Warranty Engine Replacement - No Oil Pressure

[mustang1]

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I think I (or a detailer) could fix the hood, it seems minor all things considered. I contemplated requesting the dealer to keep my car indoors, I actually mentioned it once and they told me they can't keep up a bay for weeks on end with my car, and they'd likely push it in/out each day, so it'd still sit outside in the sun during the day. I figured this would give more opportunities for the car to get scratched/dented while it's being pushed around every day, so I said screw it...

hot sun won't hurt the car but bird poop can be very acidic and etch down to the sheet metal. They should get that off the paint same day.

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I'm also confused on why the tech didn't bother to clean the engine bay, I'm going to clean it myself while I look over everything anyway.

My car has leather seats but the inserts are cloth (or possibly alcantara, I'm unsure) for the cooled seats function. It doesn't smell like sweat, it smells like some sort of cheap cleaner spray they may have sprayed inside, or maybe it just smells like the inside of their service bay. I know my car was in their shop with the windows down for at least a full week.

doesn't seem like they treated your car much different than if you dropped off a Ford Focus for a new engine. Their attention to detail isn't very impressive. And they were slow. Did they really expect you to ignore the stripe? Strut tower brace is dusty with hand prints. It would have taken zero effort to wipe that.

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And yea $26k is nuts, which is why I'd be very nervous running this car out of warranty. I'm sure by then there will be aftermarket rebuild kits available so that would bring the cost way down. The new longblock from Ford is $22k~ with I believe a $2k core charge. Then it's just labor and fluids.

if the oil pump doesn't fail again for the remainder of the warranty, it probably won't. But you at least you will have the option of installing a billet OPG after that.

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[Roh92cp]

I'm iffy on adding my own oil temp sensor. Where did you add yours? I realize it may not be applicable but from what I know the Coyote and Voodoo share oil pumps so maybe they share oil filter housings as well (isn't this typically where oil pressure sensors go?). I wonder if I add a sensor and have another engine/oil problem in the future if Ford will give me shit about it. I don't want to have to fight them on anything drive train related.... I wish I could pay them to install an upgraded (billet) OPG and still keep my warranty.

As a safety measure, from now on I'm going to consider my normal commute (15-25 minutes) under warm up cycle and not go WOT. I'll only go WOT on longer leisure drives.

In your opinion what do you think caused my oil pump to fail? Is it high pressure from accelerating while the oil isn't up to temp? Or is it just related to vibration?

I did some more testing today and from a cold 50 degrees it took 5 minutes and 4 miles for my dummy gauge to register normal and my Prossport gauge was just moving off the lowest setting 120. It took another 10 minutes and a total of 12 miles to reach 170 on my ProSport gauge.

Can't be sure what caused the OPG failure in either of our cars but for sure having higher oil viscosity and less than optimal oil temps only adds more stress. The experts say OPG failure is caused by torsional vibrations on the crank snout which translate into the OPG causing stress. The other issue is crank jerk, where the engine under heaven load the crank changes speeds. This can happen say at full throttle and you hit a bunp, or just on and off throttle under heavy loads high rpm.

On another note I pulled my motor from above with transmission left in and the hood came off. If your hood was removed the telltale signs will be on the hood hedge bolts.

 

[kairojya]

I did some more testing today and from a cold 50 degrees it took 5 minutes and 4 miles for my dummy gauge to register normal and my Prossport gauge was just moving off the lowest setting 120. It took another 10 minutes and a total of 12 miles to reach 170 on my ProSport gauge.

Can't be sure what caused the OPG failure in either of our cars but for sure having higher oil viscosity and less than optimal oil temps only adds more stress. The experts say OPG failure is caused by torsional vibrations on the crank snout which translate into the OPG causing stress. The other issue is crank jerk, where the engine under heaven load the crank changes speeds. This can happen say at full throttle and you hit a bunp, or just on and off throttle under heavy loads high rpm.

On another note I pulled my motor from above with transmission left in and the hood came off. If your hood was removed the telltale signs will be on the hood hedge bolts.

Thanks for the info. That's very interesting about the oil temp, I'm going to call Ford Performance this week and talk to them about that regarding the GT350.

I don't mind if they removed the hood and pulled the engine out from the top. If they did, they did a good job reinstalling the hood and aligning it (if that's even applicable). The only issue I found was the stripe damage, which they agreed to fix/replace. I do feel like the front end of the car is looser and thought I noticed a clank sound while going around a turn (not high load) and hitting a bump. I'm keeping an eye on it, it may just be me looking for something that's not there.

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Otherwise so far so good driving the car for it's 4th trip. I've looked over the engine bay again and started cleaning it up. I found some light scratches on the driver's side frame rail. The engine oil level looks constant so far on the dipstick, though I've not put many miles through it.

Oh and today I entered the car after it had been outside in the sun for a few hours and the interior smell was pretty brutal! It was strong enough that it reminded me of something: fresh paint. It literally smells like being inside a room with freshly painted walls and no ventilation. Once I get the A/C going and circulate some air it's much more bearable, but I hadn't imagined I'd get my car back with an unpleasant cabin smell ... this actually may be the worse the part of this whole experience!

 

[Roh92cp]

Make sure you pay attention to good engine breakin procedures. Varied rpm driving with a rush close to redline from time to time. Do some good downshifting to help seat the rings as well. All good breakin treatment for the engine to help polish the cyl walls properly. Just don't baby it or let idle for long. Start her up and drive right away slowly under 3k for sure until oil is really really warm. Not dummy gauge warm:eyebulge:

 

[Wblv17]

Thanks for the info. That's very interesting about the oil temp, I'm going to call Ford Performance this week and talk to them about that regarding the GT350.

I don't mind if they removed the hood and pulled the engine out from the top. If they did, they did a good job reinstalling the hood and aligning it (if that's even applicable). The only issue I found was the stripe damage, which they agreed to fix/replace. I do feel like the front end of the car is looser and thought I noticed a clank sound while going around a turn (not high load) and hitting a bump. I'm keeping an eye on it, it may just be me looking for something that's not there.

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Otherwise so far so good driving the car for it's 4th trip. I've looked over the engine bay again and started cleaning it up. I found some light scratches on the driver's side frame rail. The engine oil level looks constant so far on the dipstick, though I've not put many miles through it.

Oh and today I entered the car after it had been outside in the sun for a few hours and the interior smell was pretty brutal! It was strong enough that it reminded me of something: fresh paint. It literally smells like being inside a room with freshly painted walls and no ventilation. Once I get the A/C going and circulate some air it's much more bearable, but I hadn't imagined I'd get my car back with an unpleasant cabin smell ... this actually may be the worse the part of this whole experience!

Try this. And leave the windows down tonight if its not outside.
https://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guy...6&sr=8-1&keywords=chemical+guys+new+car+smell

 

[stanglife]

It smells like their service area, I bet.

Shows that people working at a dealership aren't necessarily car people. If I worked there, I would have made sure to clean that poop the second I saw it.
...and the engine bay would be clean...and the car would be detailed. I hate people.

 

[Roh92cp]

It smells like their service area, I bet.

Shows that people working at a dealership aren't necessarily car people. If I worked there, I would have made sure to clean that poop the second I saw it.
...and the engine bay would be clean...and the car would be detailed. I hate people.

I agree and that's the difference, when someone else works on your car they are trying to get a job done to move on to another. I'm trying to get my job done right and take the time to clean along the way. My engine bay and engine is cleaner now than before. I took the time to wipe down with simplegreen when engine was out, and every old part put back on the new engine was cleaned before. No scratches on the frame rails either. One could not tell this engine had been removed or installed.

 

[crs2879]

Not defending the dealer, or Ford but I'm certain there is a set # of man hours Ford is willing to pay the dealer for the engine replacement....doubt it covers detailing of any kind. The attention to detail is something the dealership should take pride in but, unfortunately, as I tell my wife often, "Competency is an unrealistic expectation" anymore. When any businesses needs a worker more than the worker needs a job, it will be evident in the details.

 

[Roh92cp]

Not defending the dealer, or Ford but I'm certain there is a set # of man hours Ford is willing to pay the dealer for the engine replacement....doubt it covers detailing of any kind. The attention to detail is something the dealership should take pride in but, unfortunately, as I tell my wife often, "Competency is an unrealistic expectation" anymore. When any businesses needs a worker more than the worker needs a job, it will be evident in the details.

So true.

 

[mustang1]

Not defending the dealer, or Ford but I'm certain there is a set # of man hours Ford is willing to pay the dealer for the engine replacement....doubt it covers detailing of any kind. The attention to detail is something the dealership should take pride in but, unfortunately, as I tell my wife often, "Competency is an unrealistic expectation" anymore. When any businesses needs a worker more than the worker needs a job, it will be evident in the details.

Mechanic could have cleaned the top of the engine in very little time. And proactively pointed out the damage to the stripe rather than let OP discover that, or hope that he doesn't discover that. A smell may not be easy to prevent or get rid of, aside from letting it air out for a while.

Aside from that, a manager should have popped the hood and looked over the car before it was turned back over, and the oil slop on the intake, valve covers, and oil fill sticks out like a sore thumb. This might be satisfactory for an economy car but this is a show room floor type car that sells above MSRP.

 

[kairojya]

Make sure you pay attention to good engine breakin procedures. Varied rpm driving with a rush close to redline from time to time. Do some good downshifting to help seat the rings as well. All good breakin treatment for the engine to help polish the cyl walls properly. Just don't baby it or let idle for long. Start her up and drive right away slowly under 3k for sure until oil is really really warm. Not dummy gauge warm:eyebulge:

I've been driving it partial throttle and revving it out 3-6k rpms (depending on oil temp, albeit indicated by the gauge). I haven't gone WOT yet, I will this weekend after a proper long warm up. I also don't sit and idle on cold starts ... I used to until earlier this year I read about why it's bad. I also do a lot of engine breaking, I love blipping the throttle for downshifts while braking, sounds amazing!

 

[kairojya]

Try this. And leave the windows down tonight if its not outside.
https://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guy...6&sr=8-1&keywords=chemical+guys+new+car+smell

Thank you! I will try this.

Mechanic could have cleaned the top of the engine in very little time. And proactively pointed out the damage to the stripe rather than let OP discover that, or hope that he doesn't discover that. A smell may not be easy to prevent or get rid of, aside from letting it air out for a while.

Aside from that, a manager should have popped the hood and looked over the car before it was turned back over, and the oil slop on the intake, valve covers, and oil fill sticks out like a sore thumb. This might be satisfactory for an economy car but this is a show room floor type car that sells above MSRP.

I agree, my service advisor and the service director both were standing there while I was looking around in the engine bay with the hood opened. Neither of them seemed to care much about how dirty it was. Granted it could've been a lot dirtier. I cleaned it up easily enough, though I would've bene happy and surprised if they went the extra mile and cleaned it well.

 

[Roh92cp]

I've been driving it partial throttle and revving it out 3-6k rpms (depending on oil temp, albeit indicated by the gauge). I haven't gone WOT yet, I will this weekend after a proper long warm up. I also don't sit and idle on cold starts ... I used to until earlier this year I read about why it's bad. I also do a lot of engine breaking, I love blipping the throttle for downshifts while braking, sounds amazing!

Your on the right path than Not trying to sound like a know it all, just I did a lot of research lately on breakin. I'm always learning and forgetting and relearning:headbonk:

 

[kairojya]

Your on the right path than Not trying to sound like a know it all, just I did a lot of research lately on breakin. I'm always learning and forgetting and relearning:headbonk:

No worries, I appreciate it! I'm looking forward to hearing what the Ford Performance hotline says tomorrow when I ask them about the reported oil temperature.

 

[Voodooo]

It smells like their service area, I bet.

Shows that people working at a dealership aren't necessarily car people. If I worked there, I would have made sure to clean that poop the second I saw it.
...and the engine bay would be clean...and the car would be detailed. I hate people.

That's the problem with dealers. Aka production shops. All they care about is get them in and get them out ASAP.

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