GT350 vs Camaro 1LE

[Childs Play]

What's a "350GT"?

Nevermind, found it! It's a Nissan/Infinity.

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[Hack]

You can't really compare a past gen with a new gen.

As far as 1LE vs. 350, time will tell.

 

[Rogue]

Stats...stats...stats...who gives a rat's ass? The part of the equation not factored in by most is DRIVER! There's the real differrence. Faster (track or strip) cars can get their ass kicked by more skilled drivers. Who cares what it says on paper or on your screen? Get the car that YOU want and makes YOU feel happy.
I'd love me a '17 GT350 for numerous reasons only important to me. If they make a quicker Camaro I could care less. GM is still putting lipstick on a pig!

Agreed. It's funny how GM's Chief is now trying to piggyback on the GT350 media attention - good marketing I guess.

BTW I saw my first new Camaro SS in person yesterday...not impressed. Very fussy looking, very effeminate. If you're going to buy GM go with the last year's Z28 or new Stingray - those are badass cars.

 

[Myshelby3425]

Naaaaah

They still paid to much. And got beat by a cheaper gt350R. The 1Le isn't going to beat a gt350.

Hmmm.. I wouldn't be so sure about that. The SS is already in it 1/4 mile range. The 1le is going to give it a good run. Less hp but it's also lighter.


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[Nataphen]

I'm ordering a 2017 1LE as soon as soon as the order banks open. I have a buddy that runs a Chevy dealership, and he made me an awesome offer to see how I like it. I'll be in the black on it in a couple of years, so I'll trade it for a GT350 at that time if I decide not to keep it. The GT350 is cooler to me, but I couldn't pass this deal up.

The LT1 is an impressive motor. It's not as different or interesting as the Voodoo, but it definitely gets the job done. For all the 5.0 guys out there that think they're not that far behind, I'm sorry to say that's just not the case. On back to back dynos, the "455hp" version of the LT1 that's in the Camaro is making 5-10whp more than the 465hp version in the C7. It's realistically making 470+ to the flywheel in the Camaro thanks to some pretty decent OEM Tri-Y headers, which outflow the Vette's OEM headers.

From idle up to 4,000RPM, the LT1 makes as much power as the LS7. The Voodoo is the better motor from a roll, but the LT1 isn't crap either. If Chevy gets the gearing, chassis balance, and weight right, the GT350 is going to have an all-out, bare-knuckle brawl coming. All that said, I still love the GT350, and I'm not even sure I like the 1LE yet. From a purely "gotta-have-it" standpoint, GT350 all day long. As far as numbers versus numbers, I think it's going to be stupidly close.

 

[Trackaholic]

Except that when the Z/28 came out it was meant for a specific crowd (you could have gotten a Vette for that price. Very crowd specific, much like the 350R.) and beat/compete with anything else in its price range at the time. You can't really compare a past gen with a new gen. That's like comparing a 4.6 4th gen with a 5.0 5th gen and then saying "Dang I bet those people feel stupid for buying that." I doubt they do. And yes. That's a bad example. I know. And if they bought the Z28 I'm betting they can afford to sell it and buy the 350GT or 1LE. Just sayin...

I don't know, I think most people felt the Z/28 was overpriced from the very beginning, I know I did. And that car was right up my alley, so to speak.

The big problem for me was that it used many great parts, but priced them much more than they should have been, considering their option prices on the cars they originally came from. From my perspective, the car should have been $65,000 from the start, rather than $75,000. That was basically taking the 1LE ($40,000), adding the LS7 crate motor ($9000 over LS3 crate motor), $9000 for CCB's, plus $7000 miscellaneous stuff (suspension, development, etc). No reason for that car to be $75,000 IMO. If it was $65,000, I might have bought one, but for $75,000 I was more interested in the C7 Vette.

Very happy I waited for the GT350 though. The new 1LE is going to be an awesome car, though, at a great price. If I didn't already have a GT350, I'd definitely consider one.

-T

 

[chuckty101]

Who cares about the Camaro 1LE. With the GT350 you're getting a FPC 8200rpm/100hp per Litre $200K Ferarri type engine, not some Soccer Mom Van/Motorhome generic Chevy engine.

 

[Nataphen]

Who cares about the Camaro 1LE. With the GT350 you're getting a FPC 8200rpm/100hp per Litre $200K Ferarri type engine, not some Soccer Mom Van/Motorhome generic Chevy engine.

That's a nice argument, except for the fact that the 1LE may do nearly as well, just as well, or better on road courses with that boring engine thanks to a superior chassis design. The only area where GM isn't stronger than Ford is in their engine innovation. That's coming from a guy that's always owned Mustangs and never previously considered a Camaro. GM is ahead of Ford in many areas, but Ford just seems to be better at attaining the X-factor with more exciting ideas.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

That's a nice argument, except for the fact that the 1LE may do nearly as well, just as well, or better on road courses with that boring engine thanks to a superior chassis design. The only area where GM isn't stronger than Ford is in their engine innovation. That's coming from a guy that's always owned Mustangs and never previously considered a Camaro. GM is ahead of Ford in many areas, but Ford just seems to be better at attaining the X-factor with more exciting ideas.

Explain to me this superior chassis design that the 6G Camaro 1LE has over the GT350? For a car that is not even out yet......

 

[Nataphen]

Explain to me this superior chassis design that the 6G Camaro 1LE has over the GT350? For a car that is not even out yet......

Note that I said chassis design, not suspension. It's the same chassis as the 2016 Camaro with a different suspension setup. Look at all the hours and pages of technical data out there on both cars. Ask people like Kelly from BMR that have access to both cars. It does pain me to say it, but GM really just built a better platform than the S550. It's lighter and stiffer.

Also note that I didn't say I knew whether or not that the 1LE was better on the road course yet, and that I'd still rather have a Shelby. I find myself in a position that I'll need to wait a couple of years to buy a GT350 no matter what, but through a friend, I can try out a 1LE in the meantime.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Who cares about the Camaro 1LE. With the GT350 you're getting a FPC 8200rpm/100hp per Litre $200K Ferarri type engine, not some Soccer Mom Van/Motorhome generic Chevy engine.

If your GT350 doesn't carry the letter 'R' at the end of it, perhaps you should.

I get it that a crossplane engine that uses a pushrod valvetrain won't ever have a fancy enough image for some folks, but sometimes all it takes to get the job done is an old sledge hammer.


Don't get me wrong here - there's plenty to like about the Voodoo engine (I'd really like to swap in a short-stroke version of it into my '08).

As well as a couple of things that should probably have been done differently if this engine was to be a true "Ferrari type engine" (spoiler alert - it isn't, not quite, and the "not quite" part matters).


Norm

 

[Hack]

Don't get me wrong here - there's plenty to like about the Voodoo engine. As well as a couple of things that should probably have been done differently if this engine was to be a true "Ferrari-like" V8 (spoiler alert - it isn't).

Norm

If you consider maintenance expenses, Ford did it better than Ferrari.

Much as I would have loved to see dual intakes, I can understand why Ford didn't go there. I think it was a good decision - like the choice to use iron rotors.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

If you consider maintenance expenses, Ford did it better than Ferrari.

Much as I would have loved to see dual intakes, I can understand why Ford didn't go there. I think it was a good decision - like the choice to use iron rotors.

Not to mention, this is the largest FPC built for a production car, correct?

4.4L vs 5.2L?

Pretty crazy they built this FPC on a "budget" vs. what Ferrari puts out and has put out.

 

[Voodooo]

If your GT350 doesn't carry the letter 'R' at the end of it, perhaps you should.

I get it that a crossplane engine that uses a pushrod valvetrain won't ever have a fancy enough image for some folks, but sometimes all it takes to get the job done is an old sledge hammer.


Don't get me wrong here - there's plenty to like about the Voodoo engine (I'd really like to swap in a short-stroke version of it into my '08).

As well as a couple of things that should probably have been done differently if this engine was to be a true "Ferrari type engine" (spoiler alert - it isn't, not quite, and the "not quite" part matters).


Norm

The 1le is NOT going to beat the GT350. It may give the base GT350 a good run but it's not going to beat the track pack gt350. The Z28 can hardly beat the track pack gt350 and the z28 is faster then the new 1le.

 

[Norm Peterson]

I wasn't looking past engine design in comparing Voodoo to Ferrari (for a Ferrari, everything is going to be enormously more expensive than its comparable part or procedure at Ford).

The Voodoo's FPC isn't in the usual up-down-down-up crankpin configuration, nor is its 4-3-1 exhaust arrangement typical for any engine.

One of the reasons given for the exhaust routing at least is that Ford was trying to avoid making it sound too much different from traditional crossplane V8 engines, which would risk alienating much of the Mustang's traditional customer base. I suppose you could say that they intentionally kept the engine less distant from anybody's crossplane V8 than was easily possible.


Norm

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