Honda beats a 5.0?

[FordTechOne]

Let's look at Honda's V8...that's right there is none. Why do you think that is true? They can't figure out how to build one? Unlikely. They don't use many turbos either. My point is, they don't build a car like your coveted 2017 Fusion because they choose not to build it. Imagine that, and they still sell a lot of cars without having to resort to gimmicks. Their philosophy is different. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

How ironic that you should say that, considering that the only "gimmick" is labeling a model as a "Sport" when the only difference between the standard and "Sport" model is some cheap appearance modifications.

Nobody cares about anyone's "philosophy", you are going off on a tangent. The bottom line is the Fusion Sport will be a real performance model, while it's competition labels their models as "Sport" with nothing more than some cosmetic changes.

I suppose you think that a GT Performance Pack is a "gimmick" because they give you actual performance upgrades instead of just changing the wheel design, right lol? :doh:

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[FordTechOne]

And you'll pay a LOT more for it too. 1) Upfront with the Price. 2.) Every day with the gas mileage. And 3.) Down the road with maintenance and repairs, including the AWD, ADS and the build-up that Engine will see. It's all relative to price/cost and what a consumer is looking for, and what they prioritize.

Also, there is nothing "tacky" about the Accord Sport, it has very clean and mature styling. And in my eyes looks sleeker and overall better then that fusion.

It's cool that Ford is making that car though. Consumers having options is always a good thing.

Of course it costs more than an Accord/Camry "Sport", you're getting an ACTUAL Sport package, not some cheap cosmetic upgrades and a "Sport" badge. Why is that a surprise? You get what you pay for. And in the case of Accord and Camry, you're paying for a badge.

To even get close to the features that are standard on the Fusion Sport, you would need to compare it to the Accord Touring. Which starts at $35,515. That's more than the Fusion, yet with none of the performance. Honda is still using the same old 3.5L SOHC V6 from 1997, which is just plain embarrassing.

Where are your references for fuel economy? No numbers have been published, therefore you are just speculating. In other words, your statement is baseless.

Maintenance and repairs? Once again, the car isn't even released - you have no data to back that up. It already has a huge advantage over the Accord V6 in that it doesn't need a timing belt and water pump job every 90,000 miles at a cost of $1000 each time.

It's also quite ironic that you should bring up "maintenance and repairs", as the link you provided to Edmunds also linked to other articles on the site, including a long term review of the 2016 Honda Pilot. I suppose this is the Honda "quality and service" that you seem to think is so great?

http://www.edmunds.com/honda/pilot/...half-completed-repairs-and-more-bad-news.html

 

[Kbreese]

Well the numbers I came up with were definitely higher. So I looked again and started looking at content as well and realized these were a close match. Where one has a few more electronics (Nav, Hondasense, sunroof) the other has adaptive suspension, Turbos and AWD.

They are both very close in price.



So I realize you want to argue the price of the Accord Sport with the Fusion Sport because the word "Sport" is in both names but as one has an additional 136hp (an additional 72%HP btw) it would be more akin to comparing say an EB Mustang to a GT350 (Actually only an additional 70% HP) if based on power alone.

Since I can't wrap my micro sized brain around the concept of saying car A is bucket loads of cash cheaper than car B when they are not equipped similarly I'll just leave it where it is. Besides it's time for me to stop internetting anyway.:cheers:

:lol: Wow, just wow. There is a complete void of reading comprehension here. Go back and re-read from the start of the topic (The post where FordTechOne brings up the Fusion Sport), then read it again and again, until you finally get it. Here I'll even try again explaining it to you:

FordTechOne is the one who started out trying to make the point how the Ford "Sport" model offers so much more then the Honda "Sport" model. Ok, are you with me so far?? Good.

My point, in response to that, was simply to say that of course the Ford "Sport" model offers so much more, because it also costs so much more. Simple as that.

So I am not the one comparing the "Sport" models as I realize they are two completely different cars, and both priced accordingly. In other words, we basically agree. Got it now? ? :headbonk:

Next up, WHY are you comparing the TOURING model Accord with the Fusion Sport. They are two totally different trims. One is a luxury trim and the other is a Sport trim. Look at my price comparison's for accurate comparisons.

 

[Taneras]

STEP 3.) You fools turn back around and say well of course it costs more because you get more.

:lol:

Let the records show that I entered the conversation midway and assumed they were trying to compare like to like (V6 Accord to the incoming Fusion Sport) - a reasonable comparison.

I agree, its silly to compare the Honda Sport to something that costs ~45% more. That's about the price difference between the C7 Z06 and the GT350.

 

[Dirtleg]

:lol: Wow, just wow. There is a complete void of reading comprehension here. Go back and re-read from the start of the topic (The post where FordTechOne brings up the Fusion Sport), then read it again and again, until you finally get it. Here I'll even try again explaining it to you:

FordTechOne is the one who started out trying to make the point how the Ford "Sport" model offers so much more then the Honda "Sport" model. Ok, are you with me so far?? Good.

My point, in response to that, was simply to say that of course the Ford "Sport" model offers so much more, because it also costs so much more. Simple as that.

So I am not the one comparing the "Sport" models as I realize they are two completely different cars, and both priced accordingly. In other words, we basically agree. Got it now? ? :headbonk:

Next up, WHY are you comparing the TOURING model Accord with the Fusion Sport. They are two totally different trims. One is a luxury trim and the other is a Sport trim. Look at my price comparison's for accurate comparisons.

From above.

Since I can't wrap my micro sized brain around the concept of saying car A is bucket loads of cash cheaper than car B when they are not equipped similarly I'll just leave it where it is.

 

[1320']

Man I thought the debates/arguing in the GT350 section were brutal...

There's blood all over the walls in this thread!

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I think they're just trying to point out a trend.

"Sport" for Honda is what you just listed. For Ford, its a lot more. Yes, I understand you'll pay more with Ford, but is there an option to pay more with Honda and get a bad ass car/package/model? Not really. They don't offer that. That's not part of their "brand". Their brand is fuel economy, safety, and reliability. While those are all good things, those are also all boring things.

Now drop the mic and walk away. There is only one person in this thread that will never understand and will continue to post pics of his girls Honda.

 

[Kbreese]

I think they're just trying to point out a trend.

"Sport" for Honda is what you just listed. For Ford, its a lot more. Yes, I understand you'll pay more with Ford, but is there an option to pay more with Honda and get a bad ass car/package/model? Not really. They don't offer that. That's not part of their "brand". Their brand is fuel economy, safety, and reliability. While those are all good things, those are also all boring things.

There is no hard and fast rule of what "Sport" needs to be. It's a pretty generic term. Who cares if Honda is on the milder end of the scale. Their price clearly reflects that. Again, the bottom line is what you are looking for, and if it's a good value or not, REGARDLESS OF BRAND. That's all that matters. Both cars are good buys.

The problem is they said with the Honda you just got a badge, and painted it like it was a bad value. That was clearly untrue

Putting one or the other down simply because the brand doesn't offer what they personally prefer is plain and simply ignorant and narrow-minded.

It's like me saying Adelle sucks because she doesn't sing heavy metal. lol.

Honda just seems to be boring for a lot of people. Not that its bad, they're selling a lot of cars and making a lot of money. But if your initial thought is "Man I want to go out and buy a car that's really exciting to drive and that'll look sporty and turn a lot of heads" you don't make your local Honda dealership your first stop. That's for a "My kid just turned 16 and I want to get them a new car that's extra safe, will have low insurance notes, get good mpg, and be reliable".

Nothing wrong with the latter, its just not exciting.

...Or mature and practical adults who have no interest in besting other people out on the street.;)

 

[mustang_guy]

There is no hard and fast rule of what "Sport" needs to be. It's a pretty generic term. Who cares if Honda is on the milder end of the scale. Their price clearly reflects that. Again, the bottom line is what you are looking for, and if it's a good value or not, REGARDLESS OF BRAND. That's all that matters. Both cars are good buys.

The problem is they said with the Honda you just got a badge, and painted it like it was a bad value. That was clearly untrue

Putting one or the other down simply because the brand doesn't offer what they personally prefer is plain and simply ignorant and narrow-minded.

It's like me saying Adelle sucks because she doesn't sing heavy metal. lol.




...Or mature and practical adults who have no interest in besting other people out on the street.;)

Good value is subjective. Others so far dont agree that hondas sport package is a good value.

 

[Taneras]

It's like me saying Adelle sucks because she doesn't sing heavy metal. lol.

Nah, more like someone saying that while Adele makes good music it's not exciting and upbeat enough to be used for a Rocky movie.

.Or mature and practical adults who have no interest in besting other people out on the street.;)

No, mature and practical adults still have hobbies and are probably intelligent enough to understand that what started this conversation was a video about two cars racing, legally, on a dragstrip and not on the street.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Good value is subjective. Others so far dont agree that hondas sport package is a good value.

Hyundai Accent has a sport package. Suzuki swift has a sport package. Throwing a set of bigger wheels and a stiffer set of struts on a crap car doesn't make it a good value or sporty. People shouldn't come to a performance car forum and argue the values of practicality. Its like tits on Bruce Jenner. It doesn't make any sense to anyone.

 

[Kbreese]

Good value is subjective. Others so far dont agree that hondas sport package is a good value.

But that's biased/hater/fanboi ignorance. It's not even arguable. It's basic math. The wheels and tires alone cost that much. The problem is, once again, ignorance. People like FordTech didn't even really know what the package included, and claim it's "just a badge"

 

[Taneras]

But that's biased/hater/fanboi ignorance. It's not even arguable. It's basic math. The wheels and tires alone cost that much.

No, Honda isn't selling you a 2nd set of tires and wheels, they're replacing what the car already came with. That's not the same ad buying an additional set of tires and wheels.

 

[Kbreese]

Nah, more like someone saying that while Adele makes good music it's not exciting and upbeat enough to be used for a Rocky movie.

There's a big difference here. You are saying Adelle makes GOOD music. That's not what the trolls are doing here. They aren't saying The Accord is a good car and good value, but I prefer a higher performance vehicle. They are putting it down and giving false information and making terrible comparisons. That's the whole problem.

No, mature and practical adults still have hobbies and are probably intelligent enough to understand that what started this conversation was a video about two cars racing, legally, on a dragstrip and not on the street.

But not every adult wants or needs to be a race car driver. In fact, most don't. You made it sound like Honda's were only for 16 year old kids.

 

[mustang_guy]

But that's biased/hater/fanboi ignorance. It's not even arguable. It's basic math. The wheels and tires alone cost that much.

Just because what you think is a good value and they dont doesnt make them any of those things. Value is and always will be subjective. In my opinion i dont find honda to be a good value, they dont check off the things i find important. I chose, ford, subaru and toyota and a few other brands over honda. I dont even consider hondas anymore. Havent for years. They stopped being a brand i like and find value in.

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