New 2015 GT on Showroom Floor

[TonyNJ]

@Cobra Jet still wrapped up with only 7 miles on the odometer. If it was the Wimbledon White car, I think maybe it would have gotten more.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2015-ford-mustang-gt-167/

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[G.T.]

I’ve been saying that out of all the S550 Limited Editions, the true 50th Anniversary LE will be the one to watch in coming years - because it’s the only S550 (excluding any S550 Shelby or Shelby R) that had the lowest production figure.

Not only the lowest production figure out if the 2015-2023 S550’s, but it’s the only S550 that had 2 very unique build qualities:

- The last (4) digits of the VIN was the actual 50th LE Build Number that matched the build number on the dash plaque above the glove box.

- The unique beveled or layered rear 1/4 glass was only available on the true 50th LE. This glass cannot be purchased from Ford unless the owner provides proof of ownership of a 50th LE. The cost of the glass to get it from Ford at the time was very expensive. The glass was also never reproduced nor is it available from any Mustang vendor or other Ford shops. The only way anyone could get this glass if not a 50th LE owner was to source it from a wrecked 50th LE. The last pair of “salvaged” 50th LE rear 1/4 glass I saw sell on eBay was $2500…. and that’s been over 2 years ago.

Now I put a “laugh” icon on your response only because if true and that Toyota Dealer is trying to get $110k for that 50th LE, they’re going to be sitting on it for a long time. These cars aren’t 6-figure status (yet), BUT in the coming years, YES they will be in the 6-figure range for a “wrapper” 50th LE that still has all delivered decals, documentation, the shipping cover, owner’s welcome kit, if it was not titled AND how low of a Build number it is assigned.

Currently, nice 50th LE drivers with low miles are in the $30k-35k range. If their Build Number is a low one and with low miles, those 50th LE’s are easily in the $45k-$50k range.

The lowest 50th LE I have seen in the wild was #13, which was being sold out of a Dealer in FL about 5-6 years ago. It was used, didn’t have low miles and it was a driver, but asking price of the time was in the mid $30k range.

The population of the 50th LE’s has dwindled over the years due to salvage events claiming them. We have a thread on here in the 50th LE subforum that documents quite a few of them with images, so the initial 1,964 has definitley been reduced. So again, as the years pass, these 50th LE’s will be a collectible no doubt.

That 50th LE on the showroom floor at that Dealer isn’t a super low build, sure it’s #248, but it’s not low enough IMO to command a $110k ask.

I find it interesting that the value fluctuates so much the further from #1 you are.

Of course #1 of anything often commands a premium, but aside from that all things being equal, in other cars just being part of that limited production run gets you around the same value no matter what number you are in the run.

 

[PP0001]

I’ve been saying that out of all the S550 Limited Editions, the true 50th Anniversary LE will be the one to watch in coming years - because it’s the only S550 (excluding any S550 Shelby or Shelby R) that had the lowest production figure.

Not only the lowest production figure out if the 2015-2023 S550’s, but it’s the only S550 that had 2 very unique build qualities:

- The last (4) digits of the VIN was the actual 50th LE Build Number that matched the build number on the dash plaque above the glove box.

- The unique beveled or layered rear 1/4 glass was only available on the true 50th LE. This glass cannot be purchased from Ford unless the owner provides proof of ownership of a 50th LE. The cost of the glass to get it from Ford at the time was very expensive. The glass was also never reproduced nor is it available from any Mustang vendor or other Ford shops. The only way anyone could get this glass if not a 50th LE owner was to source it from a wrecked 50th LE. The last pair of “salvaged” 50th LE rear 1/4 glass I saw sell on eBay was $2500…. and that’s been over 2 years ago.

Now I put a “laugh” icon on your response only because if true and that Toyota Dealer is trying to get $110k for that 50th LE, they’re going to be sitting on it for a long time. These cars aren’t 6-figure status (yet), BUT in the coming years, YES they will be in the 6-figure range for a “wrapper” 50th LE that still has all delivered decals, documentation, the shipping cover, owner’s welcome kit, if it was not titled AND how low of a Build number it is assigned.

Currently, nice 50th LE drivers with low miles are in the $30k-35k range. If their Build Number is a low one and with low miles, those 50th LE’s are easily in the $45k-$50k range.

The lowest 50th LE I have seen in the wild was #13, which was being sold out of a Dealer in FL about 5-6 years ago. It was used, didn’t have low miles and it was a driver, but asking price of the time was in the mid $30k range.

The population of the 50th LE’s has dwindled over the years due to salvage events claiming them. We have a thread on here in the 50th LE subforum that documents quite a few of them with images, so the initial 1,964 has definitley been reduced. So again, as the years pass, these 50th LE’s will be a collectible no doubt.

That 50th LE on the showroom floor at that Dealer isn’t a super low build, sure it’s #248, but it’s not low enough IMO to command a $110k ask.

After all of your detailed response who is suggesting that chassis #248 is commanding an asking sales price of $110,000?

No question that the 2015 Mustang GT 50th Anniversary Edition models are pretty cool when it comes to looks and design but let's face it the 1964 LE examples that were produced for the most part were simply sticker and badge units especially when compared to the outstanding performance of the 2015 Mustang Shelby GT350/R 50th Anniversary Edition vehicles which comprised of 145 units in total.

Shortly after purchasing a couple of these 2015 Mustang GT 50th Anniversary Limited Edition units which were advertised at 435 HP, I test drove them back-to-back against a couple of my 2012 Boss 302/LS vehicles and must say that with a difference of just 9 advertised HP between the two models the difference in overall performance was simply hard to comprehend and after some considerable seat time in each model the performance advantage clearly was in the favor of the 2012 Boss 302/LS models.

Getting back to chassis number "248", this is a rare 6-speed automatic example that is still on the MSO and to the best of my knowledge it shows a total of ~35 miles on the odometer and has an asking price of $48,190 which is MSRP therefore don't understand where you are suggesting the asking price of $110,000 or thereabouts for chassis #248 as that has never been implied to the best of my knowledge?

Anyone wanting any further details on chassis #248 please reach out to me with a PM.

 

[FLMustangMan]

Who in their sane mind would pay full price for a 2015? Yes I know it's limited but please. Buy a Dark Horse if you want to blow money. 2015 lol.

 

[Mike Pfeifer]

Curious, would something like this, a never-titled 2015, have a full warranty when sold by the dealer?

If it has never been retailed, then it should come with the full factory warranty. I’m pretty sure an oasis report will show start of warranty date, if there is one.

 

[Mike Pfeifer]

With this vehicle being almost 12 years old and based on my experience this vehicle will not come with any sort of warranty.

Is there some sort of time limit on never retailed cars to maintain the new car warranty when eventually sold as a new car?

 

[Cobra Jet]

After all of your detailed response who is suggesting that chassis #248 is commanding an asking sales price of $110,000?

No question that the 2015 Mustang GT 50th Anniversary Edition models are pretty cool when it comes to looks and design but let's face it the 1964 LE examples that were produced for the most part were simply sticker and badge units especially when compared to the outstanding performance of the 2015 Mustang Shelby GT350/R 50th Anniversary Edition vehicles which comprised of 145 units in total.

Shortly after purchasing a couple of these 2015 Mustang GT 50th Anniversary Limited Edition units which were advertised at 435 HP, I test drove them back-to-back against a couple of my 2012 Boss 302/LS vehicles and must say that with a difference of just 9 advertised HP between the two models the difference in overall performance was simply hard to comprehend and after some considerable seat time in each model the performance advantage clearly was in the favor of the 2012 Boss 302/LS models.

Getting back to chassis number "248", this is a rare 6-speed automatic example that is still on the MSO and to the best of my knowledge it shows a total of ~35 miles on the odometer and has an asking price of $48,190 which is MSRP therefore don't understand where you are suggesting the asking price of $110,000 or thereabouts for chassis #248 as that has never been implied to the best of my knowledge?

Anyone wanting any further details on chassis #248 please reach out to me with a PM.

Had to go back and check…

Post #8 had the reference to $110k - but when I read it quickly last night I didn’t catch the “1287” reference because I thought that was a street or the dealer number address…. So I’ll edit the 50th LE # in my original response.

I also excluded the S550 Shelby/Shelby R in my response as to not group their limited production numbers in with the 50th LE, because IMO the Shelby’s are a totally different league and discussion off the S550 “GT”. Aside from the S550 Shelby’s, the 50th LE of 1,964 is the lowest “limited or special” editions of all of the S550’s that were built by Ford in low quantities (ie: Bullitt, Mach 1, etc) and was a one year only run as opposed to multi-year runs and excessive production counts.

 

[Cobra Jet]

@Cobra Jet still wrapped up with only 7 miles on the odometer. If it was the Wimbledon White car, I think maybe it would have gotten more.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2015-ford-mustang-gt-167/

I think what hurt the sale of that one was the fact that for some reason it had a duplicate title and not the original. Kind of strange that it would have a duplicate title - like someone lost the original - possible, but it didn’t help the sale because dupe titles bring questions. A nice 50th LE for sure and the winner got a good deal on what appears to be a clean example.

 

[PP0001]

Is there some sort of time limit on never retailed cars to maintain the new car warranty when eventually sold as a new car?

My understanding is that when the new vehicle warranty expires that is the end of the warranty but also understand that Ford can provide an additional warranty for a vehicle such as this 2015 Mustang GT 50th Anniversary Edition model once it is purchased but I have no idea of cost?

 

[MAGS1]

The new vehicle factory warranty technically starts on the first day the vehicle is in service (titled). If it’s never been titled, in theory the new car factory warranty hasn’t kicked in yet. If that car has never been titled and someone buys it, they should confirm with someone at Ford corporate. My guess is corporate would try to find some loophole around it. The Oasis should also show the first in-service date and that the clock has started on the new car factory warranty. Could also run one now and see what shows up.

If I recall, there is a dealer that had a 2000 Cobra R that has never been titled (I believe someone actually crashed through the dealership and wrecked it fairly recently), but in theory the factory new car warranty had never started on that one either. Who knows if Ford would warranty anything on a 26+ year old car.

 

[Mike Pfeifer]

The new vehicle factory warranty technically starts on the first day the vehicle is in service (titled). If it’s never been titled, in theory the new car factory warranty hasn’t kicked in yet. If that car has never been titled and someone buys it, they should confirm with someone at Ford corporate. My guess is corporate would try to find some loophole around it. The Oasis should also show the first in-service date and that the clock has started on the new car factory warranty. Could also run one now and see what shows up.

If I recall, there is a dealer that had a 2000 Cobra R that has never been titled (I believe someone actually crashed through the dealership and wrecked it fairly recently), but in theory the factory new car warranty had never started on that one either. Who knows if Ford would warranty anything on a 26+ year old car.

Yes, exactly. The warranty can’t expire because it never started. Unless it was put “in service”. There’s numerous way that can happen, sometimes dealers do that to new cars to show them as sold on their books. It’s called “punching”, and the gist is that they will sell it soon enough that the buyer isn’t aware that the warranty didn’t start on the date they bought it (it’s technically no longer a new car, but may not have ever been driven). Sometimes they make those cars into loaners or demos.

 

[PP0001]

Yes, exactly. The warranty can’t expire because it never started. Unless it was put “in service”. There’s numerous way that can happen, sometimes dealers do that to new cars to show them as sold on their books. It’s called “punching”, and the gist is that they will sell it soon enough that the buyer isn’t aware that the warranty didn’t start on the date they bought it (it’s technically no longer a new car, but may not have ever been driven). Sometimes they make those cars into loaners or demos.

Help me understand how the FMC can be expected to honor a 3-year bumper to bumper warranty for any vehicle that has never been sold or titled which would be held on the MSO/MCO regardless of how old the vehicle may be?

As an example, there is a Ford dealership in the Southeast that has in their showroom 4 brand new examples from each of the 11th Gen Thunderbird models spanning from 2002 thru 2005 with each unit being held on the MSO.

Are you suggesting that when any of those vehicles may be sold to the general public that the FMC should be expected to honor the 3-year bumper to bumper and powertrain warranty for each of those vehicles?

In the case of the 2002 Thunderbird example which was built in the summer of 2001, that vehicle is now 25 years old has had the differential, transmission and engine coolants breaking down and contaminating for a quarter of a century let alone the engine oil and gasoline that has probably gone bad and Ford is expected to warranty that particular vehicle?

In the case of chassis #248 which is the 2015 Mustang GT 50th Anniversary Limited Edition vehicle in question, that vehicle is pretty much 12 years old and again all of the operating fluids have probably broken down to some degree due to internal contamination, dry seals, leaks, condensation and corrosion therefore have a difficult time understanding how Ford should be responsible for either the bumper to bumper or powertrain warranty?

As far as punching, based on my experience that scenario is sometimes initiated directly by the manufacturer based on brand new vehicles sitting on dealership lots for periods of over 2 years or more but sometimes punching is initiated by an automotive dealership themselves which in some cases enables a dealer to obtain certain incentives, etc.

At the end of the day each automaker sets their own rules and regulations when it comes to this scenario and of course from a consumer standpoint common sense has to come into play especially based on just how old the vehicle in question is.

 

[FLMustangMan]

Help me understand how the FMC can be expected to honor a 3-year bumper to bumper warranty for any vehicle that has never been sold or titled which would be held on the MSO/MCO regardless of how old the vehicle may be?

As an example, there is a Ford dealership in the Southeast that has in their showroom 4 brand new examples from each of the 11th Gen Thunderbird models spanning from 2002 thru 2005 with each unit being held on the MSO.

Are you suggesting that when any of those vehicles may be sold to the general public that the FMC should be expected to honor the 3-year bumper to bumper and powertrain warranty for each of those vehicles?

In the case of the 2002 Thunderbird example which was built in the summer of 2001, that vehicle is now 25 years old has had the differential, transmission and engine coolants breaking down and contaminating for a quarter of a century let alone the engine oil and gasoline that has probably gone bad and Ford is expected to warranty that particular vehicle?

In the case of chassis #248 which is the 2015 Mustang GT 50th Anniversary Limited Edition vehicle in question, that vehicle is pretty much 12 years old and again all of the operating fluids have probably broken down to some degree due to internal contamination, dry seals, leaks, condensation and corrosion therefore have a difficult time understanding how Ford should be responsible for either the bumper to bumper or powertrain warranty?

As far as punching, based on my experience that scenario is sometimes initiated directly by the manufacturer based on brand new vehicles sitting on dealership lots for periods of over 2 years or more but sometimes punching is initiated by an automotive dealership themselves which in some cases enables a dealer to obtain certain incentives, etc.

At the end of the day each automaker sets their own rules and regulations when it comes to this scenario and of course from a consumer standpoint common sense has to come into play especially based on just how old the vehicle in question is.

Still, it's a 2015. However if it's bought new, it's bought new. Should be no issues with warranty. However better be a STEEP discount on it. I don't care if it's new. It's 11 years old. Why is the dealer holding onto it for years taking up space? It's not a Shelby.

 

[PP0001]

Still, it's a 2015. However if it's bought new, it's bought new. Should be no issues with warranty. However better be a STEEP discount on it. I don't care if it's new. It's 11 years old. Why is the dealer holding onto it for years taking up space? It's not a Shelby.

Just to be clear, up to what point in time is the FMC responsible for all warranties for a new vehicle that has never been titled and still on the MSO, forever?

With respect to what the dealership principal does with any of his car collection and in this case chassis #248, why does that concern you?

 

[G.T.]

I do recall a post here by a member who bought a never-titled S550 a few years after it was produced (3 years or so IIRC). I seem to recall it turned out his warranty counter began only under his use and he was able to discover this and make use of it to get some problems with the car covered.

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