FRPP Stage 2 Tune VS Lund Tune

[thehunterooo]

I’ll have to get my fan settings changed too they are super loud and always seem to be on now.....

Nice write up though that is what I also seen with the Lund tune on the auto but I can’t compare it to anything other than stock. It does spin 1-2 and 2-3 even with better tires and the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts are hard.

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[codemanstang]

I'm installing my PP2 tomorrow, looking forward to the added performance.

You'll like it. It does wake the car up nicely. But if you want more I would definitely suggest tuning it with Lund.

 

[GNN60GT500]

Just stage 2. No Manifold, just the GT350 intake and Throttle body. I removed the FRPP Tune, and then put on the Lund tune. Left the parts the same. I can see how my description of parts in original post left for interpretation so i modified that to be clear.

Cool makes sense... damn I hate living in ca.. I'm stuck with only the Ford tunes as an option

 

[ZanarkO]

SO i had a FRPP Stage 2 with the FRPP tune. I just recently put on the lund tune. I couldnt find any reviews comparing the two so here you are: This is on a auto 15 mustang GT with Hearthrob H pipe, Borla S types, GT350 CAI/throttle body.

FRPP: The shifts arent as firm as i would like, good and bad because they are smooth, but when full throttling it you want a little more "oomph". The mid to low range torque is great. The car runs pretty much like stock on light driving, overall i think its a good tune for a daily driver, but it feels quite conservative still and leaves a little bit to be desired. The mid-low range torque is quite nice.

Lund: Much firmer shifts. I skert tires going from 1-2, and 2-3. Its awesome. I did lose some mid to low range though, and throttle response does not seem as sharp as the FRPP tune. When shifting at high rpm the car "kicks" into the next gear and will lunge forward. It feels much faster. The car is definitely louder exhaust wise if it was a 7 before its a 8-9 now. I also notice my fans are running on high, even when its in the low 50's outside. It kind of sucks for drive thrus and i think its a little bit overkill. The car also runs smoother then the FRPP tune, and sounds meaner. This is the first time i have really thought i need to upgrade my brakes lol The acceleration is much more linear.

Overall im not quite sure i am going to keep the lund tune or not for a daily driver. My kid mentioned she dosnt feel like she is "thrown into the seat" as much as the FRPP tune did (must be that mid to low range toruque) but we both liked slipping tires into 1-2 and 2-3 gear.

I haven't data logged yet and will soon and send back to lund. Just initial impressions.

UPDATE: I sent in my data logs to lund. Asked them to put fans back to normal, and if possible soften shifts ever so slightly on mid throttle. Ill see what happens.
I also drove the Lund tune a little more to work and back today, and I really like this tune for the trans a lot. This to me is a huge improvement in driveability over the Ford Racing tune.

update: Fans were put back to normal, all was good with the data logging. This tune is miles better then the FRPP tune. I would highly suggest it even fro daily driving.

can you go into abit more details in your original post as far as "Miles better" that does not give any information. Is it more powerful? is it smoother? I mean you need to be more specific

 

[Cruizer40]

can you go into abit more details in your original post as far as "Miles better" that does not give any information. Is it more powerful? is it smoother? I mean you need to be more specific

Ditto, I too would like more specifics if possible :cheers:

 

[codemanstang]

Np guys, ive had more time with the car now, and have worked with Lund a bit more.

1st, im going to be going back to stock Throttle Body. Car will sometimes stumble a little on startup, not really a big deal and only happens when running the car, turning off then starting again within a few minutes. I think stock TB is best anyhow.

Lund: Great customer support.

Daily driving in D (auto) with Lund tune: Car feels more peppy, even on light throttle it moves easier and isn't up shifting all the damn time like with the FRPP tune. You can really hear the exhaust now even in idle its just sounds better. the car now pulls hard all the way up to near 7k RPM, with the FRPP tune it seem like it wasn't making any power at the higher RPM's. The slight trade off i think is low end torque where the FRPP had it. I think gas mileage is right around the same. Maybe a hair less if i am driving like a bat outta hell.

When you put it into S and use paddles (Lund) car is a beast, at WOT and shift into 2nd you will break tires and fish tail a little in Track mode, so i been keeping it in Sport+ to keep some traction. I might have Lund back off the shifts at WOT a little just to keep good times, but dammit is it fun. I have no dyno results just seat of the pants, the car is pulling harder in upper RPM and gets there faster. You will chirp 3rd at WOT, but the car just feels like it wants to accelerate way harder it almost jumps to the next gear.
Also previously with FRPP you could hear the exhaust difference between normal, sport+ and track mode (opening the exhaust vales a bit more i presume)
Now you hear no difference but its louder then any of the previous settings with Lund.

I did race a tesla and a porsche 997 the other day. Could be drivers? or idk but i was a nose ahead of both from a dig on my stock tires. I was happy with that, the dude from the tesla asked me how much i paid to run like that, haha about 1k.

Maybe i will flash the FRPP tune back on the car, make a video drive around, do some WOT and normal driving, then do one with the Lund tune and give you guys a youtube video. It might show you more then i can explain. I hope this is somewhat helpful. If you have specific questions just ask!

 

[re-rx7]

From what i've heard from tuners, the PP2 tune is very very aggressive.

 

[Cruizer40]

Np guys, ive had more time with the car now, and have worked with Lund a bit more.

1st, im going to be going back to stock Throttle Body. Car will sometimes stumble a little on startup, not really a big deal and only happens when running the car, turning off then starting again within a few minutes. I think stock TB is best anyhow.

Lund: Great customer support.

Daily driving in D (auto) with Lund tune: Car feels more peppy, even on light throttle it moves easier and isn't up shifting all the damn time like with the FRPP tune. You can really hear the exhaust now even in idle its just sounds better. the car now pulls hard all the way up to near 7k RPM, with the FRPP tune it seem like it wasn't making any power at the higher RPM's. The slight trade off i think is low end torque where the FRPP had it. I think gas mileage is right around the same. Maybe a hair less if i am driving like a bat outta hell.

When you put it into S and use paddles (Lund) car is a beast, at WOT and shift into 2nd you will break tires and fish tail a little in Track mode, so i been keeping it in Sport+ to keep some traction. I might have Lund back off the shifts at WOT a little just to keep good times, but dammit is it fun. I have no dyno results just seat of the pants, the car is pulling harder in upper RPM and gets there faster. You will chirp 3rd at WOT, but the car just feels like it wants to accelerate way harder it almost jumps to the next gear.
Also previously with FRPP you could hear the exhaust difference between normal, sport+ and track mode (opening the exhaust vales a bit more i presume)
Now you hear no difference but its louder then any of the previous settings with Lund.

I did race a tesla and a porsche 997 the other day. Could be drivers? or idk but i was a nose ahead of both from a dig on my stock tires. I was happy with that, the dude from the tesla asked me how much i paid to run like that, haha about 1k.

Maybe i will flash the FRPP tune back on the car, make a video drive around, do some WOT and normal driving, then do one with the Lund tune and give you guys a youtube video. It might show you more then i can explain. I hope this is somewhat helpful. If you have specific questions just ask!

So your returning to the stock TB because of a stumble when shutting off and immediate start of the engine? So besides that the stock TB is performing better then the 350Wonder how?
Or is lund having a difficult time tuning the PP2 setup?
Thanks

 

[codemanstang]

From what i've heard from tuners, the PP2 tune is very very aggressive.

Im not sure about that. The shifts were rather dull, you would never slip tires, and though it had good low end torque, it felt rather flat in the higher RPM's

 

[codemanstang]

So your returning to the stock TB because of a stumble when shutting off and immediate start of the engine? So besides that the stock TB is performing better then the 350Wonder how?
Or is lund having a difficult time tuning the PP2 setup?
Thanks

sorry for late response been a crazy week.

Yeah so basically if the car was running. I turn it off then turn it back on like a minute or two later it would kinda stumble on startup. It wasnt a problem really it just didint seem right. I emailed lund and they advised maybe its the TB. So finally today i put the stock TB on, and uploaded the new tune Lund sent. Im freakin blown away now. Throttle response is much improved. It was kinda weird with the 350TB my low end throttle response wouldnt really be there i couldnt easily slide rear end in a turn like i could with stage 2 tune. But about 4k RPM it was ridiculous. Now its the same as far as the sharpness of throttle response, except now the car feels much more snappy, pulls harder..its really everything i was looking for. Lund did tell me before they sent the very first tune that there was no gains what so ever with th 350 TB. I didint notice these drawbacks with the ford tune. I have no idea why, but i definitely dont feel any loss of power going to stock TB.

From my research there is really no point upgrading the TB on a N/a build. This might be different for boost, but honestly its useless as far as adding power. I really enjoy the car now, such a freakin blast. I went out and did some donuts its just a race car now. I would not overlook a good tune ever again.

 

[Desert Rat]

Was going BACK to the stock TB plug and play so to speak? Just unbolt the GT350 and adapter then bolt on the stocker? And your GT350 CAI bolted up fine to the stock TB? Also, was flashing the tune any different than if you were stock? Assuming not...

I have the PP2 on a stick car and I detest the no lift shift crap. It's constantly kicking in when I don't want it to. I'm getting an aftermarket tune just to get rid of it. Issue is that now I also have this stupid GT350 TB that is worth no power and is hard to tune for.

I soooo wish I just woulda gotten an good aftermarket tune/cai from the get go.

 

[codemanstang]

Was going BACK to the stock TB plug and play so to speak? Just unbolt the GT350 and adapter then bolt on the stocker? And your GT350 CAI bolted up fine to the stock TB? Also, was flashing the tune any different than if you were stock? Assuming not...

I have the PP2 on a stick car and I detest the no lift shift crap. It's constantly kicking in when I don't want it to. I'm getting an aftermarket tune just to get rid of it. Issue is that now I also have this stupid GT350 TB that is worth no power and is hard to tune for.

I soooo wish I just woulda gotten an good aftermarket tune/cai from the get go.

Swapping the TB back to stock was cake. Remove the intake, (1 bolt 1 clamp) remove the TB (4 bolts) remove the adapter (4 bolts), install oem TB (4 bolts) put intake back in. Probably took about 40 minutes, could have been less if i didint drop my allen wrench lol and YES GT350 intake will 100% fit no problem on the stock throttle body, nothing is needed. You just clamp it down as you normally would, it fits perfect and seals just as you would want.

I have the Lund N guage, so i just uploaded the new tune to that, then uploaded the tune to the car the same way i did the other lund tunes.

I wish i just got the intake and tune as well. I FRPP stage 2 seemed like a good idea at the time, but looking back on it, i wouldnt do it again.

 

[Cruizer40]

sorry for late response been a crazy week.

Yeah so basically if the car was running. I turn it off then turn it back on like a minute or two later it would kinda stumble on startup. It wasnt a problem really it just didint seem right. I emailed lund and they advised maybe its the TB. So finally today i put the stock TB on, and uploaded the new tune Lund sent. Im freakin blown away now. Throttle response is much improved. It was kinda weird with the 350TB my low end throttle response wouldnt really be there i couldnt easily slide rear end in a turn like i could with stage 2 tune. But about 4k RPM it was ridiculous. Now its the same as far as the sharpness of throttle response, except now the car feels much more snappy, pulls harder..its really everything i was looking for. Lund did tell me before they sent the very first tune that there was no gains what so ever with th 350 TB. I didint notice these drawbacks with the ford tune. I have no idea why, but i definitely dont feel any loss of power going to stock TB.

From my research there is really no point upgrading the TB on a N/a build. This might be different for boost, but honestly its useless as far as adding power. I really enjoy the car now, such a freakin blast. I went out and did some donuts its just a race car now. I would not overlook a good tune ever again.

I installed my PP2 over the holiday break and though there are some gains it fails to deliver the WOW factor I was hoping for. Maybe going the route you went is the way to go.

 

[Freedom]

From what i've heard from tuners, the PP2 tune is very very aggressive.

Aggressive power wise with perfect drivability. I’m gonna assume pp2 doesn’t do aggressive tranny tweaks like Lund did so that you chirp 1,2,3 gears.

 

[codemanstang]

I installed my PP2 over the holiday break and though there are some gains it fails to deliver the WOW factor I was hoping for. Maybe going the route you went is the way to go.

Yup you got it. It's like oh nice increase in power but not "oh shit" I like the OH shit emotion

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