Honda beats a 5.0?

[Hack]

Nice high school level cliche. And, yeah, that's why it's one of the most highly acclaimed, well-reviewed cars for the past xx years. Because no one wants to drive one.

And how is your taste so different then mine when we both like American muscle & sports cars? For the record, I've owned cars that would beat your GT350 in any kind of a race, but I am open minded enough to appreciate other well-executed, albeit less high-performance vehicles for what they are.

The Accord is an absolute worry-free pleasure to drive when when you aren't in Billy Bad-Ass mode...it's comfy, smooth, well-built, has great standard features, is very roomy, has great visibility, handles well, is great in the snow, gets great MPG, etc etc...all for a very reasonable price.

There's a trade-off with everything. The Accord excels at finding that balance in between.

Unfortunately, you are far too narrow-minded to understand any of this.

No need for insults!

I get it. You like Honda. :cheers:

I think you are missing what I'm saying. I buy a car to have fun in it. I don't care if your car can beat mine in a race. I don't care if your car has higher quality. I don't care if your car costs less. I don't care if your car gets better MPG. I don't care if 900 million people like your girlfriend's Honda more than they like my Ford - or if they like the Ford but won't buy it because of one of the "sensible" factors listed above says that adults should buy a car that I think is boring.

People here in Minnesota think I'm a little crazy because I have driven my past Mustang GTs through the winter every single day. I do it because life is short - way too short to drive a boring car.

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[Kbreese]

No need for insults!


People here in Minnesota think I'm a little crazy because I have driven my past Mustang GTs through the winter every single day.

Same here man, I grew up in Buffalo and drove my 94 Mustang GT all through the winters for many years. Used to just put sand bags in the trunk. And my 2012 GT has been through every winter here on Long island since I bought it. My commute to work is 45 mins to an hour each way and we've had some bad winters lately too. (For the record though I just acquired a 2008 F150 XLT Screw 4x4 so the stang can finally retire from winter duty)

But, you see we're not so different you and I....

It's just you are wayyy more narrow minded :lol:

:cheers:

 

[GT Pony]

"Problems per 100 Vehicles" ... this seems to be a somewhat nebulous metric, but I guess they came up with this to "boil it down" in a somewhat comparative way. How or where they get the date for this comparison is probably just as nebulous, and how fairly weighted is it ... ie, did they get the same number of samples for each auto make?

Industry Average of 152 problems per 100 vehicles. So on average, each vehicle made has 1.52 problems. So if a bunch don't have any problems, then some of them that do would have much more than 1.52/vehicle to make up for the average. Could play all kinds of games with this metric.

 

[Taneras]

Jd power stats are bullshit. They are not the true testament of a vehicles life. Not even close. Ive worked at 4 dealerships listed on the list as a master tech. That whole list is dumb and out of order in my experience. Bmws are shitboxes and definitely not more reliable then a ford. I don't believe for a second that Jd stats are truthful.

While your experience is relevant, anecdotal evidence is the weakest form of evidence and is easily superseded. I understand your personal experiences causes you to lean a certain direction on this issue, but JD Power's methodology in compiling these results was way more in-depth than polling a single master technician and are therefore much more reliable.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

ONCE AGAIN guys, it's F250's (Super Duty) not the F150's. I wish they meant the F150's as I own one!
The F250's last longer because they are specifically built to last longer...that's where that whole "Super Duty" thing comes into play ;)

Ford built it right?????? The whole super duty implies your going to pull trailers and stumps etc. Things that would normally decrease the life of a vehicle! Right? Dude I think you need to go borrow the keys to your chics Honda. This thread seams to be really stressing you out. I get it your a big time Honda fan. How a bad race video posted by guy that wanted to show how awesome 4 bangers are gets turned into a 200 post mess is beyond me anyway.:headbonk:Notice the OP hasn't came back? He's busy posting how he traded the 4 banger in for a GT.;)

 

[Taneras]

"Problems per 100 Vehicles" ... this seems to be a somewhat nebulous metric, but I guess they came up with this to "boil it down" in a somewhat comparative way. How or where they get the date for this comparison is probably just as nebulous, and how fairly weighted is it ... ie, did they get the same number of samples for each auto make?

You could change it to Problems per 1,000 Vehicles and get the same spread. While the number does appear plucked out of thin air, the ratio between brands will remain the same no matter where you move the decimal.

They got these results from polling consumers who have purchased a 2013 vehicle and have owned it for the past 3 years. So while the study is titled 2016 study, its really a reflection of the reliability of cars built in 2013.

Also, it doesn't matter if they got the same sample sizes per manufacturer. If they got 4,000 surveys from Ford and 5,000 from Dodge in the end you'll get roughly the same results if you switched the numbers around for Ford/Dodge. The only issue is getting enough, for example if you only got 100 Lexus surveys the results could be skewed in either direction.

The only issue I have with this is they seem to rate all issues the same. Blown engine? Your iphone can't connect via bluetooth? Both count the same. Still though, while the problems per 100 would certainly drop if they removed some of the more silly issues to report on vehicle reliability, intuition tells me that you'd see roughly the same spread of manufacturers as you see now.

 

[Taneras]

Ford built it right??????

Irrelevant. The portion of the study you quoted dealt only with heavy duty trucks. Does Honda make a heavy duty truck?

Can I make a list of most reliable motorcycles and then slam Ford for not making the list?

Also, please re-read your own link. Those results were for an F250, not an F150.

 

[Hack]

It's just you are wayyy more narrow minded :lol:

:cheers:

Naw, but I'm not stupid enough to think a Honda compares favorably to a Porsche.

 

[mustang_guy]

While your experience is relevant, anecdotal evidence is the weakest form of evidence and is easily superseded. I understand your personal experiences causes you to lean a certain direction on this issue, but JD Power's methodology in compiling these results was way more in-depth than polling a single master technician and are therefore much more reliable.

Ive worked at toyota, subaru, ford and bmw.. I left ford in 2013 to come to bmw. The cars are so unreliable at bmw that i get over 100 book time hours a week. I couldnt get anywhere near that at ford. There is no way on earth bmw has less problems per vehicles then ford. Zero. Absolutely, 100% untrue. Period. I do not believe that some of those companies made it to their place on that list without throwing money at JD. There is zero chance.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Irrelevant. The portion of the study you quoted dealt only with heavy duty trucks. Does Honda make a heavy duty truck?

Can I make a list of most reliable motorcycles and then slam Ford for not making the list?

Also, please re-read your own link. Those results were for an F250, not an F150.

Its only irrelevant because it doesn't agree with your side of the discussion. It's not my problem Honda doesn't make a full sized truck. Wait what is that soft ridge line thing considered? It's not my problem that the sportiest car Honda currently offer is a 15 second civic. You guys are trying to compare a appliance like boring people mover to a genuine sports car that people beat on and race like this is an apples to orange comparison that makes sense to start with. Let me guess. You also believe a stock Honda Accord outran a GT in the video because it was the faster, higher quality car?

 

[Taneras]

It's not my problem Honda doesn't make a full sized truck.

Actually if that's the benchmark for the comparison you wish to use to strengthen your position, it is. What are you comparing your apple to? Nothing...

Also don't assume too much. I've only purchased 3 vehicles in my life, all of them were new Mustangs. Take a guess at what my next vehicle will be...

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Actually if that's the benchmark for the comparison you wish to use to strengthen your position, it is. What are you comparing your apple to? Nothing...

Also don't assume too much. I've only purchased 3 vehicles in my life, all of them were new Mustangs. Take a guess at what my next vehicle will be...

An Accord?

 

[mustang_guy]

Actually if that's the benchmark for the comparison you wish to use to strengthen your position, it is. What are you comparing your apple to? Nothing...

Also don't assume too much. I've only purchased 3 vehicles in my life, all of them were new Mustangs. Take a guess at what my next vehicle will be...

2016 camaro ss?

 

[Taneras]

Ive worked at toyota, subaru, ford and bmw.. I left ford in 2013 to come to bmw. The cars are so unreliable at bmw that i get over 100 book time hours a week. I couldnt get anywhere near that at ford. There is no way on earth bmw has less problems per vehicles then ford. Zero. Absolutely, 100% untrue. Period. I do not believe that some of those companies made it to their place on that list without throwing money at JD. There is zero chance.

You can sound as confident as you like, it doesn't change the fact that anecdotal evidence is the weakest form of evidence.

Perhaps JD Power's results are rigged, maybe they're being paid by a few companies to give out false results. Or maybe you're a Ford fanboy. Both are entirely possible, so no this isn't 100% settled.

 

[Taneras]

An Accord?

2016 camaro ss?

No a hammer. :doh:

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