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[9secondko]

Question, does Chevrolet have a group they work with that is equivalent to Multimatic or what used to be AMG (was actually a separate company in the beginning) for Mercedes?

GMs chassis and suspension engineers are insanely talented people. It’s rare they would ever do such a thing. The zr1 and zr1 x are designed built in-house. The knowledge that comes with going through the arduous process of doing such things only makes them thst much better. They’re lethal.

it’s one reason why it would be great for ford to Feb slop an in-house GT, and do their high end cars from the ground up as well. But you have to invest first. And we are in a season of not really doing that

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[lo-fi]

GMs chassis and suspension engineers are insanely talented people. It’s rare they would ever do such a thing. The zr1 and zr1 x are designed built in-house. The knowledge that comes with going through the arduous process of doing such things only makes them thst much better. They’re lethal.

it’s one reason why it would be great for ford to Feb slop an in-house GT, and do their high end cars from the ground up as well. But you have to invest first. And we are in a season of not really doing that

I'm surprised that actually works. My experience with big companies and their ability to do anything on time, on budget, and have the end product be useful/desirable is not a positive one. The bureaucracy is usually insurmountable.

I think going outside is usually the move as a smaller company is better able to react and correct problems.

However, kudos for Chevrolet for being able to do it.

 

[Dragster]

Can we please cool it with the 6:41 talk until something official comes out? There’s a huge difference between speculation and an official time. Doesn’t anyone remember the ZR1X time that was within spitting distance of the AMG One?

 

[Strokerswild]

I think Hall Racing gets involved with some of GM's testing, but GM manages just fine to do the engineering.

 

[saleen367]

I think Hall Racing gets involved with some of GM's testing, but GM manages just fine to do the engineering.

Pratt Miller is a key partner with Chevrolet.

 

[Strokerswild]

Pratt Miller is a key partner with Chevrolet.

That's who I was trying to remember. Not enough caffeine on the planet this morning.

 

[Bob Lob Law]

Why not Ford? Their engineering team was also involved. Both teams deserve credit

Ford isn't known for it's engineering, it out sources it. Gm does almost all of their own engineering. I like Ford and have owned nothing but Ford or GM. Sure they helped, but, I don't look at it as a Ford, I see it as a Multimatic. Nothing wrong with that, but the credit goes to Multimatic for me.

 

[MAGS1]

Ford isn't known for it's engineering, it out sources it. Gm does almost all of their own engineering. I like Ford and have owned nothing but Ford or GM. Sure they helped, but, I don't look at it as a Ford, I see it as a Multimatic. Nothing wrong with that, but the credit goes to Multimatic for me.

Other than bringing in Multimatic for the GT & GTD, I’m not sure that Ford outsources much of their engineering. Manufacturing of parts, yes, but almost all OEM’s do that.

I have family that are now retired GM engineers. All those guys/gals know each other and they always speak highly of their Ford counterparts (with some friendly ribbing of course).

Maybe they do, I don’t work there so it’s hard for me to say for sure. But particularly when S550 came out, there were lots of articles and documentaries basically showcasing the various engineering teams and the work they did on S550. GT350 & GT500 were the works of the Ford Performance engineers and I’d say they banged it out of the park with those cars for sure.

 

[Bob Lob Law]

We're talking GTD though, which they outsourced. I'm just not a fan. I do not care in the slightest about ring times. I also don't care how fast it is as it's a $300k mustang. To me there isn't a mustang in the world worth $100k let alone $300k(and a please take my money) is beyond silly to me. If you have to apply to buy then F that! Especially when the majority are gonna be garage queens and never see a track.

 

[MAGS1]

We're talking GTD though, which they outsourced. I'm just not a fan. I do not care in the slightest about ring times. I also don't care how fast it is as it's a $300k mustang. To me there isn't a mustang in the world worth $100k let alone $300k(and a please take my money) is beyond silly to me. If you have to apply to buy then F that! Especially when the majority are gonna be garage queens and never see a track.

Fair enough, I don’t have the wallet for one. But I think it’s cool they do it (I still view it as a collaboration, but to each their own).

FWIW, there’s a guy I know here locally that had a ZR1X coming. He’s paying a $100K ADM on it (he doesn’t care either)so that car is now squarely in the GTD pricing. Just thought I’d throw it out there, found it interesting

 

[Bob Lob Law]

I'd want the ZR1 over the ZR1X any and every day. I don't ever want a electric/hybrid anything!

 

[Cobra99]

Major props to multimatic not ford.

Yes multimatic designed a great 5.2. Really? Lots of credit goes to multimatic but Ford gets none? Take your Ford bashing elsewere.

 

[Bob Lob Law]

Yes multimatic designed a great 5.2. Really? Lots of credit goes to multimatic but Ford gets none? Take your Ford bashing elsewhere.

LOL No! I can speak my mind like anyone else on here. Not bashing Ford, just giving props to the correct company. The 5.2 wasn't designed for the GTD, it is just used in it. I like GM and Ford, that doesn't mean that I think that they are infallible.

 

[9secondko]

I'm surprised that actually works. My experience with big companies and their ability to do anything on time, on budget, and have the end product be useful/desirable is not a positive one. The bureaucracy is usually insurmountable.

I think going outside is usually the move as a smaller company is better able to react and correct problems.

However, kudos for Chevrolet for being able to do it.

The development of the z06 and zr1 engine is anything but on time and on budget. They've been working on that thing for 20 years in various forms and displacements as a move away from pushrod V8s. First, it fidget make power. then it couldn't pass emissions. But then Ford came out with the VooDoo in the GT350 and solved the "large" displacement flat plane crank riddle. GM followed suit and finally had the solution they needed for big power and emissions compliance.

The suspension was far easier work. they've had a great suspension in the Camaros and went further in the 1LE models and also had the DSSV in the Camaro way back in 2015. Their engineers are pro level drivers too, so they know how to get the most out of what they are doing.

It's not that hard when you are committed. It would have been easy to call it a day and no one would have blamed them If they scrapped the project altogether. But it's a matter of pride for them, And that's when good things result. The Terminator was a matter of pride for Ford and a legend was born.

Look at Apple when they were small. They still concentrated on building the best products on earth even when Mishael Dell was telling them to just sell the company. Now look at them. Dell barely registers and Apple is HUGE - and they still make the best stuff.

When we look at the mustang under Mullaly, it was pride all over the place. Ne wCoyote engine to make the Mustang faster than the competition, new takes on legendary vehicles, cray power, crazy top speed, etc. Now? EVE SUV and "cool cars are the past. This is the future."

Outsourcing to Multiatic isn't so much easier. It's also more expensive. but it supplies expertise Ford doesn't have at the moment. It's also why they did their GT that way and why the GT was so limited, versus a glut of Corvettes.

It's just a philosophical thing. It wasn't always this way, but recently Ford has become shortsighted and looking for the quick fix while GM is invested in the long term and laying the foundations currently for success tomorrow. GM used to be a lot more stale. But lately they are firing on all cylinders. I am not a GM guy at all. I kind of hated GM all my life. Never ever owned a vehicle from them. but I see the Hummer and the ZR1 and I have to give them respect. Even if the Hummer doesn't have a gas option (yet). Heck, if you want a nice SUV with a. V8, you can't even get one from Ford. You have to go to Dodge or GM. You can't even get a V8 Bronco.

Putting in the R&D and building it out equates to making it easy the next time. All automotive development is amortized anyway, so making it count really works.

Ultimately, we can only hope that Ford is secretively doing so in its labs now - to pay dividends in the next generation. A Factory supercar worthy Mustang at Mustang prices and galaxy destroying GT - also made at the factory from the ground up - would be the ticket. With enough of them made to satisfy the entire market.

 

[9secondko]

Yes multimatic designed a great 5.2. Really? Lots of credit goes to multimatic but Ford gets none? Take your Ford bashing elsewere.

LOL. You have point, but I don't think that's where he was coming from.

Ford basically sent an old engine design and a regular mustang to multimatic. that's the credit ford gets.

Multimatic gets all the credit for the GTD being the GTD.

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