Guess what? Motortrend favors the Camaro again

[Snagged]

Driven an SS 1LE and a 2016 PP, and will say the PP is FAR more comfortable. Can't confirm with the 2018 PP, but can't imagine it would be much different

That's what I figured. At this stage in my life I would certainly take comfort over a corner carver (actually at any stage really; I have never taken any of my cars to road course).

It makes sense why both companies are making comfort number 1. Chevy and Ford are trying to appeal to everyone and releasing the special packages (1LE and PP) to make everyone happy. Now it's just a matter of one upping each other with the back and forth battle. It seems Ford is pretty reluctant to put out anything too uncomfortable as to not lose any loyal customers to something that doesn't appeal to them. I'm impressed Ford was willing to up the ante by putting out the PP2. It's a great battle.

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[Snagged]

Nice!
I had a '99 Hugger Orange SS with white leather interior that I ordered with the options I wanted back in late '98. I used to get tons of looks and thumbs up with that car, now it's with the Roush. lol
I had the LS1 engine, obviously being the '99 year. What a great car. I wish I could have kept it and gotten the Roush Stage 3 as well, but that would have been too much $$$ for me, (price for the Roush, excise tax, insurance), and no garage space for the LS1 once the Roush got here. :( :rant:

Lol, well there you go, you know the car well then. And very nice. I was drooling over those cars when back then. I had a 94 GT with its earth shattering 215 HP .

Chevy really got it right with those cars. I saw one on the road the other day but it was in pretty bad shape. Still looked good however! ha They were certainly the street kings back in their day.

But getting a Roush Mustang is certainly a nice move. I love the looks and power of those too.

 

[Norm Peterson]

You say this based on your extensive experience driving both cars?

Not me.

RP at Streets of Willow 1:24.29 in the earlier car vs 1:23.97 in this H2H.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs-streets-of-willow


Norm

 

[bootlegger]

Not me.

RP at Streets of Willow 1:24.29 in the earlier car vs 1:23.97 in this H2H.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs-streets-of-willow


Norm

Different days, different years, different conditions. I have driven both cars. The difference is quite substantial as far as how the 2 cars feel on curvy roads.

 

[thehunterooo]

Unknown driver :thinking:

 

[Norm Peterson]

Different days, different years, different conditions. I have driven both cars. The difference is quite substantial as far as how the 2 cars feel on curvy roads.

Feel can be quite different even when the performance numbers are close, and it's hard to say that the '18 was tested on a relatively poorer-condition day given what the 1LE was able to do in absolute terms.

I hope a good share of the blame falls on the 255's and 9" being too small for the job rather than the integral-link IRS inherently being at that significant of a technical disadvantage.


Norm

 

[bootlegger]

Feel can be quite different even when the performance numbers are close, and it's hard to say that the '18 was tested on a relatively poorer-condition day given what the 1LE was able to do in absolute terms.

I hope a good share of the blame falls on the 255's and 9" being too small for the job rather than the integral-link IRS inherently being at that significant of a technical disadvantage.


Norm

Testing on different days always makes a big difference. Testing at different times on the same day can make a big difference.
Hard to believe 25 more hp, improved dampers, stickier tires, and other various suspension improvements doesn't translate into real track improvements. That would mean Ford messed something up during development of the reboot. That is much less probable than performance variation on different days.

 

[Lost]

Meh. Who cares? I certainly don't. We rented a Camaro for week last spring, and freekin hated it. Can't rest your arm out the window, visibility sucks, and generally just uncomfortable. My grin factor was way down.

Whatever flips your flopper, but that thing wasn't flipping mine.

 

[thehunterooo]

Meh. Who cares? I certainly don't. We rented a Camaro for week last spring, and freekin hated it. Can't rest your arm out the window, visibility sucks, and generally just uncomfortable. My grin factor was way down.

Whatever flips your flopper, but that thing wasn't flipping mine.

Yeah but if you went to the track in that Camaro you would be the fastest on there! That is well worth it!

 

[Lost]

Yeah but if you went to the track in that Camaro you would be the fastest on there! That is well worth it!

But I would already know that, and if I lose it would be my fault.
But since I never go to a track, I'm pretty dilligaf.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Testing on different days always makes a big difference. Testing at different times on the same day can make a big difference.

Of course.

But if an 0.3 second difference is possible and if it could be proven that the earlier car was tested under more favorable conditions I would expect typical differences between the two Mustangs to be closer to one second than . . . three. That still puts the two Mustangs closer to each other than either of them to the 1LE.


Norm

 

[airfuel]

This thread is getting as bad as the old butt hurt 15-17 owners thread!

 

[bootlegger]

Of course.

But if an 0.3 second difference is possible and it could be proven that the earlier car was tested under more favorable conditions I would expect typical differences between the two Mustangs to be closer to one second than . . . three. That still puts the two Mustangs closer to each other than either of them to the 1LE.


Norm

That is because the 1LE is at another level all together. It has better tires, much wider tires, coolers all around, and I believe rev matching. I expect the difference between a 17 and an 18 GT PP1 to be around 1 second on a track like Willow Springs, and much more on VIR.

 

[thill444]

Until they test a PP2 vs 1LE, it is pure speculation and people keep comparing the wrong cars.

As we approach spring/summer I am sure you will see more PP2 cars out there.

 

[MrMcCroder]

I just read this article myself and I didnt feel they favored the 1LE outside of just facts, they even admitted to trying to get a pp2 to compare but didnt have access to one, and they said on their "cowboy science" measurements that the mustang was better in almost every way but when it came to legitimate testing, the numbers were all in favor of the camaro. I dont think they favored either car, they just went with the numbers given in 2 totally different scenarios.

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