2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[Epiphany]

To that end, I will again acknowledge and thank you for your contributions to the solution- most evident in that we can actually see our trans temps now with the factory installed sensor in the factory installed screen

But, I think posts that challange our perceptions on how the '16 packages were marketed and what they intended is fruitless at this point.

Thanks for the acknowledgement, I appreciate it. The FORscan find was an enjoyable one.

In life, some choose to always point the finger at someone else, while some have the capacity to think things through and express a certain level of accountability. Others don't care about either and simply take the bull by the horns and work things out regardless of any outside influence.

Endless post-package purchase blather doesn't get the coolers installed. At least you seem to recognize that.




Lemers, talk about weak. You posted this gem yesterday.

And @Epiphany I gave you a link. Thanks for ignoring information that doesn't support your argument.

I responded that I didn't see a link to ignore. You responded with this today...

The link on Pg 83. Advertises the GT350 as the most Track capable Mustang ever and capable of tackling the world's most challenging roads and tracks.

On page 83 (some six pages ago after other back and forth with you) there is one response from you that contained a link, and it was a response to Colleton, clearly, and had nothing to do with me.
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1503506&postcount=1242

Nice. Keep twisting.

The link on Pg 83. Advertises the GT350 as the most Track capable Mustang ever and capable of tackling the world's most challenging roads and tracks.

It did not distinguish performance between any models until near the very end. So all the claims made by ford prior to them talking about the different options are to be applied to ALL the GT350s no matter how they were optioned.

So the word "capable" is all inclusive, all of the time? Ya think this may have meant something in your be all, end all link? Did you see this in there too?

The forward-angled grille is designed with individual openings to draw air through the radiator, high-pressure engine air intake, cooling ducts for the front brakes and, optional with the Track Pack, an engine oil cooler and a transmission cooler.

The lightbulb never went off as to what any mention of a Track Pack car with specific coolers being mentioned? Silly, I know, because in your world everything ends when someone mentions "capable," including any ads, owners manual recommendations, etc, are made to clarify each package when ordering through a dealer. Come on.


ON EDIT....the available online pdf of the 2015 GT350 Mustang Supplement shows that it was first printed in July of 2015. Was it TLDR material for you prior to ordering your own car?
http://shnack.com/docs/2015-2016-Mustang-Shelby-GT350-Supplement-version-1_su_EN-US_07_2015.pdf

It was posted on the front page here at 6G in early of August, 2015. Limp mode was already being discussed in it.
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=726481&postcount=23

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[Tony Alonso]

Thread cleaned up. Continued bickering will result in infractions being given and userids suspended.

 

[Steve68]

I thought the dead horse cartoon was a useful public service announcement.

 

[Tomster]

I thought the dead horse cartoon was a useful public service announcement.

I thought it was tasteful and right on topic myself.

Isn't it funny how the two people that were banging heads on this topic last go around seem to have a more well rounded perspective to it this time?

You are a funny guy (Mungo) Steve

 

[lemers]

Thanks for the acknowledgement, I appreciate it. The FORscan find was an enjoyable one.

In life, some choose to always point the finger at someone else, while some have the capacity to think things through and express a certain level of accountability. Others don't care about either and simply take the bull by the horns and work things out regardless of any outside influence.

Endless post-package purchase blather doesn't get the coolers installed. At least you seem to recognize that.




Lemers, talk about weak. You posted this gem yesterday.



I responded that I didn't see a link to ignore. You responded with this today...



On page 83 (some six pages ago after other back and forth with you) there is one response from you that contained a link, and it was a response to Colleton, clearly, and had nothing to do with me.
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1503506&postcount=1242

Nice. Keep twisting.




So the word "capable" is all inclusive, all of the time? Ya think this may have meant something in your be all, end all link? Did you see this in there too?



The lightbulb never went off as to what any mention of a Track Pack car with specific coolers being mentioned? Silly, I know, because in your world everything ends when someone mentions "capable," including any ads, owners manual recommendations, etc, are made to clarify each package when ordering through a dealer. Come on.


ON EDIT....the available online pdf of the 2015 GT350 Mustang Supplement shows that it was first printed in July of 2015. Was it TLDR material for you prior to ordering your own car?
http://shnack.com/docs/2015-2016-Mustang-Shelby-GT350-Supplement-version-1_su_EN-US_07_2015.pdf

It was posted on the front page here at 6G in early of August, 2015. Limp mode was already being discussed in it.
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=726481&postcount=23

So let's try this again...

The link did refer to you. You posted the same old package description I posted fords announcement of the car.

"Capable" was in reference to its ability in comparison to Other mustangs. Made by ford not me.

I made my order in August before any reports of limp mode, oh and I couldn't change my order. Had a hard enough time just getting the stripe color changed.

I didn't have the same dealer experience as others, since I made my order through MAS.

Again, track package doesn't mean the car is exclusive to the track just like not having the track package means the car can't be driven on a track.

Why didn't ford advertise the limp mode without track package option. Then we wouldn't be able to complain.

 

[Epiphany]

Lemers, please. You didn't refer to me and everyone here can see that.

Can we get back to discussing the hardware that will mitigate the issue?

 

[lemers]

Lemers, please. You didn't refer to me and everyone here can see that.

Can we get back to discussing the hardware that will mitigate the issue?

Keep saying and maybe it will become true.

 

[Tank]

Thanks for the acknowledgement, I appreciate it. The FORscan find was an enjoyable one.

You're welcome Epiphany. Glad the Forscan find was enjoyable for you! Seriously...
For me, it was beyond enjoyable and gave me a new level of understanding on the capabilities and limitations of my GT350 :cheers:

 

[Minn19]

Lemers, please. You didn't refer to me and everyone here can see that.

Can we get back to discussing the hardware that will mitigate the issue?

That is my only issue with your arguments is the availability and types of the solutions. Nothing has been officially announced so we don't fully know what our options are. But, if they are as what the rumours say they are......Ford could've done a better job in supporting its customers IMO.

I don't want anything for free or handed to me. I mean of course I would, but I don't realistically expect or think Ford owes us a fix for free. But, 5k for a transmission/cooling kit with no warranty is tough to swallow. Also, the external cooling kit is incomplete as you have to source your own pump. And again, if the rumours are true you lose the warranty for your transmission.

And it has been a long time coming since people started asking for a fix. For us northern owners the track season will be over before it even gets officially announced or released. Sorry, I don't feel this is exactly their best effort and they could've tried a little harder.

 

[Epiphany]

Thank you for being realistic in terms of your expectations.

While you may see ads from FR or their distributors, I don't believe you will see some sort of "official" acknowledgement that some here are looking for. As I stated before, this issue was handed off to the performance parts people at FR - they didn't create it. An important distinction to consider when discussing the matter. And while they are focused on a solution, their hands are tied as to what service parts they can sell and at what price. The Parts and Service division at Ford keeps tight control over OEM factory parts distribution. Somebody at Ford/FR had to pitch this one to them to gain approval.

I agree, 5k for a factory solution isn't inexpensive. To be fair though, you didn't pay for the content just as a Track Pack owner didn't pay for the 8" screen/nav or heated and cooled seats. Bottom line is that vendor pricing, such as we have already seen from Buyfordracing with their $2,700 transmission price, will be much more reasonable.

I can't argue that the timeline on a fix hasn't been a bit drawn out, it has. At least the factory parts are up to the task, not always true when track use is the intention.

 

[Minn19]

Thank you for being realistic in terms of your expectations.

While you may see ads from FR or their distributors, I don't believe you will see some sort of "official" acknowledgement that some here are looking for. As I stated before, this issue was handed off to the performance parts people at FR - they didn't create it. An important distinction to consider when discussing the matter. And while they are focused on a solution, their hands are tied as to what service parts they can sell and at what price. The Parts and Service division at Ford keeps tight control over OEM factory parts distribution. Somebody at Ford/FR had to pitch this one to them to gain approval.

I agree, 5k for a factory solution isn't inexpensive. To be fair though, you didn't pay for the content just as a Track Pack owner didn't pay for the 8" screen/nav or heated and cooled seats. Bottom line is that vendor pricing, such as we have already seen from Buyfordracing with their $2,700 transmission price, will be much more reasonable.

I can't argue that the timeline on a fix hasn't been a bit drawn out, it has. At least the factory parts are up to the task, not always true when track use is the intention.

I don't disagree, but at least for somebody like me, the transmission swap/cooling kit fix would probably realistically be between 4-5k after parts and labor even at that price. If it came with the same warranty, I would at least consider it, but with no warranty I'll definitely pass.

Also, I know I didn't pay for the coolers, which is why I said they don't owe it to me for free. I was hoping for a bit better from Ford, that's all.

 

[Steve68]

I thought it was tasteful and right on topic myself.

Isn't it funny how the two people that were banging heads on this topic last go around seem to have a more well rounded perspective to it this time?

You are a funny guy (Mungo) Steve

Do you ever get this weird feeling of deja vu when reading these forums? :rant:

 

[Epiphany]

Who knows? Maybe FR will offer a trans/cooler part number with a warranty contingent upon the parts being installed at a Ford dealer, similar to the limited warranty Boss owners got if they had their Track Key install done that way. Hopefully they can do something like that.

 

[Minn19]

Who knows? Maybe FR will offer a trans/cooler part number with a warranty contingent upon the parts being installed at a Ford dealer, similar to the limited warranty Boss owners got if they had their Track Key install done that way. Hopefully they can do something like that.

Maybe, that would be nice.

 

[lemers]

To be fair about this...

I've never expected a Free Fix from ford.


The way I feel about this entire situation...

1. Ford created the problem by offering a sports cars that has heat issues
2. I feel that a year to package together a list of parts that already exist is way too long
3. One of the rumored "fixes" isn't even a complete package
4. Not backing up your parts with a warranty is schetchy
5. Voiding the warranty on those who get the Ford recommended coolers is wrong
6. Ford should sell it for Fords cost, so they aren't "profiting" on a situation they created
7. Ford could had prevented the problem by not stripping the coolers from a performance car that obviously needs them.

Some of my points are based on the cooler rumors from members that have talked to Ford, but a lot of members are using as fact for their discussion. So I'm basing those points on member provided info.

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