Juggernaut Tuning, Slow and Incompetent

[80FoxCoupe]

In for results on how this goes....

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[tdstuart]

In for results on how this goes....

There is a whole thread about it. Search TDStuart Tuning Adventure. Long boring read with many off topic things.

I have the very basics down, getting the maf data in, injector data in, changing rev limiters, etc. It takes a long time and with the new job I haven’t had the time I need to put into it.

I am at the point where I am comfortable making minor changes and messing with things but I need to learn more about spark, transmission tuning, and fuel tuning.

 

[Wengerd Performance]

Are you reading back files into pcmtec and editing with that?

 

[tdstuart]

Are you reading back files into pcmtec and editing with that?

I am tuning with pcmtec. Right now I am just running a Lund tune for daily driving

 

[tdstuart]

I have the Arcane fuel system by Juggernaut. I had some self inflicted issues and some not self inflicted. When I reached out to them I NEVER got a response, and that is both by email on their "contact us" tab on their website and also by phone. The only time they communicated with me was after a poster here, who is friends with them, reached out and they got back to me once, out of probably 6-8 times trying to contact them. The Arcane fuel system is very nice, mostly because they use quality Radium components, but their customer service is absolutely horrible.

Yep communication is absolutely terrible with them. Okay your tune sucks but atleast have good communication.

I had a smaller tuner try tuning my car and we had problems but atleast he would call and text me and was clearly trying to figure out what was wrong

 

[beefcake]

sorry you weren't happy, i looked through the ticket a little.

looks like something was off initially on the car based on the intital ticket, not sure what as the 60-130 you had mentioned dropped off by almost a second with the new engine with the same tune you had run previously

" Car spun a bearing and I rebuilt the motor with the exact same setup. Car went from running low 9 second 60-130 to a 10 second flat 60-130. Not sure what’s wrong, Lund said the logs looked fine but load was lower than before. I saw some weird exhaust cam phaser data but nothing concrete or consistent. Recently put on a PMAS fenderwell and switched tuners and that tuner just couldn’t tune the car. Not the PMAS fault tho as car runs fine on my old Lund JLT tune as the maf diameters are pretty close. "

last response i see is on on 5/28 where it looked like you were spinning from the log they said and sent another revision, but never got a log back. spinning on the shift can cause short shifts.

" Triston, Please load up R7 and get another hit. It appears in the log that you are experiencing wheel spin, which I believe is throwing off the shift schedule. Is the car spinning on the 1->2? "

When they don't get a log back, they assume your happy with everyhing.

again, sorry you weren't happy, i know they try their best, and great guys, i know our 1300 wheel 10 speed shifts amazing, but ultimately that doesn't help you. Sorry they didn't meet your expectation.

 

[tdstuart]

sorry you weren't happy, i looked through the ticket a little.

looks like something was off initially on the car based on the intital ticket, not sure what as the 60-130 you had mentioned dropped off by almost a second with the new engine with the same tune you had run previously

" Car spun a bearing and I rebuilt the motor with the exact same setup. Car went from running low 9 second 60-130 to a 10 second flat 60-130. Not sure what’s wrong, Lund said the logs looked fine but load was lower than before. I saw some weird exhaust cam phaser data but nothing concrete or consistent. Recently put on a PMAS fenderwell and switched tuners and that tuner just couldn’t tune the car. Not the PMAS fault tho as car runs fine on my old Lund JLT tune as the maf diameters are pretty close. "

last response i see is on on 5/28 where it looked like you were spinning from the log they said and sent another revision, but never got a log back. spinning on the shift can cause short shifts.

" Triston, Please load up R7 and get another hit. It appears in the log that you are experiencing wheel spin, which I believe is throwing off the shift schedule. Is the car spinning on the 1->2? "

When they don't get a log back, they assume your happy with everyhing.

again, sorry you weren't happy, i know they try their best, and great guys, i know our 1300 wheel 10 speed shifts amazing, but ultimately that doesn't help you. Sorry they didn't meet your expectation.

The car isn’t spinning at the top of 2nd or 3rd gear where it was short shifting. If anything it would be spinning 1st gear where is was over revving. No other tuner has had an issue. Wengerd, Lund, unnamed small tuner, all had the car shifting exactly where they wanted with the base tune.

The point is I shouldn’t have to wait 3 weeks to barely get any responses and get a tune that can’t even shift properly. Why is it taking 3+ weeks to get a tune that can shift properly with a completely stock trans and converter, have they ever tuned a 6r80 car or am I their new hires test dummy?

I tested their R7 tune and had the same result but was at that point so frustrated with the poor customer service and poor tunes I gave up and decided if I was going to spend hours on this every day with them doing data logs I might aswell learn a new skill.

I feel like we could at least agree their customer service is poor, even Lund is better. Wengerd is 1000x better. Hell the self tuners on this forum who are helping me in their free time not getting paid are 100x better. And when I ask you about it you tell me I need to pay more for an already expensive tune so they will pay attention to me…

 

[beefcake]

The car isn’t spinning at the top of 2nd or 3rd gear where it was short shifting. If anything it would be spinning 1st gear where is was over revving. No other tuner has had an issue. Wengerd, Lund, unnamed small tuner, all had the car shifting exactly where they wanted with the base tune.

The point is I shouldn’t have to wait 3 weeks to barely get any responses and get a tune that can’t even shift properly. Why is it taking 3+ weeks to get a tune that can shift properly with a completely stock trans and converter, have they ever tuned a 6r80 car or am I their new hires test dummy?

I tested their R7 tune and had the same result but was at that point so frustrated with the poor customer service and poor tunes I gave up and decided if I was going to spend hours on this every day with them doing data logs I might aswell learn a new skill.

I feel like we could at least agree their customer service is poor, even Lund is better. Wengerd is 1000x better. Hell the self tuners on this forum who are helping me in their free time not getting paid are 100x better. And when I ask you about it you tell me I need to pay more for an already expensive tune so they will pay attention to me…

pay more? tuning is a set price with the. they don’t charge extra for dedicated remote tuning sessions

you can tune on the street at your pace or you can set up dedicated block time as well. with dedicated session and knock it all out at once. same price for either.

I can’t see all the time stamps. I didn’t think that they were taking three weeks to respond. If that is long, I would agree.

typically 2 days max is what you should expect on non dedicated sessions

 

[tdstuart]

pay more? tuning is a set price with the. they don’t charge extra for dedicated remote tuning sessions

you can tune on the street at your pace or you can set up dedicated block time as well. with dedicated session and knock it all out at once. same price for either.

I can’t see all the time stamps. I didn’t think that they were taking three weeks to respond. If that is long, I would agree.

typically 2 days max is what you should expect on non dedicated sessions

Here is where I messaged you about them taking a long time to respond and your response which lead me to believe that if I wanted better service I had to pay more money. I was frustrated so I didn't end up messaging them about exact pricing or times. :

They usually get them back quick. If you want to schedule a block of time with them you can. Just have to let them know you want to and they'll let you know dates they have and then you'll be able to send logs and get revisions pretty quick. Similar to doing a dyno session, would just be on the street instead.

I assume they charge for that? Do you know what hours they typically work and what time zone?

They're on EST.

They may charge a small remote session fee, would be through them. Typically 8am/9am-5pm EST but if you shoot them a message in your support ticket they can confirm pricing, hours and schedule.

You say 2 days max as a response time which to me seems excessive. I attached the full conversation chain. I think they did a decent job in the first few days but then responses started taking more than a day. You can see one of the last responses took 5 days. In my personal opinion, I think taking 3 weeks to not even get shift points working right on a stock 6r80 trans is crazy.

Spoiler: Long Email Conversation

JPT (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 28, 2024, 4:37 PM EDT Triston, Please load up R7 and get another hit. It appears in the log that you are experiencing wheel spin, which I believe is throwing off the shift schedule. Is the car spinning on the 1->2? Attachment(s) Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R7.cef

Triston Stuart May 28, 2024, 1:55 PM EDT Yep car has the stock converter. In my experience stall is just over 2k

JPT (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 28, 2024, 1:07 PM EDT Hi Triston, Does this car have the stock converter?

Triston Stuart May 23, 2024, 5:31 PM EDT Here is the log. Attachment(s) 9Plus R6 Pull 1.csv

Triston Stuart May 23, 2024, 3:43 PM EDT Sounds good, I’ll get those logs later today.

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 23, 2024, 3:24 PM EDT I did, just got to review it. The transmission is not doing what we commanded it to, so we are attaching a new configuration file for logging the transmission. I've also attached a new revision so that it does not shift above 8k. Use this new config to record a fresh log so that we can see why the transmission is not shifting when commanded. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) JCT_LiveLink_Current_Auto R3.cf4 Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R6.cef

Triston Stuart May 23, 2024, 11:49 AM EDT Did you get my email reply with the requested log?

Triston Stuart May 21, 2024, 8:02 PM EDT Car shifted at like 8,300 rpm in first then short shifted 2nd and 3rd really bad. There are a couple pulls in that file with it shifting on its own. I tried it in track mode and in normal mode with tc off, still short shifted. Car is making more power up top. Looks like you guys changed the intake cam timing a bit and that seems to have helped. Still really slow on the low end though based off a dragy pull I did with paddle shifters thats not logged. Once you get the shifting points figured out you should try setting the exhaust cam to 30* advanced and retard the intake cam a bit more having it hit 0* at 8k rpm like Lund does. Also if you could have it shift a bit earlier so it hits like 8000-8100 on the shifts not 8300 that would be great. Based on the manifold I think revving it past 8k is just gonna hurt the power and no reason to spin it faster if its not going faster haha. Thanks! Log attached Attachment(s) 9Plus R5 Pull 1.csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 21, 2024, 12:57 PM EDT That looks pretty good. Added a few degrees of timing. I also turned off anticipated shifting so that it should go to 8000 before shifting. If it goes higher than wanted let off and let us know so that we can adjust. Go ahead and flash this new file and log a single pull for us. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R5.cef

Triston Stuart May 20, 2024, 3:58 PM EDT Here is a log of it auto shifting with traction control fully off. I put it in drive then floored it. Attachment(s) 9Plus R4 HS Pull 2 (Auto).csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 20, 2024, 10:28 AM EDT We are still getting your base tune dialed in, so it is not at a point where it should be compared yet. Once we get fueling dialed in we can dial in timing, which on 91 we tend to keep conservative, especially to start. Once we get the log of the car shifting on its own we can make more adjustments for you. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 17, 2024, 5:58 PM EDT Okay I will do that later when I get the chance. Its been my experience that the car pulls to about 7,800 so maybe we should be targeting a commanded shift at like 7,700/7,800? The only thing I can think that is making a difference is the vct timing. I doubt such a huge difference would be in a few degrees of timing or shifting strategy, etc. For now here is the comparison logs of the R4 tune vs my old Lund tune. All of these recorded on the same night, tc off, same road, tried to shift at the same points, etc. I do want to point out the Lund tune is technically for my old JLT so if the maf data seems a little off with it thats why. Run #1 (JPT R4 Tune) 12.68 - Logged with SCT Run #2 (JPT R4 Tune) 12.71 - Logged with Ngauge Run #3 (Lund Tune) 10.59 - Logged with Ngauge Photos and labeled logs attached. Let me know what you think! Attachment(s) Lund 91 COMPARE (RUN ##3 - 10.59) NGAUGE.csv 9Plus R4 HS COMPARE (RUN ##2 - 12.71).csv 9Plus R4 HS COMPARE (RUN ##1 - 12.68) NGAUGE.csv

Jonathan Bowen (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 17, 2024, 5:16 PM EDT Please do a full pull through the gears with it in normal mode, traction control off, without using paddles so we know we are looking at the right data when making the changes to the shifting behavior. If you want anticipated shifting off, with 8000 RPM commanded on every single shift (which takes 200-400 rpm to complete so realistically a 8500 limiter with an 8000 commanded shift) we can set it up that way. As far as power, different sections of your log you are making different timing based on the knock sensor readings. For E85 we can command as much timing as you'd like, with knock sensor control turned down, but we do not suggest this on mediocre quality gasoline. Let us know! And please get a single pull log where it goes thru the gears on its own (normal mode, trac off). If you'd like to send logs of someone elses file for review we will happily review as well. Jon Bowen - JPT When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 17, 2024, 3:33 PM EDT I went out and tested that tune vs and old lune tune I had. The tune ran a 12.7 vs the Lund tune 10.5 60-130. I have logs of it all if you want. And I think in that log the first pull is with it in drive and second one is where I use the paddle shifters.

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 17, 2024, 3:26 PM EDT It is not on reduced power, but it is still getting dialed in. It looks like it was shifting at about 7600 in that last log, and then it shifts later in the log at 7900. Was the 7900 a manual shift? Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 16, 2024, 4:35 PM EDT Okay here is the pull. Car feels slow, is this on a reduced power tune or anything like that? Also car is still short shifting in drive. If the car isn't on a reduced power maybe we should play with vct timing? I know my Lund logs show way different cam timing then these show. Attachment(s) 9Plus R4 HS Pull 1.csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 16, 2024, 2:34 PM EDT Yes, the tune accounts for the cams. We assumed you had opg's as well, but just wanted to make sure. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 16, 2024, 2:32 PM EDT Thank you I’ll get a log later today. And yes car has upgraded opg, upgraded secondary chains, upgraded valve springs, and upgraded tensioners. Been revving to 8k daily for like 15k miles now and hasn’t blown yet haha. You saw I have upgraded cams too? Thanks again man!

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 16, 2024, 12:45 PM EDT We usually stick to 7500-7600 just to be safe. Did you upgrade oil pump gears when you redid the engine? This file has the rev limit set to 8100 rpm and commanded WOT shifts at 8000 rpm. Anticipated shifting is on, so it may occur a little before 8000 rpm. Keep in mind that this is well above our normal setup for a car with these mods, and by shifting that high and revving that high you are fully accepting the risks involved to both engine, trans, driveshaft, etc. Here is your file! Log another pull for us to review after you load it. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R4 HIGH SHIFTS.cef

Triston Stuart May 15, 2024, 7:44 PM EDT Went out and did another pull. Car is definitely short shifting. I did a pull with it shifting and one with me shifting close to rpm limit. Are you just setting it low because its the base tune? I've always had the car shifting at about 8k. Both the first drive and this one I just did are attached. The first file is the one I sent you last email. Attachment(s) 9Plus R3 Pull 2.csv 9Plus R3 Pull 1.csv

Triston Stuart May 15, 2024, 7:18 PM EDT Car seems like its short shifting for some reason. I left it in drive (track mode, full tc off) after flooring it in first. Ill go get another log and see if the rpm limiter is set short for some reason. Attachment(s) 9Plus R3 Pull 1.csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 15, 2024, 6:40 PM EDT That looked good! I adjusted the fueling just a bit, and added a little more timing. Your fuel looks like it's really good quality. Go ahead and flash this new revision in and record another pull when you get the chance. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R3.cef

Triston Stuart May 15, 2024, 6:16 PM EDT Here is the pull, you might have to scroll a bit.. It was a first, 2nd, and part of 3rd. I was in paddle shift mode in first so it smacked the limiter a few times then I put it in drive for 2->3. Attachment(s) R2 Pull 1.csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 15, 2024, 5:55 PM EDT Those look good. You can go ahead and log a single wide-open-throttle pull next. Ensure traction control is turned off for the pull. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 15, 2024, 1:51 PM EDT Attachments available until June 14, 2024. Okay here is a cold to hot idle log and the driving log you requested! Download from iCloud R2 light drive.csv 47.7 MB​ Download from iCloud R2 Cold to Hot Idle.csv 41.3 MB​

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 15, 2024, 10:17 AM EDT That looks good. You can go ahead an log a few minutes of cruising. Try to drive at 40-50mph with a slight load on the car for a few minutes. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 14, 2024, 7:32 PM EDT Here is a datalog of it idling. Car was already hot, let me know if you want a cold datalog too. Attachment(s) R2.csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 13, 2024, 12:54 PM EDT Sounds good, here is an updated file for the thermostat. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R2.cef

Triston Stuart May 13, 2024, 12:12 PM EDT Hey Mike thanks for the quick response with the base tune. I think I forgot the mention the car also has a 170* thermostat so the fan temps may need to be adjusted. I should have the act device tomorrow so I can load it and get logs. Thank you!

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 13, 2024, 11:02 AM EDT Good morning, Your base 91 octane tune is attached, along with instructions on loading the tune to your device and how to datalog. Please load the tune to the vehicle and then send us a log consisting of the following: idle to full temperature. Verify your active exhaust functions if applicable and that you have no engine oil pressure warnings. If issues are present in relation to either, proceed with the log and just let us know so we can adjust on our end. Let us know if you have any questions! Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) Customer_LiveLink_Config_Instructions_V1.pdf JCT_LiveLink_Current_Flex_R2.cf4 Customer_Load_Tune_to_Device_SCT_Instructions.pdf Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R1.cef

Triston Stuart May 10, 2024, 4:33 PM EDT IMRC adapter harness to keep the imrc function. Cams have no lockout or limiters

Jonathan Bowen (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 10, 2024, 4:07 PM EDT Triston, To confirm you are using IMRC pigtail adapters, or do you mean lockout adapters. Also, any limiters or locks on cams or full function? Jon Bowen - JPT When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

 

[larr12]

After all the posts, I have one question: Where is Matt now?

 

[beefcake]

Here is where I messaged you about them taking a long time to respond and your response which lead me to believe that if I wanted better service I had to pay more money. I was frustrated so I didn't end up messaging them about exact pricing or times. :




You say 2 days max as a response time which to me seems excessive. I attached the full conversation chain. I think they did a decent job in the first few days but then responses started taking more than a day. You can see one of the last responses took 5 days. In my personal opinion, I think taking 3 weeks to not even get shift points working right on a stock 6r80 trans is crazy.

Spoiler: Long Email Conversation

JPT (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 28, 2024, 4:37 PM EDT Triston, Please load up R7 and get another hit. It appears in the log that you are experiencing wheel spin, which I believe is throwing off the shift schedule. Is the car spinning on the 1->2? Attachment(s) Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R7.cef

Triston Stuart May 28, 2024, 1:55 PM EDT Yep car has the stock converter. In my experience stall is just over 2k

JPT (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 28, 2024, 1:07 PM EDT Hi Triston, Does this car have the stock converter?

Triston Stuart May 23, 2024, 5:31 PM EDT Here is the log. Attachment(s) 9Plus R6 Pull 1.csv

Triston Stuart May 23, 2024, 3:43 PM EDT Sounds good, I’ll get those logs later today.

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 23, 2024, 3:24 PM EDT I did, just got to review it. The transmission is not doing what we commanded it to, so we are attaching a new configuration file for logging the transmission. I've also attached a new revision so that it does not shift above 8k. Use this new config to record a fresh log so that we can see why the transmission is not shifting when commanded. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) JCT_LiveLink_Current_Auto R3.cf4 Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R6.cef

Triston Stuart May 23, 2024, 11:49 AM EDT Did you get my email reply with the requested log?

Triston Stuart May 21, 2024, 8:02 PM EDT Car shifted at like 8,300 rpm in first then short shifted 2nd and 3rd really bad. There are a couple pulls in that file with it shifting on its own. I tried it in track mode and in normal mode with tc off, still short shifted. Car is making more power up top. Looks like you guys changed the intake cam timing a bit and that seems to have helped. Still really slow on the low end though based off a dragy pull I did with paddle shifters thats not logged. Once you get the shifting points figured out you should try setting the exhaust cam to 30* advanced and retard the intake cam a bit more having it hit 0* at 8k rpm like Lund does. Also if you could have it shift a bit earlier so it hits like 8000-8100 on the shifts not 8300 that would be great. Based on the manifold I think revving it past 8k is just gonna hurt the power and no reason to spin it faster if its not going faster haha. Thanks! Log attached Attachment(s) 9Plus R5 Pull 1.csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 21, 2024, 12:57 PM EDT That looks pretty good. Added a few degrees of timing. I also turned off anticipated shifting so that it should go to 8000 before shifting. If it goes higher than wanted let off and let us know so that we can adjust. Go ahead and flash this new file and log a single pull for us. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R5.cef

Triston Stuart May 20, 2024, 3:58 PM EDT Here is a log of it auto shifting with traction control fully off. I put it in drive then floored it. Attachment(s) 9Plus R4 HS Pull 2 (Auto).csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 20, 2024, 10:28 AM EDT We are still getting your base tune dialed in, so it is not at a point where it should be compared yet. Once we get fueling dialed in we can dial in timing, which on 91 we tend to keep conservative, especially to start. Once we get the log of the car shifting on its own we can make more adjustments for you. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 17, 2024, 5:58 PM EDT Okay I will do that later when I get the chance. Its been my experience that the car pulls to about 7,800 so maybe we should be targeting a commanded shift at like 7,700/7,800? The only thing I can think that is making a difference is the vct timing. I doubt such a huge difference would be in a few degrees of timing or shifting strategy, etc. For now here is the comparison logs of the R4 tune vs my old Lund tune. All of these recorded on the same night, tc off, same road, tried to shift at the same points, etc. I do want to point out the Lund tune is technically for my old JLT so if the maf data seems a little off with it thats why. Run #1 (JPT R4 Tune) 12.68 - Logged with SCT Run #2 (JPT R4 Tune) 12.71 - Logged with Ngauge Run #3 (Lund Tune) 10.59 - Logged with Ngauge Photos and labeled logs attached. Let me know what you think! Attachment(s) Lund 91 COMPARE (RUN ##3 - 10.59) NGAUGE.csv 9Plus R4 HS COMPARE (RUN ##2 - 12.71).csv 9Plus R4 HS COMPARE (RUN ##1 - 12.68) NGAUGE.csv

Jonathan Bowen (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 17, 2024, 5:16 PM EDT Please do a full pull through the gears with it in normal mode, traction control off, without using paddles so we know we are looking at the right data when making the changes to the shifting behavior. If you want anticipated shifting off, with 8000 RPM commanded on every single shift (which takes 200-400 rpm to complete so realistically a 8500 limiter with an 8000 commanded shift) we can set it up that way. As far as power, different sections of your log you are making different timing based on the knock sensor readings. For E85 we can command as much timing as you'd like, with knock sensor control turned down, but we do not suggest this on mediocre quality gasoline. Let us know! And please get a single pull log where it goes thru the gears on its own (normal mode, trac off). If you'd like to send logs of someone elses file for review we will happily review as well. Jon Bowen - JPT When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 17, 2024, 3:33 PM EDT I went out and tested that tune vs and old lune tune I had. The tune ran a 12.7 vs the Lund tune 10.5 60-130. I have logs of it all if you want. And I think in that log the first pull is with it in drive and second one is where I use the paddle shifters.

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 17, 2024, 3:26 PM EDT It is not on reduced power, but it is still getting dialed in. It looks like it was shifting at about 7600 in that last log, and then it shifts later in the log at 7900. Was the 7900 a manual shift? Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 16, 2024, 4:35 PM EDT Okay here is the pull. Car feels slow, is this on a reduced power tune or anything like that? Also car is still short shifting in drive. If the car isn't on a reduced power maybe we should play with vct timing? I know my Lund logs show way different cam timing then these show. Attachment(s) 9Plus R4 HS Pull 1.csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 16, 2024, 2:34 PM EDT Yes, the tune accounts for the cams. We assumed you had opg's as well, but just wanted to make sure. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 16, 2024, 2:32 PM EDT Thank you I’ll get a log later today. And yes car has upgraded opg, upgraded secondary chains, upgraded valve springs, and upgraded tensioners. Been revving to 8k daily for like 15k miles now and hasn’t blown yet haha. You saw I have upgraded cams too? Thanks again man!

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 16, 2024, 12:45 PM EDT We usually stick to 7500-7600 just to be safe. Did you upgrade oil pump gears when you redid the engine? This file has the rev limit set to 8100 rpm and commanded WOT shifts at 8000 rpm. Anticipated shifting is on, so it may occur a little before 8000 rpm. Keep in mind that this is well above our normal setup for a car with these mods, and by shifting that high and revving that high you are fully accepting the risks involved to both engine, trans, driveshaft, etc. Here is your file! Log another pull for us to review after you load it. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R4 HIGH SHIFTS.cef

Triston Stuart May 15, 2024, 7:44 PM EDT Went out and did another pull. Car is definitely short shifting. I did a pull with it shifting and one with me shifting close to rpm limit. Are you just setting it low because its the base tune? I've always had the car shifting at about 8k. Both the first drive and this one I just did are attached. The first file is the one I sent you last email. Attachment(s) 9Plus R3 Pull 2.csv 9Plus R3 Pull 1.csv

Triston Stuart May 15, 2024, 7:18 PM EDT Car seems like its short shifting for some reason. I left it in drive (track mode, full tc off) after flooring it in first. Ill go get another log and see if the rpm limiter is set short for some reason. Attachment(s) 9Plus R3 Pull 1.csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 15, 2024, 6:40 PM EDT That looked good! I adjusted the fueling just a bit, and added a little more timing. Your fuel looks like it's really good quality. Go ahead and flash this new revision in and record another pull when you get the chance. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R3.cef

Triston Stuart May 15, 2024, 6:16 PM EDT Here is the pull, you might have to scroll a bit.. It was a first, 2nd, and part of 3rd. I was in paddle shift mode in first so it smacked the limiter a few times then I put it in drive for 2->3. Attachment(s) R2 Pull 1.csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 15, 2024, 5:55 PM EDT Those look good. You can go ahead and log a single wide-open-throttle pull next. Ensure traction control is turned off for the pull. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 15, 2024, 1:51 PM EDT Attachments available until June 14, 2024. Okay here is a cold to hot idle log and the driving log you requested! Download from iCloud R2 light drive.csv 47.7 MB Download from iCloud R2 Cold to Hot Idle.csv 41.3 MB​

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 15, 2024, 10:17 AM EDT That looks good. You can go ahead an log a few minutes of cruising. Try to drive at 40-50mph with a slight load on the car for a few minutes. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Triston Stuart May 14, 2024, 7:32 PM EDT Here is a datalog of it idling. Car was already hot, let me know if you want a cold datalog too. Attachment(s) R2.csv

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 13, 2024, 12:54 PM EDT Sounds good, here is an updated file for the thermostat. Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R2.cef

Triston Stuart May 13, 2024, 12:12 PM EDT Hey Mike thanks for the quick response with the base tune. I think I forgot the mention the car also has a 170* thermostat so the fan temps may need to be adjusted. I should have the act device tomorrow so I can load it and get logs. Thank you!

Mike Yargeau (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 13, 2024, 11:02 AM EDT Good morning, Your base 91 octane tune is attached, along with instructions on loading the tune to your device and how to datalog. Please load the tune to the vehicle and then send us a log consisting of the following: idle to full temperature. Verify your active exhaust functions if applicable and that you have no engine oil pressure warnings. If issues are present in relation to either, proceed with the log and just let us know so we can adjust on our end. Let us know if you have any questions! Michael Yargeau -Juggernaut Performance Tuning Please allow 48 business hours for ticket replies When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business! Attachment(s) Customer_LiveLink_Config_Instructions_V1.pdf JCT_LiveLink_Current_Flex_R2.cf4 Customer_Load_Tune_to_Device_SCT_Instructions.pdf Triston Stuart 15GTA 18IM Cams LU47 PMAS 9Plus R1.cef

Triston Stuart May 10, 2024, 4:33 PM EDT IMRC adapter harness to keep the imrc function. Cams have no lockout or limiters

Jonathan Bowen (Juggernaut Performance Tuning) May 10, 2024, 4:07 PM EDT Triston, To confirm you are using IMRC pigtail adapters, or do you mean lockout adapters. Also, any limiters or locks on cams or full function? Jon Bowen - JPT When submitting a datalog, please add some text to the body of the reply as well. Thank you for your business!

Well, definitely not here to argue. I did look through the entire ticket and every response and the last one did go to three days.

Every other response was within two days most within one day

I always appreciate my customers and their feedback obviously I always take everything personally, i also appreciate my vendors at the same. If something is out of line, I definitely want to make sure it’s addressed, especially when we represent those companies.

I’m being honest yes three days is a little long on a response. I don’t know what was going on there such.

It’s just the topic of the thread appears as if you had an extended timeframe going on for months with lack of communication

It appears there was a lot of communication here a lot of not saying everything was perfect but every set ups different especially when you’re trying to get those 8000 RPM shifts

you have to take weekends out of the equation because unlike me almost nobody answers messages or does anything on the weekends and your last response on the 23rd was after close of business cause it was after 5 PM so they wouldn’t have got that until the 24th and then he had two weekend days in there so it was really a three day response which again I agree is a little bit longer than it probably should be

They’re supposed to be 48 hours max

and again on the dedicated time, I did confirm that there was no extra charge if you wanted to block a dedicated amount of time

and I get being frustrated I’ve got a car that’s been in chassis jail for 22 months to get motor mounts made so I know we all want everything we all want it now and we want it all perfect and I get that and I’m again I’m sorry your experience wasn’t great

But I do think the response isn’t as bad as it appears once you look at the full-time frame all spread out.

We never want anybody to feel cheated though so next time you’re ready for something just remind me and I’ll see if I can do a little extra to help out for you

After all the posts, I have one question: Where is Matt now?

matt is running avid and doing all the support for the new device

 

[Good_ol_Dave]

@tdstuart. I purchased the 1 yr package with palm beach dyno. They have done multiple dyno tune and street tune sessions. They have updated my tune based on upgrades I added (like meth injection). My one complaint is They don't use my Avid device for logging but they do send the tunes to it after they are ready. They have adjusted my shift points and firmness in normal and sport modes. There turn around time has been 24 hrs for street tunes and 10 minutes on dyno tune sessions. They also run some pretty good promotions around black Friday and new years. Feel free to reach out to me with any questions.

 

[shogun32]

I am finally making okay money tho

which means it'll just run out of the bucket (or cup) that much faster.

 

[tdstuart]

which means it'll just run out of the bucket (or cup) that much faster.

I was doing good until I tried to pickup a cheap twin turbo kit off of Facebook marketplace that I think the dude is trying to scam me on that UPS now says is lost

 

[beefcake]

I was doing good until I tried to pickup a cheap twin turbo kit off of Facebook marketplace that I think the dude is trying to scam me on that UPS now says is lost

if you wanna DM me the tracking number, I’m happy to look into it for you and see if it looks legitimate as far as how UPS actually does things

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