Possible Crash Cover Up: SHELBY GT350

[MAV]

Each asshole has a job.

And to relate assembly line work to a common meme I've seen recently:

You had ONE JOB!

If my entire responsibility on an assembly line is to make sure the rear bumper cover fits properly, I'm by God gonna make sure it fits properly on every car I touch. Period. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to take pride in what they do enough to ensure it's done well.

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[Minn19]

And to relate assembly line work to a common meme I've seen recently:

You had ONE JOB!

If my entire responsibility on an assembly line is to make sure the rear bumper cover fits properly, I'm by God gonna make sure it fits properly on every car I touch. Period. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to take pride in what they do enough to ensure it's done well.

There could be other issues at play that are managements fault as well though. Do they have the time to do it correctly or is the line moving so fast for production numbers that they don't?

It also could be rushed design issues. A lot of people are saying the rear bumper assembly on the GT350 is too heavy for the fasteners.

I'm not making excuses for poor workmanship, but there definitely could be more factors at play here.

FWIW OP, my bumper also looks the same way. My car is currently at the dealer because of a water leak in the rear driver passenger area and my Voodoo is using a lot of oil...........

 

[vernonator]

This thread is a sad testimony to the fact that we are so distracted as a society that we cant focus enough to build anything of quality anymore. Unless its a hell of a hamburger and or precision Weapons. The worm hole goes deeper then that but thats another off topic thread!

Sad, Sad, Sad!!!

Who is John Galt?

 

[jasonstang]

And to relate assembly line work to a common meme I've seen recently:

You had ONE JOB!

If my entire responsibility on an assembly line is to make sure the rear bumper cover fits properly, I'm by God gonna make sure it fits properly on every car I touch. Period. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to take pride in what they do enough to ensure it's done well.

I am an engineer and I take care of production too.
Sometimes, it's whoever designed the part's fault. If its hard to install correctly every time, doesn't matter how you fit it, there will be differences.
Also, production line workers are paid per piece not by hour. They also can only spend so much time on each car before causing delays in the production line.

 

[MAV]

There could be other issues at play that are managements fault as well though. Do they have the time to do it correctly or is the line moving so fast for production numbers that they don't?

It also could be rushed design issues. A lot of people are saying the rear bumper assembly on the GT350 is too heavy for the fasteners.

I'm not making excuses for poor workmanship, but there definitely could be more factors at play here.

I'm sure there are, but again if my job is to make sure something is attached or aligned properly, or if a fastener isn't cross-threaded during assembly, or whatever my "specialty" is, I'm going to do whatever it takes to make sure my part of the whole is done right. If that means complaining to management that a part doesn't fit right, or is difficult to install, or whatever, then so be it.

I have a job now. If I don't have the tools or material or time to do my job properly, I don't get to sit by and just do the best with what I have because eventually someone's going to notice that my part of the whole isn't as good as it needs to be. At that point, those looking at the problem are going to look at me as the source of the problem. It's too late to complain about tooling, materials, and time by then.

 

[Minn19]

I'm sure there are, but again if my job is to make sure something is attached or aligned properly, or if a fastener isn't cross-threaded during assembly, or whatever my "specialty" is, I'm going to do whatever it takes to make sure my part of the whole is done right. If that means complaining to management that a part doesn't fit right, or is difficult to install, or whatever, then so be it.

I have a job now. If I don't have the tools or material or time to do my job properly, I don't get to sit by and just do the best with what I have because eventually someone's going to notice that my part of the whole isn't as good as it needs to be. At that point, those looking at the problem are going to look at me as the source of the problem. It's too late to complain about tooling, materials, and time by then.

I hear what you are saying. But, not all companies give their employees the right tools/parts to do a great job. These companies often don't fix the issues when they are complained about by their employees. Trust me, my company is starting to turn into this and it sucks.

Bottom line is, we have no idea why the fit and finish sucks on Ford cars. There are many factors at play is all I'm saying.

 

[MAV]

Agree, and ultimately Ford Motor Company is responsible for the quality of they product they turn out to the public.

 

[Voodooo]

Look people. All I hear are excuse after excuse. All we the consumer ask for is a quality product from a 100+ year old business! I mean come on this isn't fords first car for God sake. I'll tell you something I know and you can all disagree if you like and I know this for a fact. It's all about production numbers. That's all it is. That's all any manufacturer cares about. How many and how fast. I know it's "just" a mustang but a Kia is just a Kia and it has better fitment.

 

[Voodooo]

And to relate assembly line work to a common meme I've seen recently:

You had ONE JOB!

If my entire responsibility on an assembly line is to make sure the rear bumper cover fits properly, I'm by God gonna make sure it fits properly on every car I touch. Period. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to take pride in what they do enough to ensure it's done well.

That's my point and that person makes a damn good living! People make less and produce better sometimes.

 

[Minn19]

Look people. All I hear are excuse after excuse. All we the consumer ask for is a quality product from a 100+ year old business! I mean come on this isn't fords first car for God sake. I'll tell you something I know and you can all disagree if you like and I know this for a fact. It's all about production numbers. That's all it is. That's all any manufacturer cares about. How many and how fast. I know it's "just" a mustang but a Kia is just a Kia and it has better fitment.

I don't disagree with you. But, we (the consumer) keep buying these things over and over so they aren't going to change until the consumer changes.

 

[IA350]

Here is gap on my 17. Gap bigger by tail lights and gets very tight as it dips to the indentation in quarter panel. It is the same on both sides of my car. Overall these are the worst. The rest of the gaps on the car are pretty even, but then I'm no body man either.

 

[Cobra Jet]

I am an engineer and I take care of production too.
Sometimes, it's whoever designed the part's fault. If its hard to install correctly every time, doesn't matter how you fit it, there will be differences.
Also, production line workers are paid per piece not by hour. They also can only spend so much time on each car before causing delays in the production line.

I'll give you the "delay"part as that is understandable from a production standpoint...

HOWEVER - once the vehicle gets to the end of the line, as in finished being built - is a blind QC Inspector doing the final inspection on the exterior fit/finish?

I mean for crying out loud, it doesn't seem like anyone at Ford gives a rats ass about the quality of the product. By all means, snip this and send it up the line - because I would honestly like to see real employees from Flat Rock respond here and hell while we're at it - WTF is Management doing about it? Apparently N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

 

[Voodooo]

Here's another thing. I ordered my car July of 2015. It's build date was 10/21/15. It then sat in the flat rock yard for 3 months. Plenty of time for inspections and repairs.

 

[secstang03]

A lot of people are saying the rear bumper assembly on the GT350 is too heavy for the fasteners.

Although I have the same issue and have read this repeatedly, I am not sure this is the case.

I was at a local Ford dealer Wednesday who had a Saleen sitting on the showroom floor. The best I could tell, the rear bumper and valance was the same as the GT and it had the gaps as well.

 

[MAV]

And other non-GT350 S550s are having the same problem as well.

So, how do we fix it? I'm going to look under the bumper this weekend to see if I can find anywhere to install support straps or something of that nature.

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