V6 to 5.0 Coyote engine swap

[Mike02z]

Forget the work to do this for a second. I have to think a Coyote engine costs close to 10k new so why get a V6 if the V8 is going to cost the same as buying a GT in the first place?

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[uglygun]

Putting a coyote into something that never had a coyote like a 95 Mustang or a 69 Fastback?

Cool as hell.

Putting a coyote in something you could just buy with a coyote to begin with? Pissing money away in the most pointless and futile way ever devised.

Dude...

Want the car in a certain color?

Buy used and paint it. Will be out way less than if you try to buy the new color with a v6 then put the engine in it. Or just buy it correctly the first time as optioned. If you cannot afford it wait and save.

 

[Stormtrooper5.0]

How about get the V6 and swap it with a 3.5L Ecoboost V6.

 

[MrBoogie]

Yup, this is what I was going to say . May make sense to do in a 20 year old car , but not anything newer .

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Engine swaps didn't used to require much more than changing the motor mounts and the front springs. These days, you'd have to replace half the car. It would only make sense if somebody wanted a current model steel body race car. Even then, it would make more sense to buy a body in white.

 

[Coconut]

The price difference between a V6 and GT is $8500, which is ALOT cheaper than sourcing a Coyote and all other necessary parts to make the conversion. If you're looking to save a couple thousand, take advantage of the 0% financing for 2016. You won't get lightning blue though.

 

[zackmd1]

Anything is possible when you throw a budget out the window.

That being said, even with these conservative numbers being thrown around for the "everything went right" swap, you'd have GT premium money invested in a butchered V6 with no options and without a warranty. What would be the advantage? You would blend in with every other 5.0 car on the street, minus the resale value.

If I were to spend 10k+, I'd want my car to at least stand out from the thousands of identical vehicles on the road.

Look at it from my perspective..... In 2 years time my car will be paid off but will have over 120,000 miles on it so trade in value will be very low. Why start off with base GT and a new car loan when I can use the down payment for the V8 swap on my current car? And your assuming I will be buying a complete stock drivetrain. I can get a used F150 5.0 for much cheaper then the mustang 5.0 and refresh it with gt350 heads, cam, and intake for about the same amount of cash as a crate 5.0 costs (maybe slightly over depending on the deals I find). Add in a TREMEC trans (not getting the mt82) and that alone is quite different from a "standard" mustang GT.

So now let's look at the score cards... I will have a car with a 475-500+ hp 5.0 and good trans for the same down payment as I would have done on a new stock GT. Plus I keep all of my current mods, all of my interior mods, exterior mods, and suspension mods (might have to change out the front shocks because of increased weight)

So no I will not have a stock no options GT at GT premium cost. I will have a GT that is EXACTLY how I want it with no monthly car payment. See the value now? Plus it will be a fun project as I enjoy digging that deep into a car.

 

[ANGST]

Plus it will be a fun project as I enjoy digging that deep into a car.

If you go into it as a fun project, I'd say go right ahead , swap in the F150 motor , do the cams , tune it, etc... If done right it would be an awesome project to show off.

However it's probably not the best economic option .

 

[zackmd1]

If you go into it as a fun project, I'd say go right ahead , swap in the F150 motor , do the cams , tune it, etc... If done right it would be an awesome project to show off.

However it's probably not the best economic option .

Do we ever modify cars with "economic options" in mind? :lol: The bottom line for me is that I do not want a monthly car payment after my 15 is paid off. So putting money into the 15 to keep it updated and running is better to me then trading a car in every 3-4 years and starting over on a car loan.

To what the OP is asking though, he is better off getting a GT to start with if he can afford it. Problem is sometimes it just isn't possible. While I could have afforded a GT car payment, the insurance at 19 years old was almost double what the V6 cost. That is why I went with the 6 to start.

 

[ihc95]

pretty sure the OP just trolled everyone

 

[magnetic16gt]

To what the OP is asking though, he is better off getting a GT to start with if he can afford it. Problem is sometimes it just isn't possible. While I could have afforded a GT car payment, the insurance at 19 years old was almost double what the V6 cost. That is why I went with the 6 to start.

That brings up another point. If you do a 5.0 swap, are you letting your insurance company know? If the car is totaled, are you just out all of that money that you invested?

I get some of the points. I had a '99 V6 about 11 years ago and I always got interested in the 4.6 swap. Or the infamous auto to manual swap. A few people attempted it and the cost ballooned exponentially from their initial thought and the whole process generally took several months longer than anticipated. So you have to factor in the cost of a second car to drive during the whole process as well...

I think most people are just saying that you're going to end up paying more for the same car. If finances are an issue now, purchase the car that makes sense and trade up when the finances allow. You will still be out ahead and will likely have extra money to mod out the GT. If it's for the sake of enjoying the work, I can understand that. But it would probably be a whole lot cheaper to keep the V6 intact to drive daily and purchase a neat project car. This way, you'll have a fun, reliable vehicle to daily drive while you go crazy on the project.

 

[Genxer]

Not exactly sure why everyone is so against it. Yes getting a GT up front will be easier but if you stick with new then it's not cheaper. A 5.0 swap can be done for around $7-8k as long as you find the right deals on eBay and are capable of doing the work yourself. I have been researching this for awhile. Once my 6 is paid off this is likely what I will be doing.

To answer your questions though, the trans, computer, exhaust, and drive shaft have to/should be swapped. While the internals of the transmission are the same from V6 to V8, the bell housing bolt pattern is different.

This swap would not be easy but it's not completely crazy as some would like to believe. Cheaper then a supercharger and you get a way better sound.

There's also the labor costs and hassles associated with a swap. When you pay off the V6, trade it in on a used GT. Should be plenty on the market. You are reaching the same end, and with the GT you can finance the purchase. And it works at the first turn of a key. In the end, doing that swap doesn't yield anything that stands out. Now a Coyote swap in a Fox body or something unusual would be an interesting project.

A turbo V6 would be a nice setup I think, because you'd have less weight up front compared to a GT, and plenty of hp. If you are into that sort of thing.

 

[zackmd1]

That brings up another point. If you do a 5.0 swap, are you letting your insurance company know? If the car is totaled, are you just out all of that money that you invested?

I get some of the points. I had a '99 V6 about 11 years ago and I always got interested in the 4.6 swap. Or the infamous auto to manual swap. A few people attempted it and the cost ballooned exponentially from their initial thought and the whole process generally took several months longer than anticipated. So you have to factor in the cost of a second car to drive during the whole process as well...

I think most people are just saying that you're going to end up paying more for the same car. If finances are an issue now, purchase the car that makes sense and trade up when the finances allow. You will still be out ahead and will likely have extra money to mod out the GT. If it's for the sake of enjoying the work, I can understand that. But it would probably be a whole lot cheaper to keep the V6 intact to drive daily and purchase a neat project car. This way, you'll have a fun, reliable vehicle to daily drive while you go crazy on the project.

I will let the company know. Again at the time that I will likely do this swap I will have the finances to back it up. Its not about being cheaper, its about having a fun project car. Who knows, 2 or so years from now there might be a full 5.2 flate plane crate engine available or at least the parts (crank shaft) available to make one.

 

[zackmd1]

There's also the labor costs and hassles associated with a swap. When you pay off the V6, trade it in on a used GT. Should be plenty on the market. You are reaching the same end, and with the GT you can finance the purchase. And it works at the first turn of a key. In the end, doing that swap doesn't yield anything that stands out. Now a Coyote swap in a Fox body or something unusual would be an interesting project.

A turbo V6 would be a nice setup I think, because you'd have less weight up front compared to a GT, and plenty of hp. If you are into that sort of thing.

Labor costs go away if you have the tools and ability to complete the swap yourself.

 

[zackmd1]

A turbo V6 would be a nice setup I think, because you'd have less weight up front compared to a GT, and plenty of hp. If you are into that sort of thing.

That might be something I will be doing in the very near future with EB 3.5 turbos and components. Doesn't change the fact that in two years time my 3.7 drivetrain will have 120,000+ miles on it.

 

[MikeyV]

Zac, breh, step away from the pipe.

This will not go well.

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