Will Trump be impeached?

[watisthis]

Trump was a business man. That’s the part you are missing. He made money though private enterprise. He borrowed, failed, and bankrupted. He produced. He came into contact with shady characters.

Biden, Hillary, Obama other career politicians consumed. They used tax payer money to fund projects for their donors. Somehow they ended up rich. They consume red but somehow ended up rich.

Do you see the difference? I understand you highly dislike Trump but he actually produced something though private enterprise.

In this country there are two types of people. Consumers and producers. If you have a government job you are a consumer. If you work for a private business you are a producer.

Producers don’t need consumers but consumer will always need producers.

There is a lot wrong with this, mainly how Trump made and lost his money that you just skimmed over as if to gaslight who he really is. I won't disagree with your 2nd statement as it is basically true, however, the somehow is easily identifiable, unlike Trump who hasn't turned over his tax returns.

Moreover, I'm most concerned with how you think producers don't need consumers which is completely false, their relationship is mutually beneficial.

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[BlackandBlue]

You TZs just don't have anything to try and support your position that Trump didn't do anything wrong - except for stupid invalid tweets and lies from the mouth of the cult leader, and memes which mean nothing. With all the evidence from 17 people who testified under oath, and all the documented texts and emails, etc it's pretty clear what was going on. And if Trump didn't demand that everyone in his executive administration to ignore subpoenas and not to help the investigation in any way shows that he knows that if other evidence was given there would have been even more evidence.

How do you think any other criminal in a court of law would be handles if they acted like Trump?

Here is the problem. If Biden wasn’t running what Trump did using aid would be standard operating procedure. The point of aid is to shape what foreign government do. That’s the whole point of aid. It’s To influence foreign governments with money.

So If Biden wasn’t running this would have been ok, but since he is running investigating him is off limits? Do you see the hypocrisy here? Wasn’t trumps campaign under investigation. Insurance policy or something like that.

I personally think this is an emotional response. I didn’t like Obama but I didn’t call for him to be outed. Hell he personally cost me 1100 dollars a month (13k a year) more than I was paying in insurance before his stupid you can keep you doctor crap.

You are on the losing side of this. If Trump is outed our country will break down. If he is not he will be re-elected. Not because he is good but because the democrats have lost their mind. Just look at England to see what I mean. People are tired of being use and poor.

There are 2 types of people in this country. Consumers and producers. The government consumes. Private companies produce. If you work for the government you are a consumer. You need us but we don’t need you.

 

[BlackandBlue]

There is a lot wrong with this, mainly how Trump made and lost his money that you just skimmed over as if to gaslight who he really is. I won't disagree with your 2nd statement as it is basically true, however, the somehow is easily identifiable, unlike Trump who hasn't turned over his tax returns.

Moreover, I'm most concerned with how you think producers don't need consumers which is completely false, their relationship is mutually beneficial.

I don’t know what kinda shady stuff Trump did. It mostly was a lot. Just like most billionaires that borrow money. What I do know is he wasn’t a life long government servant that got rich. He should release his tax records though. But it bothers me about as much as the Clinton foundation excepting foreign government money.

Is a rich government servant not more concerning to you than a businessman?

Mutually beneficial doesn’t mean one can survive without the other.

Consumers need taxes. They can’t survive without them. They would stave. Producers get help from consumers but would survive without them. They would survive.

That’s the difference.

It’s like losing weight.

With diet(producers/private) and exercise(consumers/government) you can lose weight. You can’t do it with exercise alone though. One snickers is enough calories to run two miles. Eating two much will never allow you to lose weight.

You can lose weight with diet alone though. You could not eat and sit on the couch and starve to death.

By producers and consumers I am only referring to the government standpoint. Not the economic standpoint.

 

[GT Pony]

Here is the problem. If Biden wasn’t running what Trump did using aid would be standard operating procedure. The point of aid is to shape what foreign government do. That’s the whole point of aid. It’s To influence foreign governments with money.

So If Biden wasn’t running this would have been ok, but since he is running investigating him is off limits? Do you see the hypocrisy here? Wasn’t trumps campaign under investigation. Insurance policy or something like that.

I agree ... and that's why Trump and his personal lawyer aren't as smart as they think they are. And technically, it is off limits to involve a foreign country for political gain. For some reason, everyone seems to ignore that fact. If Biden wasn't running then all of this wouldn't stink of Trump devising a scheme to derail his political rival by involving a forgien country.

Where were Trump's Constitutional advisers? ... but Trump doesn't listen to expert advisors. He goes off on his own crazy accord thinking he's smarter than everyone else. And apparently even Wile E. Giuliani didn't even see this land mine. The two guys who claim they are so "genius" missed it all. Even AFTER the FEC put a warning out after Trump made a "China should investigate the Bidens too" statement to the whole world, they continued to walk into the mine field. They deserve to be caught and punished over their own stupidity.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fec-...interference-trump_n_5d961996e4b0da7f66231326

These guys should be nominated for stupid criminal awards.

You are on the losing side of this. If Trump is outed our country will break down. If he is not he will be re-elected. Not because he is good but because the democrats have lost their mind. Just look at England to see what I mean. People are tired of being use and poor.

FYI, I'm not here to win anything ... just to point out that this whole thing it fooked up, especially our politicians trying to ignore and misinterpret the Constitution and how it relates to impeachment of a rouge president. And as I've already said a couple of times in this thread, I do NOT like the Democrat's mindset for what they want to do with the country. I live in a Democratic state, and it's ever increasingly being turned into another shit hole like California. We need someone who's more in the middle as Pres, and not a power hungry loose cannon trying to break the rules of our Constitution. The next thing Trump will try to do is abolish the 22nd Amendment ... he's already mentioned it. Then we have a Putin Jr. or a Mt. Dew Camacho on our hands.

 

[watisthis]

I don’t know what kinda shady stuff Trump did. It mostly was a lot. Just like most billionaires that borrow money. What I do know is he wasn’t a life long government servant that got rich. He should release his tax records though. But it bothers me about as much as the Clinton foundation excepting foreign government money.

Is a rich government servant not more concerning to you than a businessman?

Mutually beneficial doesn’t mean one can survive without the other.

Consumers need taxes. They can’t survive without them. They would stave. Producers get help from consumers but would survive without them. They would survive.

That’s the difference.

It’s like losing weight.

With diet(producers) and exercise(consumers) you can lose weight. You can’t do it with exercise alone though. One snickers is enough calories to run two miles. Eating two much will never allow you to lose weight.

You can lose weight with diet alone though. You could not eat and sit on the couch and starve to death.

No, you're right both concern me but that is our paradigm, we must choose between the least evil, I go for the one who uses actions rather than words, who has a moral compass and integrity. Obviously I'm not talking Clinton here, but you get my point.

I'm really not following your logic here. You need both, without consumers you have no demand for goods or services, unless you're living on an island all by yourself and you are a boy scout. Consumers also produce just as producers also consume in their own specialized ways.

 

[BlackandBlue]

FYI, I'm not here to win anything ... just to point out that this whole thing it fooked up, especially out politicians trying to ignore and misinterpret the Constitution and how it relates to impeachment of a rouge president. And as I've already said a couple of times in this thread, I do NOT like the Democrat's mindset for what they want to do with the country. I live in a Democratic state, and it's every getting turned into another shit hole like California. We need someone who's more in the middle as Pres, and not a power hungry loose cannon trying to break the rules of our Constitution. The next thing Trump will try to do is abolish the 22ndf Amendment ... he's already mentioned it. Then we have a Putin Jr. or a Mt. Dew Camacho on our hands.

He can’t be both a compete idiot and a criminal mastermind.

I personally think Trump went after Biden because what he did and less because he thought he could beat him. Biden is used up and something is wrong with him mentally. Most likely dementia that might be connected to his aneurism.

I am NOT a Trump fanboy. I personally think the best government is a completely split government. There was just tons of corruption is the Obama/Bush administration. The IRS scandal being the worst that no one talks about.

 

[BlackandBlue]

No, you're right both concern me but that is our paradigm, we must choose between the least evil, I go for the one who uses actions rather than words, who has a moral compass and integrity. Obviously I'm not talking Clinton here, but you get my point.

I'm really not following your logic here. You need both, without consumers you have no demand for goods or services, unless you're living on an island all by yourself and you are a boy scout. Consumers also produce just as producers also consume in their own specialized ways.

Consumers = people who use tax revenues.
Producers = people who produce and consume goods and services.

Consumer = government
Producers = the free market.

 

[watisthis]

Consumers = people who use tax revenues.
Producers = people who produce and consume goods and services.

And what do they use that tax revenue for? Surely, they aren't just hoarding money and are using it to buy from producers thus being mutually beneficial. Or perhaps they are using said money to build things, or bankroll a consumer/producer to do so.

Edit: saw your edit: Gov't produces infrastructure, payout subsidies, etc.

 

[GT Pony]

He can’t be both a compete idiot and a criminal mastermind.

I personally think Trump went after Biden because what he did and less because he thought he could beat him. Biden is used up and something is wrong with him mentally. Most likely dementia that might be connected to his aneurism.

My vote is that he's an idiot that had "buck fever" thinking he had a way to really smear Biden for the goal of benefiting himself in the 2020 campaign and election. That's how Trump operates, and has operated that way his whole life. He's a massive liar and cheater in life, and is continuing that MO now in the highest office of the USA.

If Trump is so confident of winning again, he shouldn't even think about foreign country help in any way. But I had to shake my head when he was asked if he would use unsolicited foreign help and said "sure, why not". Well, technically that is also against the FEC laws. Trump really needs a lesson on what laws apply to a POTUS. He's a stupid criminal, and thinks the office of Pres is above the law. I think maybe he suffers from some mental illness also.

I am NOT a Trump fanboy. I personally think the best government is a completely split government. There was just tons of corruption is the Obama/Bush administration. The IRS scandal being the worst that no one talks about.

Not sure what you exactly mean by "split government", unless you mean the 3 independent branches of government, and not Trump trying to spit the Executive branch out of the trio and making it his own personal government. That's basically what he's trying to do. Study German government in the late 1930s.

 

[BlackandBlue]

My vote is idiot that had "buck fever" thinking he had a way to really smear Biden for the goal of benefiting himself in the 2020 campaign and election. That's how Trump operates, and has operated that way his whole life. He's a massive liar and cheater in life, and now in the highest office of the USA.

Not sure what you exactly mean by "split government", unless you mean the 3 independent branches of government, and not Trump trying to spit the Executive branch out of the trio and making it his own personal government. That's basically what he's trying to do. Study German government in the late 1930s.

He might have had buck fever. But like a said he can’t be a mastermind and a compulsive idiot. I vote for compulsive. I won’t call him an idiot though just for the fact I don’t think he is. He is smart but not brilliant.

He has done many things l loved. Like saying we will stay in Syria because we want the oil. That’s always been the reason he just said it.


By split government I mean like it is now. I hate when one part controls all branches of government.

I like politics to some degree but it never changes. It’s always the same. Always controlled by the same people. The markets are my true love.

Interesting read if you like knowing about the actual power that be.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/how-crush-bankers-dictatorship-lesson-1933

 

[BlackandBlue]

And what do they use that tax revenue for? Surely, they aren't just hoarding money and are using it to buy from producers thus being mutually beneficial. Or perhaps they are using said money to build things, or bankroll a consumer/producer to do so.

Edit: saw your edit: Gov't produces infrastructure, payout subsidies, etc.

No they spend like crazy. That’s the problem. There is never enough. Governments are a virus. They grow and consume until they kill the host.

I am not saying all government is bad. I am saying government need producers.

 

[GT Pony]

He has done many things l loved. Like saying we will stay in Syria because we want the oil. That’s always been the reason he just said it.

And we should have made Iraq the 51st state of the USA so we could have had a great oil supply.

 

[BlackandBlue]

And we should have made Iraq the 51st state of the USA so we could have had a great oil supply.

He really has broken the mold. I personally think that’s a good thing.

Obviously though the bureaucrats liked the status quo.

 

[watisthis]

No they spend like crazy. That’s the problem. There is never enough. Governments are a virus. They grow and consume until they kill the host.

I am not saying all government is bad. I am saying government need producers.

No to what?

A lot of government spending can be categorized as consumption, but it doesn't follow that all government spending must necessarily be consumption. As I just stated with infrastructure as that is clearly production. Subsidization of production, defense, division of labor via governance, judiciary system, etc.

Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations details extremely well what role governments play in the economy.

Although, I assume your belief is that there are alternatives.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

I agree ... and that's why Trump and his personal lawyer aren't as smart as they think they are. And technically, it is off limits to involve a foreign country for political gain. For some reason, everyone seems to ignore that fact. If Biden wasn't running then all of this wouldn't stink of Trump devising a scheme to derail his political rival by involving a forgien country.

Where were Trump's Constitutional advisers? ... but Trump doesn't listen to expert advisors. He goes off on his own crazy accord thinking he's smarter than everyone else. And apparently even Wile E. Giuliani didn't even see this land mine. The two guys who claim they are so "genius" missed it all. Even AFTER the FEC put a warning out after Trump made a "China should investigate the Bidens too" statement to the whole world, they continued to walk into the mine field. They deserve to be caught and punished over their own stupidity.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fec-...interference-trump_n_5d961996e4b0da7f66231326

These guys should be nominated for stupid criminal awards.




FYI, I'm not here to win anything ... just to point out that this whole thing it fooked up, especially our politicians trying to ignore and misinterpret the Constitution and how it relates to impeachment of a rouge president. And as I've already said a couple of times in this thread, I do NOT like the Democrat's mindset for what they want to do with the country. I live in a Democratic state, and it's ever increasingly being turned into another shit hole like California. We need someone who's more in the middle as Pres, and not a power hungry loose cannon trying to break the rules of our Constitution. The next thing Trump will try to do is abolish the 22nd Amendment ... he's already mentioned it. Then we have a Putin Jr. or a Mt. Dew Camacho on our hands.

the entire impeachment is based off of bullshit.

And the reason is: because there is zero way to prove that the decision to make this investigation into Biden's activities in the Ukraine where politically motivated vs national security motivated. The only way to prove this would be to read Trumps mind. I am not saying that he did it for either reason, he may well have done it strictly for political reasons, but as with many things, intent matters, and since we haven't figured out how to read minds, we can only go by the stated intent.

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