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You can't get take models out of GM's lineup. If the corvette didn't exist, there is a damn good chance Ford or another automaker would have something in that market.

So to answer your question, no...I don't think the camaro would sell "way" more. The only way the camaro sells "way" more is if the mustang and challenger disappear.
i have to disagree, anyone looking for an affordable track car, alot of vet owners, would go camaro because its superior performance, yea mustangs are way better for day to day living, but performance gm wins you can't argue it its been proven time and time again with the gen6
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i have to disagree, anyone looking for an affordable track car, alot of vet owners, would go camaro because its superior performance, yea mustangs are way better for day to day living, but performance gm wins you can't argue it its been proven time and time again with the gen6
I think you're grossly overestimating how many people actually track their vehicles.
 

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I think you're grossly overestimating how many people actually track their vehicles.
i don't think many track there car, but what i do think is people like saying my car is capable of this or that, if that wasn't the case why buy a performance car at all., not like you need to go 0 to 60 I 4 seconds and many will probably never try but they can say it can do it. so no corvette whats the next best track performance car the big 3 offer, it's camaro. ford or dodge have nothing to compete with the entire gen6 line, sucks but its the truth. I wish ford would've hooked up the gt with gt350 parts and male it more capable but they chose not to. and please don't bring up the gt500 and how it's gonna wreck stuff, there's very minimal info on it so that's beyond speculation
 

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Can we just get a PP2 vs 1Le comparo and let the chips fall where they will?
 

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check out koons with pdr
Keep in mind Koons online prices don't include freight, dealer fees or taxes, license, etc.

Freight and dealer fees are about $1200-1500 depending on which Koons dealer you buy the car from.

You are not getting a 1LE out the door for $40K or less.
 

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Keep in mind Koons online prices don't include freight, dealer fees or taxes, license, etc.

Freight and dealer fees are about $1200-1500 depending on which Koons dealer you buy the car from.

You are not getting a 1LE out the door for $40K or less.
really cause iv got one on order from my local gm dealer based off koons pricing, it was 40650 out the door, got whatever rebates they offered ay the time and the 2k for the mustang trade pretty sure I got the order in before they upped the 1le price
and i got 1k for owning a corvette
 
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I think the Ford engineers are being conservative in tuning the IRS because they are new to the game of IRS tuning. Remember what they did to the SRA and how they worked miracles taking it where no one expected. Ford engineers just need more time to try things with the IRS and develop the IRS.
 

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it was a base one and i talked to them at the time they refused to budge, i went to 8 different dealers all the same story
You could easily get one in my area for X-plan pricing for the last month or 2, plus be able to apply any incentives during delivery. The only way to get a PP2 up to 46k without going premium+, is to have a dealer markup. Who in their right mind would pay a markup for a non-limited car?
 

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i have to disagree, anyone looking for an affordable track car, alot of vet owners, would go camaro because its superior performance, yea mustangs are way better for day to day living, but performance gm wins you can't argue it its been proven time and time again with the gen6
A couple friends and coworkers own Vettes. Not a single one would ever own a Camaro. When you are in the market for a 2-seater sports car, you aren't going to settle for a fat 4-seater.
 

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while I agree with that, your building a car to compete with another you can't argue that, the top 3 all try to be the best. ford is lay too the party and not only bumped the price quite a bit but only just caught up with the other 2. pretty disappointing that couldn't put more effort in
Ford isn't "LAY" to the party. Ford invented the party in 1964 and the Camaro is a cheap copy. Ford reinvented the party in 2005 and history repeated itself with GM bringing the Camaro back as a copy once again.

i don't think many track there car, but what i do think is people like saying my car is capable of this or that, if that wasn't the case why buy a performance car at all., not like you need to go 0 to 60 I 4 seconds and many will probably never try but they can say it can do it. so no corvette whats the next best track performance car the big 3 offer, it's camaro. ford or dodge have nothing to compete with the entire gen6 line, sucks but its the truth. I wish ford would've hooked up the gt with gt350 parts and male it more capable but they chose not to. and please don't bring up the gt500 and how it's gonna wreck stuff, there's very minimal info on it so that's beyond speculation
The GT350R and GT500 performance show what the Mustang is capable of. Performance is one data point and it's foolish to think that people buy a car based on one thing. Otherwise everyone would be buying the 700+ hp full warrantied Mustangs from that place in Ohio. Even the small percentage of people who track their cars still spend 99% of their time commuting to work or driving around town. Most people don't buy a car based on 1% of what they are going to do with it. The priority is a car that is enjoyable for the majority of what you do with it.
 

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really cause iv got one on order from my local gm dealer based off koons pricing, it was 40650 out the door, got whatever rebates they offered ay the time and the 2k for the mustang trade pretty sure I got the order in before they upped the 1le price
and i got 1k for owning a corvette
So they gave you a $2K incentive for owning a Mustang and trading in, and $1K for owning a Corvette? I am confused? But hey $3K off for incetntives on top of other discounts is solid.

Your Ford pricing makes no sense as every dealer around me is knocking $3-4K off the 2018's with no haggling. Based on your price your paying a dealer markup forget any incentives.

Anyway sounds like you got a great deal on a car that better suits your needs (track focused car). Enjoy!
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