Why DIDN'T you get a camaro?

[Doc2020GT]

Traded my 2014 GT in for a 2019 Corvette. Fun, fast and great looking but I found myself missing my Mustang. Traded the Vette in exactly 11 months after buying it for my 2020 GT PP1.

Never really gave the Camaro a thought. My brother and youngest daughter both have one and they’re nice cars. Funny thing about the visibility is my daughter is 5’ 1” on a good day but it’s kinda hard to tell a 35 year old woman what to do.

 

[AlmostFamous]

It isn’t about quality of materials, it’s just for myself personally that the Camaro interior design is unattractive compared to an S550. Recaro’s are nice regardless of what car they are in.

I agree, I owned a 2016 GT for 5 years. While I like the design of the Camaro, I prefer the design of the S550. Look wise and especially with functionality. Things like the worthless sunvisor where I think wtf were the GM designers thinking. No cover for the mirror but the clincher, it doesn’t even block the sun. Even though, the Camaro interior is more than livable for me.

 

[shogun32]

Lots of people bought the die-cast Camaros already to scratch that itch. And were left with no choice but to buy a Mustang in-real-life.
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/0...-cast-race-cars-of-2020-are-all-chevys-video/

 

[ice445]

Here’s some more pictures of the interior. Outside of the upgraded Ricaro seats, this is the base Camaro interior. It’s as nice as a Ford Fusion or Chevy Malibu, nothing spectacular but not as bad as some make it out to be.

I thought disabling the 1 to 4 skip shift requirement would have been the very first “mod” after I purchased the vehicle but it’s rare I shift under 3k out of 1st gear so I never see the requirement.

I think s550 gets some aspects better, like the center stack, door panels, and steering wheel. Those seats are definitely cooler though.

 

[Biggus Dickus]

In 2021 I resolve to be nice to people with cars I dislike (unless the people are assholes)

 

[Hack]

I don't get why people say that interior quality is bad, that's the cheapest that interior gets and it looks fine to me. The seats in particular are very nice for "base" seats and better than the mustang in that regard. Awesome color too. Did you disable the skip shift? Or does the new LT1 not have that?

Uggghhh! Skip shift. Please don't remind me. I had that in my Z06 as well. Why GM why? Oh the humanity!

I agree, the combination of the LT1 front and convertible sold me. I was a fan of the non-SS front the moment it was released to the public summer 2018. A 4 of 6 cylinder was a non-starter for me though. The LT1 model was the answer for me as I’ve never been a fan of the SS. The 2020 “SS update” was an improvement but only took me from dislike to indifferent. To each their own.

Yeah I just don't like the Camaro's current styling at all. If it's a dark color where I can't see the body panel shapes as well it's ok, but brighter colors that accentuate the design, no not for me.

 

[AlmostFamous]

While the convertible might fix the visibility issue, it further illustrates the design aspect that causes it in the first place. Taking away the roof/side glass just shows how absurdly high the beltline is. I'm sorry, but this car looks like the sandals your dad would wear with white crew socks.

I agree, the Camaro is a much more polarizing vehicle look wise. You either love it or hate it.

 

[AlmostFamous]

They need to print this on a cricket bat, and slap the current designers across the face until they get the message.

Assuming there will even be a 7th gen Camaro without a gap like the last time. The more I think about it the more sad it makes me to think another icon of American motoring might die off because of mismanagement.

I read the other day the Camaro will soldier on until 2026 with one more mild refresh in the works. Perhaps a 7th gen is a possibility. Either way, I do know the world is a better place with the big 3 offering the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger imo.

 

[Garfy]

Im torn between the 2020 Mustang GT and the 2020 Camaro SS both in A10 variants. And both seem to be very close in many aspects. I plan on asking this question on a camaro forum, but the other way around. But Im curious about those that shopped both seriously and chose the Mustang in the end. Lets not use the "visibility" argument though. I've driven both extensively and that isnt a problem in the camaro, at least not for me. What else prevented you from getting the camaro? Was it price, availability or was it options?? Lets have a real conversation without a flame war starting. Thanks.

I bought my Mustang GT because the Camaro isn't built as well (Chevys tend to be more tin-can in quality overall; good example is how back in the day GM used to put shims between the door hinges to align the doors with the body while Fords didn't; they were just better designed). Also, GM is stuck on old tech OHV pushrod 2-valve V8 engines which explains why they need a 6.2L V8 in order to barely beat a 5.0L Mustang by 0.1 sec on the 1/4 mile. Add to that the fact that the Mustang is 5 star safety rated in all areas while the Camaro does a decent job of 5 stars with the exception of 4 stars in the frontal impact, which is fairly common crash-wise.

 

[ice445]

I bought my Mustang GT because the Camaro isn't built as well (Chevys tend to be more tin-can in quality overall; good example is how back in the day GM used to put shims between the door hinges to align the doors with the body while Fords didn't; they were just better designed). Also, GM is stuck on old tech OHV pushrod 2-valve V8 engines which explains why they need a 6.2L V8 in order to barely beat a 5.0L Mustang by 0.1 sec on the 1/4 mile. Add to that the fact that the Mustang is 5 star safety rated in all areas while the Camaro does a decent job of 5 stars with the exception of 4 stars in the frontal impact, which is fairly common crash-wise.

It's hard to call the LT1 engine "old tech" just because it's using pushrods. Pushrod motors take up less physical space, so you can get more displacement for free essentially. The Coyote is comically huge in comparison despite its lower displacement. It's also a direct injected motor just like the Coyote is now. It's just a different philosophy to make power, and it still works well. The only way to overcome lack of cubes is to increase your compression ratio and rev higher (or run boost lol). I love a good high revving motor, so the Coyote is my personal favorite. But having the wider torque band that a pushrod engine gives is nice too.

 

[shogun32]

I had that in my Z06 as well. Why GM why? Oh the humanity!

CAFE dodge. Otherwise $1000 fine to be paid to the environment by way of the EPA.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Uggghhh! Skip shift. Please don't remind me. I had that in my Z06 as well. Why GM why? Oh the humanity!

They never learn. Had one on my '97 Formula and like probably 120% of those, disabled mine early on.

pre six-point, post skip-shift defeat:

 

[Garfy]

It's hard to call the LT1 engine "old tech" just because it's using pushrods. Pushrod motors take up less physical space, so you can get more displacement for free essentially. The Coyote is comically huge in comparison despite its lower displacement. It's also a direct injected motor just like the Coyote is now. It's just a different philosophy to make power, and it still works well. The only way to overcome lack of cubes is to increase your compression ratio and rev higher (or run boost lol). I love a good high revving motor, so the Coyote is my personal favorite. But having the wider torque band that a pushrod engine gives is nice too.

True, but you can't go multi-valve on these engines which means you're limited because you can only go so big on the valves without compromising performance (just ask anyone with the original Boss 302 Mustang that was horrible trying to drive on the street as it didn't run well below 1500 rpm which is why they reduced the valve diameter in the following year). If they went DI on the Camaro, I guess they finally went away from the crappy Vortec injector design with those stupid plastic tubes and poppet valves on the end. I hated working on those things, especially when the pressure regulator began leaking and the #7 & 8 cyls ran super rich.

 

[Adamone92]

If they went DI on the Camaro, I guess they finally went away from the crappy Vortec injector design with those stupid plastic tubes and poppet valves on the end. I hated working on those things, especially when the pressure regulator began leaking and the #7 & 8 cyls ran super rich.

not sure how you can comment on the new camaros, and their engines, without even knowing about their engine. The LT1 is DI and considered a great improvement, and overhaul, from the ls engines. They started using it years ago, and is also in cars such as the c7 corvette.

that said when boosted, I prefer the coyote from what I can tell about the LT1. NA, LT1.

 

[Sivi70980]

Saw a new Camaro yesterday and I liked the blue color and the nose. Side still meh but otherwise looked great. Hood had heat extractors reminding me of the '68 a little bit. Then I looked in the side mirror at the "hips" of the mustang and forgot all about the car I was just checking out.