February 2016 Mustang Sales

[thePill]

When I sat in the 2016 SS, I felt like a 3 year old in a bathtub.

Me too...


But anyway, long story short...


The Convertible reinforcement was removed from the Camaro to save weight. This weight is anywhere from 75lbs up to 125lbs (which is what the Mustang gained in 2007 from the Vert and GT500).

I'm sure they are trying to push the convertible back far enough so they can offset the gain. They need to offset this 75-120lbs of reinforcement the Vert brings.

Or, they could make the upgrade convertible specific. But the cost of a Vert would skyrocket.

Either way, it's killing them and thePill pretty much told ya' so. I didn't think the sales numbers would be this low (5000-6000). I also wouldn't have said the Vert would be delayed for 18-24 months. The weight gain would be less of an issue in the Spring of 2017.

The SS also needs 14-15 inch front rotors. Both the GT and SS need a 14 in the rear. I also believe if the vert was availible on day 1, the base MSRP would have broke my MSRP ceiling. I believe it was $38.5k maybe... not sure...

Im not sure when the Ecoduke is going to be availible and if they are selling the vert now. I absolutely hate the coupe.

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[Todd15Fastback]

Oh come on! Didn't you love the 794 pages of bickering about weights?

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I just finally got rid of the nervous tick that I acquired by reading those threads and responses

 

[ZaneWayne]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I just finally got rid of the nervous tick that I acquired by reading those threads and responses

Hahaha. He's back at it though. With the lies and skewing the facts.

Edit: and I apologize in advance for my arguing with him. I can't help it haha.

 

[jtmat]

Hahaha. He's back at it though. With the lies and skewing the facts.

Edit: and I apologize in advance for my arguing with him. I can't help it haha.

ThePill basically answered the question and moved on... never mentioned your name or even a hint or "side attack".

You could not help but send a personal attack in his direction. :shrug: :tsk:

Hopefully he will let you argue with yourself.

It is about your style though... over and over... but the mods allow it.

 

[thePill]

ThePill basically answered the question and moved on... never mentioned your name or even a hint or "side attack".

You could not help but send a personal attack in his direction. :shrug: :tsk:

Hopefully he will let you argue with yourself.

It is about your style though... over and over... but the mods allow it.

I'm not sure what facts were twisted, it was a huge gamble and I doubt it will pay off. The level the GT is performing requires additional support engineered into the structure.

The Alpha doesn't support convertible body styles. Reinforcement is only present via sub-frame connectors. A very inexpensive method... It's merely chopping the top off and redesigning a few panels. The Corvette integrated all its support into the structure AND, it entered the market at $49,998. One of the factors here is the MSRP, another the aweful styling. There is absolutely no way the Camaro Alpha could absorb that cost and stay within the $36,500-$38,000 window. I can't see the Alpha platform surviving the trials of a 1LE SS, z28 and ZL1 without some major support. It's just a 4 cylinder chassis ya' know... In my opinion, the structure will need updated once the high performance variants come out. IF they survive the sales, they will need to re-engineer this platform as time goes on. Just as the S197 and 5th Gen did. Chevy went through all the steps to keep the weight and MSRP down yet the cost increase was pretty high... and the weight achieved was done so by eliminating valuable support and equipment.


First mistake was the sh!tty styling, inside and out. The car only looks good from the front 3/4 and the seats are the only nice thing inside. The dash is pretty dumb... Second mistake was the strange MSRP hike for no reason... Third was gutting the support out... the same support that's going to allow the Camaro to compete on the World Class stage. The Mustang and Corvette have done this, the Camaro has not... They still haven't saved the weight they wanted. 2SS's are pushing 3800lbs already. With so much sacrificed... the 5th Gen was better equipped for performance. There were some very poor trade offs going to 110.7 inch wheelbase. The car has goofy geometry for a performance vehicle... I put a picture up of the SS I seen tonight in FB, the rear is horrible.

Regardless, I knew people wouldn't bite... they can't even get Fleet/Rental to take them. No twisting the sales numbers except to say... many of the 6100 sales may have been 2015's :lol: The Alpha was depending on the Camaro to sell volume. The Alpha, and all three vehicles built on it, are sales failures...

 

[ZaneWayne]

I'm not sure what facts were twisted, it was a huge gamble and I doubt it will pay off. The level the GT is performing requires additional support engineered into the structure.

The Alpha doesn't support convertible body styles. Reinforcement is only present via sub-frame connectors. A very inexpensive method... It's merely chopping the top off and redesigning a few panels. The Corvette integrated all its support into the structure AND, it entered the market at $49,998. One of the factors here is the MSRP, another the aweful styling. There is absolutely no way the Camaro Alpha could absorb that cost and stay within the $36,500-$38,000 window. I can't see the Alpha platform surviving the trials of a 1LE SS, z28 and ZL1 without some major support. It's just a 4 cylinder chassis ya' know... In my opinion, the structure will need updated once the high performance variants come out. IF they survive the sales, they will need to re-engineer this platform as time goes on. Just as the S197 and 5th Gen did. Chevy went through all the steps to keep the weight and MSRP down yet the cost increase was pretty high... and the weight achieved was done so by eliminating valuable support and equipment.


First mistake was the sh!tty styling, inside and out. The car only looks good from the front 3/4 and the seats are the only nice thing inside. The dash is pretty dumb... Second mistake was the strange MSRP hike for no reason... Third was gutting the support out... the same support that's going to allow the Camaro to compete on the World Class stage. The Mustang and Corvette have done this, the Camaro has not... They still haven't saved the weight they wanted. 2SS's are pushing 3800lbs already. With so much sacrificed... the 5th Gen was better equipped for performance. There were some very poor trade offs going to 110.7 inch wheelbase. The car has goofy geometry for a performance vehicle... I put a picture up of the SS I seen tonight in FB, the rear is horrible.

Regardless, I knew people wouldn't bite... they can't even get Fleet/Rental to take them. No twisting the sales numbers except to say... many of the 6100 sales may have been 2015's :lol: The Alpha was depending on the Camaro to sell volume. The Alpha, and all three vehicles built on it, are sales failures...

You do twist the facts. Sorry lol.The 2SS with every single option is still not 3,800. The 2SS manual is barely over 3,700, something like 3,705. The car has a much stiffer platform than the 5th gen, and every model needs stiffer bracing for convertibles. The Camaro just didn't include to the convertible bracing on the coupe.....ya know.... because its the couple lol. I will not argue the pricing. It is high, I wish they would have went the Ford route and made the SS start about 34k and then add the other stuff. But once you add the stuff to the Mustang that the Camaro already has, they are within a $1,500 gap.

 

[ZaneWayne]

ThePill basically answered the question and moved on... never mentioned your name or even a hint or "side attack".

You could not help but send a personal attack in his direction. :shrug: :tsk:

Hopefully he will let you argue with yourself.

It is about your style though... over and over... but the mods allow it.

If calling out out the blatant lying or skewing facts is a personal attack......sure. If you want to believe them, that's your call. I know its hard to show tone via text, but I assure you that I was not attacking him. ThePill and I have a decent rapport lol.

 

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*sigh.....

 

[Big Boss]

This thread with a cup of coffee has made for a great morning read.

I am sure the Camaro sales will pick up a bit once the I4 and convertible are released, but I think the Mustang will retain the sales edge. The S550 still pulling these kinds of sales numbers is awesome. To me it seems the 6th gen Camaro stayed to close to comfort in the styling department. Despite the fact the rest of the car is much much better than the 5th gen, the styling may not have enough "wow" to it to draw in new buyers.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

This thread with a cup of coffee has made for a great morning read.

I am sure the Camaro sales will pick up a bit once the I4 and convertible are released, but I think the Mustang will retain the sales edge. The S550 still pulling these kinds of sales numbers is awesome. To me it seems the 6th gen Camaro stayed to close to comfort in the styling department. Despite the fact the rest of the car is much much better than the 5th gen, the styling may not have enough "wow" to it to draw in new buyers.

My bulletproof coffee has been very enjoyable while reading

 

[ZaneWayne]

This thread with a cup of coffee has made for a great morning read.

I am sure the Camaro sales will pick up a bit once the I4 and convertible are released, but I think the Mustang will retain the sales edge. The S550 still pulling these kinds of sales numbers is awesome. To me it seems the 6th gen Camaro stayed to close to comfort in the styling department. Despite the fact the rest of the car is much much better than the 5th gen, the styling may not have enough "wow" to it to draw in new buyers.

/thread. You nailed it.

 

[BluByeU]

Ahh the joys of gear-heads arguing over weight savings, performance options, which drivetrain is far superior...in my Rodney King voice "can't we all just get along?!"

 

[Big Boss]

Ahh the joys of gear-heads arguing over weight savings, performance options, which drivetrain is far superior...in my Rodney King voice "can't we all just get along?!"

Where is the fun in that then haha?

 

[BluByeU]

Zero! Nada!! Zilch!!! In all honesty it's more informative than entertaining...hell I learn more about Mustangs/Camaros/Corvettes/Bimmers by simply being a member of this forum :clap2:

Where is the fun in that then haha?

 

[ZaneWayne]

Where is the fun in that then haha?

If everyone got along, the car world would be boring lol. :cheers:

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