ESS Supercharger on My Mach 1

[ChitownStang]

Drew is a good dude and knows his shit! I’m assuming he’s doing your tuning as well? I’m following along because I’ll likely go this route with my car.
Yeah, If I do it Drew is the guy for sure.
He did my 15gt suspension and I was very happy. Good reputation


Please fun police….plenty of spots to stretch the cars legs, just need to know where to go. I’ve had no issue having fun on the street with a higher horsepower car.

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[2020fordraptor]

Hey guys, seriously considering an ESS on my 21 Mach 10-speed w/Wengerd tune and 28k miles.
Looking for opinions and answers to some questions from those that may have experience with the ESS.
I'm coming up on 4 years of ownership and the car is solid, done all the maintenance and upgrades so far on my own. Was thinking about trading the car in for something else with a stick but not really wanting a new car payment.
Not a daily but I drive year round in dry weather with 275/19 rear all-seasons for the Chicago winter and 275/19 Summer tires for warm weather. I don't drag race, but may casually hit the track every once in a while.
Planning on doing the lowest boost ,125mm pulley, gt500 injectors, plugs, and 170deg t-stat. No headers, stock Cats.

So here are my questions and concerns-

-Does a super charger greatly lessen the life of my Coyote?
-Will I need bigger tires to hook up or am I ok for a while?
-Will I be able to pass emissions still?
-Do I need to run 5w50 oil
-will the stock cats hold up ok
-does the Intercooler affect any of the Mach 1 coolers when installed?
-Overall is it worth $8000

My installer said 8-10 hours at $130hr which is way less than another quote I got for $2k
Also going to have him change the trans fluid to Amsoil with additive and rear diff while he's under there.

Should I do it? Wife is requiring contract saying I keep the car for 4 more years if I do it.. LOL

Modding anything beyond stock has the possibility to shorten the life of the motor. If you treat it nice though and keep it within safe limits you’ll be fine. Tire size is only part of the story, tire compound is what matters the most. You don’t necessarily need new tires, it’s just a matter of how little you want to spin the tires on WOT.

 

[IconicTNSnake]

I️ have Been curious about the ESS superchargers. I️ have a 500 that I️ am Installing a whipple on and a buddy is getting my stock supercharger. Wonder if he would be better off and possibly cheaper going ESS route?

 

[Kirill]

Hey, guys,

anybody has 60-130 results on ess g3 100 pulley? or dyno result? or 1/4 mile?

kindly share please even on other pulleys

 

[John S]

One more fuel system concern, will the stock fuel system with GT500 injectors handle e85 on the 125mm pully. (I keep reading it's better to run 93 but even with 125mm?)

 

[engineermike]

@John S Stock pump too?

 

[LOL WUT]

One more fuel system concern, will the stock fuel system with GT500 injectors handle e85 on the 125mm pully. (I keep reading it's better to run 93 but even with 125mm?)

GT500 Injectors should handle it. However if you’re on the stock pump I’d probably suggest upgrading it. Also, good luck with tuning if you’re going with the standard Lund, Wengerd, etc. as they are often adverse to tuning stock pump/non return E85 with boost.

 

[2020fordraptor]

One more fuel system concern, will the stock fuel system with GT500 injectors handle e85 on the 125mm pully. (I keep reading it's better to run 93 but even with 125mm?)

IMO you need a full upgraded fuel system to safely run e85. Stock pumps won’t be happy with the extra flow needed.

 

[engineermike]

You can get away with a stock pump on a bap at limited boost but your tuner had better know what he’s doing. Dw400 at 22 volts would be preferable.

 

[monte87]

Hey guys, seriously considering an ESS on my 21 Mach 10-speed w/Wengerd tune and 28k miles.
Looking for opinions and answers to some questions from those that may have experience with the ESS.
I'm coming up on 4 years of ownership and the car is solid, done all the maintenance and upgrades so far on my own. Was thinking about trading the car in for something else with a stick but not really wanting a new car payment.
Not a daily but I drive year round in dry weather with 275/19 rear all-seasons for the Chicago winter and 275/19 Summer tires for warm weather. I don't drag race, but may casually hit the track every once in a while.
Planning on doing the lowest boost ,125mm pulley, gt500 injectors, plugs, and 170deg t-stat. No headers, stock Cats.

So here are my questions and concerns-

-Does a super charger greatly lessen the life of my Coyote?
-Will I need bigger tires to hook up or am I ok for a while?
-Will I be able to pass emissions still?
-Do I need to run 5w50 oil
-will the stock cats hold up ok
-does the Intercooler affect any of the Mach 1 coolers when installed?
-Overall is it worth $8000

My installer said 8-10 hours at $130hr which is way less than another quote I got for $2k
Also going to have him change the trans fluid to Amsoil with additive and rear diff while he's under there.

Should I do it? Wife is requiring contract saying I keep the car for 4 more years if I do it.. LOL

Hey-
My experince w ROUSH phase 2 blower cars being an add on and a born STAGE 3 car. I have learned that blowing CATS after being blown was and is a usual occurance, SADLY..... and yes you will have to goto 5W50 oil for sure. I cant speak on ESS or centrifual blowers as i always had roots style on both.
Hope i helped!
Anthony

p.s. Roush tunes are the most conservative on the planet lol and i always had 93 octane in stang, so i have no clue why CATS were always blowing.. I traded in cars, wasnt worth the aggravation dealing w dealers and warranties.

 

[M1-Fan]

... Roush tunes are the most conservative on the planet lol and i always had 93 octane in stang, so i have no clue why CATS were always blowing.. I traded in cars, wasnt worth the aggravation dealing w dealers and warranties.

These are exactly the aggravations I dont need on a track purpose car. In my 1st year of ownership and tracking my stock 2022 Mach1 HP, Ive had three unusual breakdowns. One of the mishap (#1 - burnt fuel pump) left me stranded at the track. Other two also caused at different tracks, ie, #2: driver side half shaft and wheel bearing developed play and clunking noise. #3 - alternator damaged due to overload at high RPM's. All of the issues were covered under warranty, thanks to the great service at my local dealership.

I dont know what is going on with quality control and inventory management but OEM car parts are almost allways back ordered, and typically take 1-2 weeks to arrive at dealership. Due to this, my Mach1 was offline for a few weeks waiting for the fuel pump ...

The car is already somewhat unreliable in stock format, so I think forced induction (supercharger or turbo) will only make reliability worse, and add heat management/heatsoak to the equation. The car has to survive 4-7 stints of 20 to 45 minutes during a typical HPDE/road track day.

For comparison, I road-tracked a second hand tuned and track prepped 2011 BMW 135i for 8 years, and only ran into a minor issue, ie , a damaged battery cable due to engine movement caused by extra torque and weak stock engine mounts.

 

[Fred Luehrs]

I just don’t want the volume, it a definite deal breaker to go headers.
I’m 46 and still want the wife to get in the car.

You will need headers, just dont go catless and keep your mufflers on and maybe even the resonator. you may want OPGs if you going to boost also. Have you thought about going E85 full bolt on with a good tune first. the only $ you would waste would be on your CAI.

 

[The Watchman]

There are pages with hundreds upon hundreds of posts discussing these details of boost and what not.

These cars open up greatly with aftermarket tuners, especially the 10r80 equipped s550.

You will definitely want to consider e85 for boost, even if it’s only for the sake of motor integrity. You don’t have to pulley down on E, you can run a larger pulley at low boost on E and give yourself piece of mind and prolong your motor…

 

[ChitownStang]

You will need headers, just dont go catless and keep your mufflers on and maybe even the resonator. you may want OPGs if you going to boost also. Have you thought about going E85 full bolt on with a good tune first. the only $ you would waste would be on your CAI.

I’ve already got a Flex tune from Wengerd so really no in between where I’m at power wise and Supercharger that I know of.
It’s starting to look like a $12k+ venture which I’m probably not going to do after all your feedback.

 

[monte87]

These are exactly the aggravations I dont need on a track purpose car. In my 1st year of ownership and tracking my stock 2022 Mach1 HP, Ive had three unusual breakdowns. One of the mishap (#1 - burnt fuel pump) left me stranded at the track. Other two also caused at different tracks, ie, #2: driver side half shaft and wheel bearing developed play and clunking noise. #3 - alternator damaged due to overload at high RPM's. All of the issues were covered under warranty, thanks to the great service at my local dealership.

I dont know what is going on with quality control and inventory management but OEM car parts are almost allways back ordered, and typically take 1-2 weeks to arrive at dealership. Due to this, my Mach1 was offline for a few weeks waiting for the fuel pump ...

The car is already somewhat unreliable in stock format, so I think forced induction (supercharger or turbo) will only make reliability worse, and add heat management/heatsoak to the equation. The car has to survive 4-7 stints of 20 to 45 minutes during a typical HPDE/road track day.

For comparison, I road-tracked a second hand tuned and track prepped 2011 BMW 135i for 8 years, and only ran into a minor issue, ie , a damaged battery cable due to engine movement caused by extra torque and weak stock engine mounts.

Hey M1-Fan,
"#2: driver side half shaft and wheel bearing developed play and clunking noise" --> I had same exact issue, my Mach is a 2023.. Dealer stated it was a known issue on the Mach's, for whatever reason.... Just a heads up!
I totally agree with you, the blower will stress all components, especially the CATS. If i was ever to supercharge my stang, I would just get a GT500 and call it a day. It seems that they have no issue from factory w blower set up, CATS or anything.. Thats the mental PEACEFUL route i would go.
Anthony

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