willing to pay? When is a ADM to high? For me It's the principal of having to pay a ADM. I don't care how much it is. The MSRP has been set by the manufacturer and the Dealer make's a profit from the MSRP, adding a ADM is just greed. It's unethical, and I think most would agree with me on that. Just because you can do a thing, does not mean you should. I don't care how they spin it. Don't take this post personally, I meant no disrespect. I was just expressing my view's.
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[FPCV8YO]

Sure. Like everything, ADM isn't a black/white issue. It all comes down to finding a match between what the customer is willing to pay and what the dealer is willing to sell for. Some people won't be happy unless they pay far under MSRP for their vehicle. The GT350 seems to be desirable enough that most will be happy with MSRP. Would you pay $1 dollar of ADM to get the first car in a convenient manner? What about $100? Everyone's financial situation is different, and for some, getting the car early and having that 15 minutes of fame experience, along with enjoying the car longer might be worth some ADM. For others, shopping around or waiting is a better option. I'd rather not pay any ADM, but if the car has value above the MSRP, I might be willing to pay some amount.

-T

"Value above MSRP"? Are you talking personal value because FoMoCo sets the actual retail value.

 

[FPCV8YO]

I love the ADM argument, as it is never rational - only emotional. And the biggest opposition to an ADM is typically somebody that can't even afford the car in question even if it were sold for MSRP.

Please keep in mind that us dealers have to sell cars below MSRP all the time. We often have to sell cars below the factory invoice total, as well. So, why should it be a one way street? Customers expect us dealers to discount thousands off MSRP to buy a car that's not popular, so shouldn't a highly sought after car be worth more? After all, MSRP is only a "suggestion" and customers never complain when they can get a car well under MSRP.

Some people want it to be law or manufacturer policy that no car can be sold over MSRP and I totally agree with that if - and only if - that same law/policy also says cars can't be sold for less than MSRP, as well.

Oh, and before you all show up at my dealership with torches and pitchforks, I should point out that we typically sell our specialty vehicles for less than MSRP (full MSRP is rare), so we're one of the nice dealers out there. For example, nearly all of our 2014 SVT products (Raptors and GT500's) were sold for thousands below MSRP. Only the first couple of them early in the year came close to MSRP. Our Boss 302's (we sold 6 of them) were MSRP or less, as well. GT350 pricing? Who knows! Ford hasn't announced pricing yet, so neither have we.

Oh, and for those who think it's criminal or immoral for a car dealer to ask for an ADM, keep in mind that an asking price is not the final transaction price. So, you may very well find that if you showed genuine interest in (and ability to buy) a GT350 to a dealer who is asking an ADM, you may actually be able to negotiate with them to a lower price that makes you happy.

I actually have no problem with a dealer trying to get ADM although, I wish that they wouldn't. My problem is with the people who pay it and falsely inflate the value that was set for the car.

 

[Tom]

I find it hard to believe you just made this statement in public. Are you the GM of this dealership? :tsk:

the biggest opposition to an ADM is typically somebody that can't even afford the car in question even if it were sold for MSRP

What kind of Mindset is that to have? Just because people don't think ADM's should be allowed, you think they are all bum's because they wont pay extra? Most people wont pay ADM's because they have principles, and wont give them up just to satisfy a Greedy Dealer. Why don't you just tell the customer, we sell this Specific car/truck @ MSRP only. What's so hard about that? I think that if the customer really want's the vehicle, MSRP would not be a problem. From what I'm reading in your post, You still made money on all of those deal's. Like you, I would like to see a non negotiable MSRP too. And in regards to how you see people who think it's criminal or immoral for a car dealer to charge ADM's, I think Unethical would be a more proper description for ADM's. Just do away with them, and be done with it. People will pay MSRP all day long for a GT350.

 

[L8APEX]

There is no reason to pay an ADM if you shop around.

Don't be an impulse buyer

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

I hear you on the "keep a united front and don't let dealers know people are willing to pay extra" thing. You're right; avoiding a bidding war helps all consumers.

But if two thousand dollars is "a lot of money" to you -- in the sense that it would have a significant impact on your budgeting -- you shouldn't be buying this car. Two thousand dollars is a LOT of money for dinner, or for a bottle of wine. On a GT350, it's a few percentage points.

Lets agree to disagree.....I agree if 2K is a lot of money you should not be buying this car...but that's not really the point here is it./? The real point here is FoMoCo has done its diligence and determined the MSRP should be ($XXXX) So what I think everyone (or most I should say) is saying here is why pay more if you do not have to? Send a message to the Dealers that are charging a Market Adjustment Price, and that is if you gouge me on this car, you will lost any future business with me. As I said before in another "thread" Dealers need to be long term greedy....They want to sell you multiple cars and make a little on a lot, than a lot on one...yes:shrug:

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