F150 mani on hwy

[Remy_reign]

Soft limit is 6800. Hard fuel cut is 7000. F150 mani will be flat at ~6000. Nature of the runner lengths and associated wave harmonics. Not really something a tune can change.

Ah got it thanks. I spent the last few days hunting for opportunities to do some high revs. So far, I got one in by dropping it to 4th, the car shocked me to put it lightly. And I'm actually looking forward to the next hard pull. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

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[A7X]

Would a ported F150 IM keep pulling after 6k? I'm wondering if that's the ticket. Porting wouldn't be too pricey either

 

[Mustang_Lou]

Would a ported F150 IM keep pulling after 6k? I'm wondering if that's the ticket. Porting wouldn't be too pricey either

I'm not sure if much can be done outside of the openings as the mani's are plastic now. The old metal ones could be extrude honed where an abrasive putty is forced through the internal passages over and over to smooth things out but no point with the plastic ones as they're already smooth.

 

[A7X]

I'm not sure if much can be done outside of the openings as the mani's are plastic now. The old metal ones could be extrude honed where an abrasive putty is forced through the internal passages over and over to smooth things out but no point with the plastic ones as they're already smooth.

Hi Lou, sounds right but I have seen ported 2018 IM's and I think they're plastic too? https://www.vmpperformance.com/Ported-2018-Ford-Mustang-Intake-Manifold

This line was exciting "CNC ported and hand finished for maximum flow. Typical gains of 5-15 whp over unported manifold depending on application. Greatest gains will be seen when matched with other max effort parts. "

Anyhow perhaps may be possible

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[AlmostFamous]

From the numbers the 2018-2019 F150 guys are pulling, there’s even more gains with the 2018-2019 F150 manifold. Very curious to see someone lock it out and give it a try. Looking at some of the dyno sheets, something I’ve noticed is the fall after 6,000rpm isn’t quite as severe as with the 2015-2017s along with higher torque numbers.

 

[A7X]

From the numbers the 2018-2019 F150 guys are pulling, there’s even more gains with the 2018-2019 F150 manifold. Very curious to see someone lock it out and give it a try. Looking at some of the dyno sheets, something I’ve noticed is the fall after 6,000rpm isn’t quite as severe as with the 2015-2017s along with higher torque numbers.

That could be the ticket AlmostFamous! If you have a link that would be great but in the meantime I'll go Googling

I guess there could be fitment issues over the 2015-2017 F150 IM but I'm sure could be worked out.

More torque and possible higher redline ceiling. Love these cars and all the possibilities!

https://www.vmpperformance.com/2018-Ford-F150-Intake-Manifold

 

[Mustang_Lou]

I'm just not buying 5-15 HP (what a range) from simply taking a dremel to the opening area. Unless I'm missing something else completely that they do besides that?

Now that other link to the 2018 F150 is new. And with connectors. Cheap too. Hmmm...

 

[A7X]

I'm just not buying 5-15 HP (what a range) from simply taking a dremel to the opening area. Unless I'm missing something else completely that they do besides that?

Now that other link to the 2018 F150 is new. And with connectors. Cheap too. Hmmm...

Yep that is cheap! I'm super tempted...

I'm just worried about warranty. My dealer will keep warranty on anything they install but I'm wondering if they are up to slapping a 2018 F180 IM on my car or if they would royally mess it up

Or I wait until the warranty is up and go hog wild. Having had 2 turbo cars in the past I want to keep my car NA. The Steeda Silver Bullet is sort of a model even though my car is a 2017 and manual so there are some hard limits on what I can do with that platform

More grunt without having to death rev the engine is my goal. And I don't want to go the E85 route either. Ok I'm fussy

 

[Momogt26]

I'm just not buying 5-15 HP (what a range) from simply taking a dremel to the opening area. Unless I'm missing something else completely that they do besides that?

Now that other link to the 2018 F150 is new. And with connectors. Cheap too. Hmmm...

Hmmm surprised vmp is offering this as a option if you watch there video where it was tested on a gen 1 they didn't give it a good review. But on the gen 2 video they used a 2011-14 f150 intake manifold and it made good power and torque but because it didn't carry power to 7000 rpm it wasn't recommended by vmp. My opinion if you're not drag racing the f150 intake manifold would be better and really good for automatics

 

[AlmostFamous]

That could be the ticket AlmostFamous! If you have a link that would be great but in the meantime I'll go Googling

I guess there could be fitment issues over the 2015-2017 F150 IM but I'm sure could be worked out.

More torque and possible higher redline ceiling. Love these cars and all the possibilities!

https://www.vmpperformance.com/2018-Ford-F150-Intake-Manifold

With the 2015-2017 F150s, just like with the Mustangs with the 2015-2017 F150 manifold, the power doesn’t just drop off after 5,500rpms, it falls off a cliff. The 2018-2019 F150s power drops off but as you can see in the dyno graphs below, the drop off is more like the 2015-2017 GT manifold. If you went with a 2018-2019 F150 manifold, it would be installed exactly like you would a 2018-2019 GT manifold.

More grunt without having to death rev the engine is my goal.

I don’t see it that way, the engine was designed to rev high and do it reliably. This is not a cam in block (LSx/LTx, Hemi) engine. Just keep in mind, even with the improvements in the 2018-2019 F150 manifold, it would get crushed in a quarter mile with an equavent car that has the 2018-2019 GT manifold. Not quite an apples to apples comparison as the dyno below is of a F150 with E85 tunes, but it’ll give you a clear idea how much power you’re giving up from 5,500-7,500rpms with the F150 manifold.

 

[Remy_reign]

With the 2015-2017 F150s, just like with the Mustangs with the 2015-2017 F150 manifold, the power doesn’t just drop off after 5,500rpms, it falls off a cliff. The 2018-2019 F150s power drops off but as you can see in the dyno graphs below, the drop off is more like the 2015-2017 GT manifold. If you went with a 2018-2019 F150 manifold, it would be installed exactly like you would a 2018-2019 GT manifold.

I don’t see it that way, the engine was designed to rev high and do it reliably. This is not a cam in block (LSx/LTx, Hemi) engine. Just keep in mind, even with the improvements in the 2018-2019 F150 manifold, it would get crushed in a quarter mile with an equavent car that has the 2018-2019 GT manifold. Not quite an apples to apples comparison as the dyno below is of a F150 with E85 tunes, but it’ll give you a clear idea how much power you’re giving up from 5,500-7,500rpms with the F150 manifold.

So the f150 18 truck mani is better than the 15-17 gt stock mani and the 17 truck mani. So if I were deciding to remain with a stock mani would it be a bad idea to consider the 18 truck mani? Has better numbers and it doesn't fall as hard after 6k as the older truck mani or the stock gt mani.

 

[AlmostFamous]

So the f150 18 truck mani is better than the 15-17 gt stock mani and the 17 truck mani. So if I were deciding to remain with a stock mani would it be a bad idea to consider the 18 truck mani? Has better numbers and it doesn't fall as hard after 6k as the older truck mani or the stock gt mani.

From what I’ve researched, I like to think the 2018-2019 F150 manifold is a better 2015-2017 GT manifold but no one has done the swap so it’s simply my opinion at this point. Locking out the F150 manifold and unknown tuning requirements has kept anyone from giving it a try.

 

[gameovergt]

the f150 is exactly what you are looking for. It was fun for daily driving/highway speeds. I only swapped to the '18 because wanted every advantage at the strip. Hopefully you can find one cheap. It was an easy direct swap that took about 40 minutes.

 

[Remy_reign]

From what I’ve researched, I like to think the 2018-2019 F150 manifold is a better 2015-2017 GT manifold but no one has done the swap so it’s simply my opinion at this point. Locking out the F150 manifold and unknown tuning requirements has kept anyone from giving it a try.

Ah okay, hopefully when I'm ready to pull the trigger, the results of this new truck mani are out so I can make a decision.

the f150 is exactly what you are looking for. It was fun for daily driving/highway speeds. I only swapped to the '18 because wanted every advantage at the strip. Hopefully you can find one cheap. It was an easy direct swap that took about 40 minutes.

Ah okay, yeah my car sees 0 time at the track or strip. I'm like 80% city 20% highway. My only fear now is doing a hard pull and hitting 6k and dropping. Which at this point only hit 6k once and that was after downshifting twice. Lasted all of 3 seconds before i had to let off of it. Still hunting for more opportunities to get those rpms up there, may have to do some highway pulls today

 

[A7X]

With the 2015-2017 F150s, just like with the Mustangs with the 2015-2017 F150 manifold, the power doesn’t just drop off after 5,500rpms, it falls off a cliff. The 2018-2019 F150s power drops off but as you can see in the dyno graphs below, the drop off is more like the 2015-2017 GT manifold. If you went with a 2018-2019 F150 manifold, it would be installed exactly like you would a 2018-2019 GT manifold.

I don’t see it that way, the engine was designed to rev high and do it reliably. This is not a cam in block (LSx/LTx, Hemi) engine. Just keep in mind, even with the improvements in the 2018-2019 F150 manifold, it would get crushed in a quarter mile with an equavent car that has the 2018-2019 GT manifold. Not quite an apples to apples comparison as the dyno below is of a F150 with E85 tunes, but it’ll give you a clear idea how much power you’re giving up from 5,500-7,500rpms with the F150 manifold.

AlmostFamous

You make excellent points. I'm wondering about having both IMs - 2018 GT and 2018 F150. Anyhow since they're both cheap to get, maybe that's an option. Everyday DD would be FR Power Pack 1, Mishi IM tube, AEM dryfilter, F150 IM

However for my driving (yes I get slammed by my friends for driving so "slow" the F150 IM may be the ticket. I typically don't go over 5K.
I can hear the mob saying "drive a Yugo Grampa" but I love this car but wish more torque down low.

So I may get a chance to drive a F150 car this weekend and see. I love the fact that our cars are SO customizable! Simply amazing

Again AlmostFamous your points are valid and appreciated

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