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Yeah. Regarding the car, I love it. And I haven't been a DH fan at all. I don't care about nomenclature - just hardware. In that regard, I love what I see and can't wait for more detail.

I am a bit disappointed in Farley and how he's handling the public. I didn't like the way he treated the "influencers" that were asking him questions prior to the DH SC introduction. When he said that "we don't look back" I was like what? Couple that with learning how close they were to calling the car a Boss variant seemed about as disingenuous as you can be. For example, one of the cars that was there...when somebody filmed the dash screen and scrolled through the different modes and they recorded the animations, the cars clearly say "BOSS." I can't believe it'll be that way when in production but to not want to talk about any heritage but yet you were that close to using an iconic name...wtf. Anyway, I love the car.

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Saw that earlier. unbelievable. They should have left it at that - even though it's supercharged. That would avoid the GT500 comparisons and also respect the heritage while upgrading what we've know the Boss to be. Win-win. That way no one hears "we don't like Shelby or Boss or Cobra" anymore. We want to run with stuff people already don't like.

When we get a "new" Dark Horse SC that replaces the Shelby at the top, we expect it to be something amazing, not a bit faster version of the 6 year old car. If they would have left it as intended at "boss," people would have room to expect something even better while being happy with the badge and the car itself, which would be a significant upgrade from any other Boss in history.

But then we hear Jim tell us that this is "the future" and ... yeah. If
No, not getting me to trade my 500 for one. I️ have Whippled mine and added a lot of carbon fiber. The 500 is just a work of art. Maybe the DHSC will grow on me. It will ultimately come down to pricing. If it is in line with what the 500 it would be tempting but something tells me it will be 120k instead of 90k for the base model.
Your GT500 is the best looking and performing car Ford has ever made for the price. With the Whipple and carbon fiber, you're whooping the GTD everywhere except the track - and your car is no slouch there either.

I am 10% certain the DHSC will outperform the stock version, otherwise it would be laughed to scorn. But the DHSC for its time is nothing like the 2020+ GT500 for its time.
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Hmm, I hear, "I won't buy it cause it's not named a Shelby". Maybe God quit letting Shelby out of Heaven to build cars. Just a thought.
 

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Hmm, I hear, "I won't buy it cause it's not named a Shelby". Maybe God quit letting Shelby out of Heaven to build cars. Just a thought.
You say that, but buying a Shelby has the Prestige and linage. The Dark horse has none of that. They sold every 20-22 Shelby's but the DH are sitting on lots. It matters more then you think.

Maybe I'm vain but if you had the option to buy the same car named DHSC or SHELBY which one would you pick?
 

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You say that, but buying a Shelby has the Prestige and linage. The Dark horse has none of that. They sold every 20-22 Shelby's but the DH are sitting on lots. It matters more then you think.

Maybe I'm vain but if you had the option to buy the same car named DHSC or SHELBY which one would you pick?
I'm more of a hardware guy than a name guy, and if the DHSC was identical (or even close) in appearance to the S550 GT500 minus the Shelby nomenclature and snake badges, I'd be all over it like a fat kid on cake.

Instead, we have this thing that I don't like the looks of from any angle. And the goddamn screens on a dash that wouldn't look out of place in an Explorer. And knowing Ford of late, it'll be priced plenty high (look at the regular DH cars, this will be worse).
 

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You say that, but buying a Shelby has the Prestige and linage. The Dark horse has none of that. They sold every 20-22 Shelby's but the DH are sitting on lots. It matters more then you think.

Maybe I'm vain but if you had the option to buy the same car named DHSC or SHELBY which one would you pick?
I get what you’re saying, but I think what Ford is trying to do is create a new lineage. The names like Boss, Cobra, Shelby, etc just don’t resonate with the next generation of enthusiasts like they do with us. We grew up with those names, they didn’t. So Ford is trying to create something new for the new generations. Might work, might not. We’re only into the 3rd model year of DH, so we’ll see…
 

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You say that, but buying a Shelby has the Prestige and linage. The Dark horse has none of that. They sold every 20-22 Shelby's but the DH are sitting on lots. It matters more then you think.

Maybe I'm vain but if you had the option to buy the same car named DHSC or SHELBY which one would you pick?
Personally, I don;t think it's really the name that is the issue, although YES off course Shelby or Cobra or Boss are all names that carry much more weight and value (as far as names goes).

The real issue lies in what the Dark Horse name has come to mean to us now that we have had time to let the dust settle.

"Dark Horse" was coined by someone on this forum as part of a Ford collab with the public (which was a brilliant move) and I believe that guy got a nice little royalty check for it. The name "Dark Horse," when we first heard it sounded perfect. We all thought it was going to be the name for what became the ..ahem... "nite pony" package. That's how ford had surrounded the poll. But then something happened and it became the step up from the GT, previously occupied by the Boss and Mach 1 models.

We were OK with it as its own thing.. well kinda. At this point, the Dark Horse was basically in line with the Mach 1 as far as performance goes and for a supposed all new generation of Mustang, it really should have just been the GT. And that's where the Dark Horse stared ticking people off. It was expensive for no reason and wasn't anything close to what a new Boss, GT350, or Mach 1 replacement should have been. It should have been called and priced as the GT - as that's what the GT should be by now.

But I digress... Since the Dark Horse was an OK but not amazing step up from the Gt, we all expected a Boss or GT350 or maybe a GT500 or Cobra to leapfrog all that coming up next.

so what came next? the 6 year old GT500! But with some upgrades so people don't get to upset. this car couldn't really carry the GT500 name (since it wasn't special enough), so they originally thought to call it "Boss," which actually would have been OK (minus some NA purists who would decry the forced induction) since it upgrades what we have expected from. Boss. The boost and DCT automatically make it special for a model that has lacked both. But it certainly could not have been a GT500 - since those mark gigantic performance leaps each generation - and this wouldn't do that. Hence "Boss." Only the board probably realized they're in enough hot water and don't need NA fans not buying the car due to the supercharger. So they figured "Dark Horse SC."

And that was a mighty mistake. Ford apparently didn't get the memo that people equate the DH brand with overpriced, underdelivering mid status. But at least they're consistent with the SC too because that's what we think of it as well. Pricing is TBA as is power. But we likely know about where each lands.

So it's not the name itself that is offensive. It's what that name has come to represent. It's an exercise in branding gone wrong. Branding it everything about you and your product, not just a name, badge, and color scheme. "Dark Horse" as a name had promise when it started off. Where it went wrong was becoming an underperforming (for its time) expensive mess of a brand. We would have been fine with a Dark Horse so long as it meant we could still get something better soon enough. But no, Ford has to go and use this mid status to REPLACE the legendary status vehicles/nameplates we were used to.

Consider the advent of the GT350. One professional driver called it "weapons-grade superpower." What a freaking statement. Then the GT500 came out and people called it a "cheat code" for unbelievable performance. Look at the Gen 5 Boss. Then look at the leaps and bounds it made to become the 2016 GT350. then look at the 2013 GT500 compared to the 2020. Sure, it was only about a 100 hp jump, but the DCT was a huge deal as was the suspension and handling capability. Generational leap.

Then the DH comes out and it's about what the old Mach 1 was. Only more expensive and...that's about it. Oh wait.. new stickers.

So yeah, the car itself would be great - 6 years ago. And the name would be OK if we could still have our Shelby's, Cobras, Bosses, etc.

But if Ford is trying to REPLACE legendary status nameplates that require big time R&D and care in order to do them justice - with "Dark Horse" that Ford can just use OLD Shelby's as the R&D for... then the name becomes offensive. It's not that people are ungrateful up on th name. They are literally offended by what the name MEANS.
 
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Hmm, I hear, "I won't buy it cause it's not named a Shelby". Maybe God quit letting Shelby out of Heaven to build cars. Just a thought.
Not the case at all for me. I️ have owned several mustangs over the years. I️ own A 500 now. Yes it is a Shelby and carries that heritage, but that is not the reason I️ will Not buy a DHSC. Ford simply did not do enough to get me to trade. Why would I️ trade My 500 when it has the same 5.2, transmission and supercharger? I️ have switched mine to a whipple, added carbon fiber, and upgraded my suspension. It will run with the DHSC, handle as well and in my opinion looks better. If Ford would have knocked it out of the park then I️ would have considered trading in my Shelby. So Ford basically took the pinnacle of mustangs in the 500 that was attainable and just slid the DHSC beside it with not many improvements on the design. It’s not me swinging from Shelby’s nuts, it’s just the new one is the 500 slapped into an S650 body with a few mods. Ask yourself why would you pay for that when you own a 500? Would you in my position? Bet you wouldn’t.
 

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I get what you’re saying, but I think what Ford is trying to do is create a new lineage. The names like Boss, Cobra, Shelby, etc just don’t resonate with the next generation of enthusiasts like they do with us. We grew up with those names, they didn’t. So Ford is trying to create something new for the new generations. Might work, might not. We’re only into the 3rd model year of DH, so we’ll see…
Totally agree The Shelby badge doesn't make the vehicle(If that was true the Daytona Z would a awesome car) it compliments it. I'm a car first and then type of person
 

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Not the case at all for me. I️ have owned several mustangs over the years. I️ own A 500 now. Yes it is a Shelby and carries that heritage, but that is not the reason I️ will Not buy a DHSC. Ford simply did not do enough to get me to trade. Why would I️ trade My 500 when it has the same 5.2, transmission and supercharger? I️ have switched mine to a whipple, added carbon fiber, and upgraded my suspension. It will run with the DHSC, handle as well and in my opinion looks better. If Ford would have knocked it out of the park then I️ would have considered trading in my Shelby. So Ford basically took the pinnacle of mustangs in the 500 that was attainable and just slid the DHSC beside it with not many improvements on the design. It’s not me swinging from Shelby’s nuts, it’s just the new one is the 500 slapped into an S650 body with a few mods. Ask yourself why would you pay for that when you own a 500? Would you in my position? Bet you wouldn’t.
Not a lot of people own a 500. I wish I did. Traded my Mach 1 for a C8. Too many drive train issues on my 2021. Because of ergonomics (bad back) I might be looking again at Mustang. The new SC would be a step up. But should I look for a 500 used and be happy. I will go and look at it when my small Town dealer get one???

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Not the case at all for me. I️ have owned several mustangs over the years. I️ own A 500 now. Yes it is a Shelby and carries that heritage, but that is not the reason I️ will Not buy a DHSC. Ford simply did not do enough to get me to trade. Why would I️ trade My 500 when it has the same 5.2, transmission and supercharger? I️ have switched mine to a whipple, added carbon fiber, and upgraded my suspension. It will run with the DHSC, handle as well and in my opinion looks better. If Ford would have knocked it out of the park then I️ would have considered trading in my Shelby. So Ford basically took the pinnacle of mustangs in the 500 that was attainable and just slid the DHSC beside it with not many improvements on the design. It’s not me swinging from Shelby’s nuts, it’s just the new one is the 500 slapped into an S650 body with a few mods. Ask yourself why would you pay for that when you own a 500? Would you in my position? Bet you wouldn’t.
Yes this is me 100%. Ford got lazy. The car is amazing performance wise(The carbon ceramics are intriguing), but nothing new to get me excited. I'm not even considering a change. Now AWD, Godzilla or something improved and fresh. Looks are subjective but I see too much ZL1.
 

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I get what you’re saying, but I think what Ford is trying to do is create a new lineage. The names like Boss, Cobra, Shelby, etc just don’t resonate with the next generation of enthusiasts like they do with us. We grew up with those names, they didn’t. So Ford is trying to create something new for the new generations. Might work, might not. We’re only into the 3rd model year of DH, so we’ll see…
The problems with that are mutlfold:

1. A new lineage is not needed or wanted.
2. The new lineage needed to be something way more than a name change.
3. This new lineage brand has proven itself to mean nothing more than mid performance at premium prices.

It's just a bad decision that has a decent part in the woes of the this generation.

Ford took us to the future with the 2016 GT350. Then did it again with the GT500. With the Dark Horse, Ford is just taking us to the past since the Dark Horse is basically on hold Mach 1 and the Dark Horse SC is basically a refined 6 year old GT500.

If Ford wanted to take us to the future, give us a new high performance chassis that doesn't weigh so much along with twin turbo v8s, electric hybrids that give us AWD "for free." and take the performance to the future, not yesteryear. And that's what the dArk Horse is - yesteryear masquerading as something new with a sticker.

Ford's Dark Horse is the theme of this generation - bare minumium investment for highest return on that investment. In order words, Ford spends hardly anything, but charges us as if they invested in a true new generation of Mustang performance. In reality it's last generation performance at tomorrow's prices.

So if Ford wants to start a "new" lineage, they're clearly doing it wrong.
 

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Not a lot of people own a 500. I wish I did. Traded my Mach 1 for a C8. Too many drive train issues on my 2021. Because of ergonomics (bad back) I might be looking again at Mustang. The new SC would be a step up. But should I look for a 500 used and be happy. I will go and look at it when my small Town dealer get one???

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Honestly, where you're coming from, just get the new DHSC. Depending on price, it will e a bit faster than the GT500 and will be brand new.

We have our issues with the DHSC, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a place.

If I were in your shoes, I'd get the new car. But I'd probably get a body kit to cover the factory aesthetic. LOL.

If you can find a low mileage, pristine GT500 at a bargain, that would be great since it looks great too,

Just depends on what the price ends up being.
 

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If you can find a low mileage, pristine GT500 at a bargain, that would be great since it looks great too
I predict that GT500 prices will continue to hold fast. There really are no bargains, I've been keeping an eye on them.
 

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Blah blah blah not a shelby blah blah blah. The sc looks awesome and ford will sell every 1 of them
 

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Blah blah blah not a shelby blah blah blah. The sc looks awesome and ford will sell every 1 of them
Exactly that along with all the upgrades it has over the Shelby (sorry guys)
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