Twin Turbo’d fuel system

[S550Echo]

So, I’ve been looking at this twin turbo kit that’s not too expensive, but a big thing I’ve been thinking is a good fuel system I should get, a lot of other pages/ forums I’ve seen so far all say it depends on how much power i wanna make, which I’m thinking of going around 700-750rwhp but would like the ability to go higher than rather be Maxed out at that by injectors. Rather limited by choice than by fuel, so, what’re my options here?

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[daSNAK3]

Fore fuel system w/ pumps of your choice + ID1050 injectors would be my recommendation but everyone’s going to have different opinions on that.

 

[GL95]

What are you going to do with the car? If you plan to go on a road course or want to daily the car the Fore system could be more inconvenient than other options. Whatever you do I highly recommend setting up can bus flex.

If I had it to do over again I would have just pieced my own together, I am confident it could be done much cheaper than the package deals

 

[S550Echo]

What are you going to do with the car? If you plan to go on a road course or want to daily the car the Fore system could be more inconvenient than other options. Whatever you do I highly recommend setting up can bus flex.

Well my plan with the car is to I’d prefer to track it but I’d like the car to be a street car, capable of daily driving but without the need to, I’m tuning with Lund as well and I’ve been trying to ask them for their preferences as well.

 

[GL95]

Well my plan with the car is to I’d prefer to track it but I’d like the car to be a street car, capable of daily driving but without the need to, I’m tuning with Lund as well and I’ve been trying to ask them for their preferences as well.

Eh Lund will recommend fore no matter what and as far as I have heard does not offer can bus flex.

 

[Angrey]

Lund is definitely going to try to dictate to you the fuel system you should run, so if you're going to continue with them, you might as well stop this thread. They're going to parrot Fore because A) that's what they've used in the past and it's comfortable and lazy tuning for them and B) they probably get free shit from Fore so they push it on customers.

Fore was a pioneer in our community and was the gold standard for fuel systems for over a decade. Problem is, Fore systems are largely outdated now.

There's absolutely no reason to run a brush style pump, full boogie, with naked pump hangers anymore. The market has improved.

I'm not saying you should delve into brushless, PWM controlled variable stuff, but there's absolutely no reason to run naked pumps anymore.

But again, I'm sure Lund is going to pretty much demand that if you continue with them, that's exactly what you do.

 

[K4fxd]

I would not use Lund.

 

[HKusp]

My buddy puts 250 miles a month on his car. He's running E85 on an ESS G3x and is around 900whp. In just over a year he has had 3 brushed pumps burn up in his Fore system. Talking with JPC (Justin Burchem's shop) they said they are having a lot of failures with the Walbro brushed pumps failing. Apparently Walbro is putting out crap product right now. They are recommending Aeromotive brushless sytems for people who are asking.

 

[engineermike]

@HKusp which walbro pumps are mustangs using that are burning up? I didn’t think walbro was that popular in this group.

 

[GL95]

@HKusp which walbro pumps are mustangs using that are burning up? I didn’t think walbro was that popular in this group.

Don't most people use 274's? TI is the same company as walboro

 

[HKusp]

Don't most people use 274's? TI is the same company as walboro

Yes, those are what I have in my Arcane system. My buddy that has had 3 failures, has the Fore level 3 system with dual regulators and Ti285's- again Walbro. He has checked the wiring, power, relays, etc. He manages 5 commercial mechanic shops and is very competent himself. 3 failures in under 5,000 miles is a symptom of a bigger problem.

 

[Angrey]

@HKusp which walbro pumps are mustangs using that are burning up? I didn’t think walbro was that popular in this group.

Walbro is TI. I think TI bought walbro. But the pumps that burn up most are the 285's, just because they run so bloody hot and because a bunch of the well known tuners are stuck in the early 2000's, they don't like hobbs switches and so they set them up to just run full sauce constantly.

A buddy of mine reached out to me just this week because his pumps are getting so hot that they create voids and vapor in the fuel feed. Another buddy had multiple 285's burn up (and cause relay failures and fuse failures).

 

[Angrey]

Don't most people use 274's? TI is the same company as walboro

The 267 are the low pressure version of the TI/Walbro pump. The 274 is identical to the 267, just with a higher relief valve pressure (I think at like 105 psi or around there). The 285 is the same case sizing and appears to be basically a 274, just spun harder (creating more flow, but at the cost of more amp draw and heat). The 295 is a 285, just with no internal check valve so it flows more (but you have to run an external check valve somewhere in the system, so it's a bit misleading, you get more flow only to restrict it back elsewhere).

At some point if my memory serves, TI bought walbro. What we all remember as Walbro are pumps now made under the TI brand/label (and of course TI's pumps they brought as well).

 

[RMoeslein]

I just had a Walbro pump failure. Fore system installed less than a year ago. Right about 1000 miles on the build. Got zero support from Fore. Very disapointing customer service from them. How do you run a company via email comms only? No call in #. Weak, will never use their parts again.

 

[GL95]

I just had a Walbro pump failure. Fore system installed less than a year ago. Right about 1000 miles on the build. Got zero support from Fore. Very disapointing customer service from them. How do you run a company via email comms only? No call in #. Weak, will never use their parts again.

it says pretty clearly when you buy the fuel system that the pumps are not covered by any warranty, I believe it also says they should be replaced yearly

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