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What many EV fans don't realize is that this functionality will soon be mandatory ;)
Just wait and see.

The world can't mine enough materials to make EVs for even a fraction of the population owning cars today. The only end game is self-driving, on-demand EVs run like Uber's. This is the start of the end of outlawing driving by everyday citizens.
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What many EV fans don't realize is that this functionality will soon be mandatory ;)
Just wait and see.

The world can't mine enough materials to make EVs for even a fraction of the population owning cars today. The only end game is self-driving, on-demand EVs run like Uber's. This is the start of the end of outlawing driving by everyday citizens.
Wow, that's really out there. While this could possibly be true in 50+ years from now I certainly wouldn't be to concerned about now. Our roads are not designed for self driving cars.
 

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Wow, that's really out there. While this could possibly be true in 50+ years from now I certainly wouldn't be to concerned about now. Our roads are not designed for self driving cars.
Maybe, maybe not. See those reflector things that also make your tires thump if you run over them that are near most roadway center lines on major roads. Adding gps plotting beacons would not be that hard. or in the traffic lights, signage.
And if say the powers that be want it done sooner than later, requiring them to be installed or no fed grant moneys for roads like they did with carpool lanes. and Signage, exit numbers, It get done ASAP.
But ya, I don't see it being mainstream for another 20-30 years. The tech isn't there yet.
 

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What many EV fans don't realize is that this functionality will soon be mandatory ;)
Just wait and see.

The world can't mine enough materials to make EVs for even a fraction of the population owning cars today. The only end game is self-driving, on-demand EVs run like Uber's. This is the start of the end of outlawing driving by everyday citizens.
Except we're so far away from legitimate self-driving cars that it's just a pipe dream at this point. Ford dumped their "AI" group, and others have taken huge steps back from the technology as well. Tesla will continue to perpetrate the fraud as long as people are willing to spend $15K on the software, but I'm certain the whole thing will come crashing down if they ever actually turn on "Full Self-Driving Capability" and people start dying.

Agreed about EVs in general. And it's not just mining the materials for the batteries (which is environmentally ugly), it's also powering EVs at volume with our power grid. It would be difficult even with fossil fuels, and impossible without it. So, they're killing the industry without a realistic alternative.
 

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Wow, that's really out there. While this could possibly be true in 50+ years from now I certainly wouldn't be to concerned about now. Our roads are not designed for self driving cars.
Our roads aren't designed for them, and the technology is a mirage.
 

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They could make a car now that could self drive, but they couldn't make one affordable. They land autonomous airplanes on aircraft carriers. I know that is different, but the tech today would make it possible but not at a cost that people are willing to pay or that would turn a profit. That all being said, the biggest hurdle probably is all the other unpredictable human drivers. You could make a system that would react fast enough, but again costs. That all being said, I am not concerned about loosing ice or diving in my lifetime.
 

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So would you rather have a self driving ICE car or an EV you can drive yourself? 🤔
 

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They could make a car now that could self drive, but they couldn't make one affordable.
No, I don't think they could. At least not under any circumstances and in any environment. In controlled or quasi-controlled environments, sure.
Jeremy Clarkson said it rather well. So, you've made a self-driving car. Marvellous. Now, take it to Bolivia and sit in it while it drives itself down the Death Road. If you survive, and you emerge at the other end of the road with clean underwear, then I'll buy it.

So would you rather have a self driving ICE car or an EV you can drive yourself? 🤔
Ouch! Tough one. That's like asking, "would you rather have cancer or AIDS?" :cwl:
 

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They could make a car now that could self drive, but they couldn't make one affordable. They land autonomous airplanes on aircraft carriers. I know that is different, but the tech today would make it possible but not at a cost that people are willing to pay or that would turn a profit. That all being said, the biggest hurdle probably is all the other unpredictable human drivers. You could make a system that would react fast enough, but again costs. That all being said, I am not concerned about loosing ice or diving in my lifetime.
Actually, I don't think this is true. Throw as much money as you want at it, the technology simply isn't there. You're right that flying a plane is different from driving a car, and that difference is everything.
 

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No, I don't think they could. At least not under any circumstances and in any environment. In controlled or quasi-controlled environments, sure.
Jeremy Clarkson said it rather well. So, you've made a self-driving car. Marvellous. Now, take it to Bolivia and sit in it while it drives itself down the Death Road. If you survive, and you emerge at the other end of the road with clean underwear, then I'll buy it.


Ouch! Tough one. That's like asking, "would you rather have cancer or AIDS?" :cwl:
With current sensor technology, radars, INS, and processors, heck even stuff a decade or more older it could detect, sort, and react much faster than a human. The costs would be prohibitive though. And at the end of the day there will always be negative outcomes, they just need to be less negative than what we do now.
 

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Actually, I don't think this is true. Throw as much money as you want at it, the technology simply isn't there. You're right that flying a plane is different from driving a car, and that difference is everything.
Sort of, but thr way they handle the problem is very similar. An eternal disturbance is processed, and an outcome occurs. That is a simplified version, but it would be similar with bad roads, people walking in front of you, and so on.
 

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With current sensor technology, radars, INS, and processors, heck even stuff a decade or more older it could detect, sort, and react much faster than a human. The costs would be prohibitive though. And at the end of the day there will always be negative outcomes, they just need to be less negative than what we do now.
That technology can cover all known situations. The biggest problem, though, are the unknown, unpredictable ones.
 

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With current sensor technology, radars, INS, and processors, heck even stuff a decade or more older it could detect, sort, and react much faster than a human. The costs would be prohibitive though. And at the end of the day there will always be negative outcomes, they just need to be less negative than what we do now.
When you break down each technology involved with driving a car in -- as @Vlad Soare pointed out -- uncontrolled and unpredictable environments, the whole house of cards falls apart. Computers simply aren't good enough at things like image recognition, and the underlying algorithms can't respond to novelty the way they need to. The entire AI industry is much further behind than many people think, and the self-driving car is one of the most complex implementations of it.

The technology can be okay for simple things that augment a human driver, like assisted breaking (which we've been debating recently). But, even those very simple systems aren't perfect, and they, e.g., generate false positives that, when extended to every car on the road and to every situation, would be a nightmare. They add value for absolute emergency situations but relying on them to brake every single time it's necessary (or not to brake when not necessary) simply wouldn't work.
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