2015-17 Mustang GT Ford Performance Power Packs

[Chad11491]

Chatted with ford performance just now.

The stage 1 and 2 power packs raise the redline to 7200rpm. Stage 3 is 7500.

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[RevvdMedia]

As I recall, Ford tested the Coyote by running it at redline for 10 days straight ... c'mon people the occasional redline is not a problem.

And everyone is so paranoid about the tune blowing the engine ... all the safety measures are still in place. GM & Ford always leave power on the table for the tuners ... we buy their Camaros & Mustangs to hop them up a bit ... many of us anyway.

They know that and they sell plenty of parts to us to take some of that power off the table.

Knowing there's room to up the power is a selling feature for me actually when considering a performance car. My 2 cents.

I don't think the issue is people scared of redlining the engine, it's more along the lines that in the city, you can usually only hit redline in first gear, then you're speeding. In terms of usability, low end torque is more logical for daily driving. Track racers will get more of the high RPM advantage.

And regarding those afraid the tune will blow up the engine, again I don't think most people are afraid the tune will harm anything, at least I'm not. I'm more concerned that if something does go wrong due to a manufacturing defect (clutch related issues as some have had, or other issues), I'd rather not fight too hard with Ford if I have a full aftermarket tune. Part of my budgetary factor of buying a brand new car is the fact I should have very little or no out of pocket repair expenses until it's paid off (assuming nothing non-powertrain takes a dump). Don't take that as I've budgeted to the cent with that consideration, but I do like my vacations, camera gear, occasional savings...lol. Rather not be spending that fixing my car I'm making monthly payments on.

 

[wildcatgoal]

^ Agreed. With the frustration upon fights upon pain and suffering I have experienced with dealers either "mysteriously not finding an issue" (because they won't do diagnostics for real) or "not covering an issue" (because "that's normal"... uh huh, if that were true it wouldn't have just started doing it) or whatever, it's nice to be able to say to the service writer who's been told by the dealership owner/manager to shoe-away anyone with a tune expecting warranty work that "This is a Ford-approved tune, now stop fighting me!" I mean a guy I know had issues with a dealer wanting to refuse to replace is A/C compressor because he has a tune and a CAI. WTF?! Such a pain to have to deal with, especially if it's your own car and now that dealers don't seem all that interested in giving loaners without begging.

 

[Mustang_Lou]

I understand your concerns guys ... I guess it`s just where everyone draws that line of concern ... mine`s at a different place than yours.

 

[SK GT]

Chatted with ford performance just now.

The stage 1 and 2 power packs raise the redline to 7200rpm. Stage 3 is 7500.

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[wildcatgoal]

If Ford dealerships in my area weren't such a royal pain or didn't require my car for days and days and days with no loaner to do diagnostics/repairs/wait for parts (at least the ones I've been to), I would be all up Livernois' or Ken at Palm Beach Dyno's face right now getting a tune. It is my fear of having the "covered under warranty fight" given my experience that stops me. I'm jealous of people who don't have that worry... or the money to not have to worry about it!

 

[Blk2015GT]

Equally, if something a ford dealer did to the car damages the car, surely that's justification for a claim against the dealer. Ford can't really win, if the tune is faulty then they are admitting liability for creating a damaging product, if the tune isn't faulty then it shouldn't have caused the damage.

Just FYI Ford Performance is NOT Ford Motor Company. Related yes but not the same company. Common misconception.

FP products are and have always been (even back to when it was called Ford Racing) considered aftermarket parts, regardless if they used OEM FMC parts. It's not the way the car came fro the plant, so it's aftermarket even being an OEM FMC part from another car.

It is not FMC's tune, it's FP's, and your OEM warranty specifically disclaims aftermarket tunes (in more words); which FP's tune is aftermarket. Hence why FP offers a limited warranty.

The reason FP's pack doesnt void your FMC warranty is due to an agreement between FP and FMC that it doesnt, with restrictions such as the scenario after 3/36k and your 5/60 powertrain clashing. There's no such cooperative agreement addressing that.

Believe me their huge team of lawyers who draft these things are smarter than all of us combined and have your cajones in a vice; or it will cost you WAY more than the repair to fight where it makes no sense. Warranties are written completely slanted to the manufacturer to protect them and give you very limited remedies.

It's VERY simple to say the tune pushed the car beyond what the broken OEM part was intended to handle regardless if you know from these forums the car can handle a lot more power stock as that's not evidence; warranty work denied you must pay for it to get fixed. It will then be your (COSTLY) burden to try to prove otherwise; and likely more costly than paying to just fix the problem.

 

[tom_sprecher]

If Ford dealerships in my area weren't such a royal pain or didn't require my car for days and days and days with no loaner to do diagnostics/repairs/wait for parts (at least the ones I've been to), I would be all up Livernois' or Ken at Palm Beach Dyno's face right now getting a tune. It is my fear of having the "covered under warranty fight" given my experience that stops me. I'm jealous of people who don't have that worry... or the money to not have to worry about it!

I've had a good experiences with Wade Ford in Smyrna for service, but you still have to watch them like a hawk. If you know an ASE certified tech can you do the work and have him sign off on it?

 

[ConqSoft]

Got charged for my Stage 1 today so it should be on the way soon. Can't wait.

 

[Sasuketr]

Chatted with ford performance just now.

The stage 1 and 2 power packs raise the redline to 7200rpm. Stage 3 is 7500.

Can we confirm the power pack 1 redline of 7200 rpm with one of the current owners? Anyone willing to confirm this?

 

[Eljay52]

I got my Power Pack yesterday from Levittown Supercenter. $396.75. Will probably upload the tune this weekend. As you might have read in one of my previous posts I seem to have no problem hitting the rev limiter. I will post what my impression is. On another note, my car is at the dealer having another tire replaced after hitting a large steel object in the road on my way home last night. Tire plus alignment plus sensor =$540.00. My second ruined tire since May. Haven't had a flat tire since 1995 now two in one summer. Forget that inflator gadget. Didn't seal tightly and blew latex all over. Off topic, I know, but had to rant.

 

[69mach1-395]

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[andybird123]

Just FYI Ford Performance is NOT Ford Motor Company. Related yes but not the same company. Common misconception.


It's VERY simple to say the tune pushed the car beyond what the broken OEM part was intended to handle regardless if you know from these forums the car can handle a lot more power stock as that's not evidence; warranty work denied you must pay for it to get fixed. It will then be your (COSTLY) burden to try to prove otherwise; and likely more costly than paying to just fix the problem.

I dont know what its like in the US, but in the UK you can hold credit card companies equally liable. All consumer contracts are also governed to say that products and services should be fit for purpose and provided with reasonable care. If its offered through the dealerships here as well then it doesnt matter that Ford MC and Ford Racing are 2 different companies as your contract is always with the dealership.

So if Ford say the tune damaged the car they would be stitching up their dealership and proving that they installed something on the car that wasnt fit for purpose.

I've raised a number of claims on my CC and all have paid out without too much hassle. An "independent" report is pretty much all it takes so having a friendly garage say it was the tune that was "faulty goods" would be enough to get a payout.

 

[SK GT]

I got my Power Pack yesterday from Levittown Supercenter. $396.75. Will probably upload the tune this weekend. As you might have read in one of my previous posts I seem to have no problem hitting the rev limiter. I will post what my impression is. On another note, my car is at the dealer having another tire replaced after hitting a large steel object in the road on my way home last night. Tire plus alignment plus sensor =$540.00. My second ruined tire since May. Haven't had a flat tire since 1995 now two in one summer. Forget that inflator gadget. Didn't seal tightly and blew latex all over. Off topic, I know, but had to rant.

Are you going to get warranty coverage if you upload it yourself? Or having a shop sign off on it?

 

[Blk2015GT]

I dont know what its like in the US, but in the UK you can hold credit card companies equally liable. All consumer contracts are also governed to say that products and services should be fit for purpose and provided with reasonable care. If its offered through the dealerships here as well then it doesnt matter that Ford MC and Ford Racing are 2 different companies as your contract is always with the dealership.

So if Ford say the tune damaged the car they would be stitching up their dealership and proving that they installed something on the car that wasnt fit for purpose.

I've raised a number of claims on my CC and all have paid out without too much hassle. An "independent" report is pretty much all it takes so having a friendly garage say it was the tune that was "faulty goods" would be enough to get a payout.

The dealership/Ford isn't admitting anything. If you bring a dealership a set of aftermarket wheels theyll mount the tires and put them on the car. Theyll put on a Roush blower. They do mechanic work for money, out of warranty too.

Ford Motor Company has a contract with Ford Performance not to void the warranty on the 3/36k bumper to bumper warranty, NOT beyond that into the 5/60k powertrain portion. Ford Performance picks up the tab if something breaks within the 3/36k due to their tune, up to $7,500 I believe it is per FP's limited warranty; not FMC under the original warranty. Anything unrealted like a door lock is still your original warranty repair by FMC.

It is a purely contractual issue; after the period contracted for is up FMC theoretically (since it hasnt happened yet) doesnt have to do anything further under the rest of your powertrain warranty if the tune cause the failure. The contractual obligation to repair any issues the tune caused ends at 3 years 1 day from the car manufacture date, or 36,001 miles; whichever is first.

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