Z06 vs GT350

[LindsayEOD]

Wow... just got back from test driving a Huracan LP580-2 and I see all these rebuttals! Chucky... chill pal. The common denominator here is we all like the GT350 even it ends up as the only thing we have in common. Don't turn this thread into a bash fest. It's good we all have choices, you know...

And if MCarsFan and I ever encounter you on or off the track, don't worry we'll give you a point-by...

Ok, I know this thread is about the Z06 but I would really like to know your thoughts on the Lambo compared to the 350.

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[MAV]

Obviously 350 will handle better but in street driving, its going to feel a lot slower.

My advice: drive one before you make a statement like this.

 

[cosmo]

No problem on my part my friend, I have the 2016 Performance Car of the Year in my Garage.:first:

You got an R? Congrats.

Because if you didn't get an R, it isn't PCOTY.

 

[Bossing]

No problem on my part my friend, I have the 2016 Performance Car of the Year in my Garage.:first:

Be careful chuckster... don't you have a Base?? But I won't stir that pot. :cheers:

Ok, I know this thread is about the Z06 but I would really like to know your thoughts on the Lambo compared to the 350.

The power reminds me of my friend's 458 Italia but the new LP580-2 is a step above in & out IMO plus it's so easy to drive... it can be a daily exotic driver. Very roomy too, I can stretch my legs straight and still have space... and the naturally aspirated FPC V10 is intoxicating. I'm actually comparing this to the McLaren 570S.

It's not like the wail of a Ferrari, not the raspy roar of the GT350, nor the volcanic bass of the Z06... but the ultimate elocution of a midrange howl mixed with whirs and braps. Even in Sport mode it was nuts. Corsa mode is out of this world. It's faster than my Z06 due to the DCT but the Z has more torque. It revs endlessly like the GT350 so since both have a high strung FPC, you can rev it to eta carinae! I think that sums it up...

 

[Donkey]

You got an R? Congrats.

Because if you didn't get an R, it isn't PCOTY.

:eyeroll:

 

[TDC]

......you can rev it to eta carinae!

I'm in the science field and fancy myself as an amateur astronomer but I had no idea what that was and had to look it up. Most obscure reference to revving out an engine I had ever heard. Bravo Bossing, bravo :cheers:

Or maybe everyone knows what it means and I've been living under a rock.

 

[cosmo]

:eyeroll:

Am I wrong? No. The collective GT350 didn't win PCOTY, only the R-spec did. It's been pointed out in reviews that there is an obvious difference in the cars, and although the base/track/tech 350 is great, the R is that much better.

 

[Bossing]

I'm in the science field and fancy myself as an amateur astronomer but I had no idea what that was and had to look it up. Most obscure reference to revving out an engine I had ever heard. Bravo Bossing, bravo :cheers:

Or maybe everyone knows what it means and I've been living under a rock.

Well since we're on the topic of superstar cars that revs above & beyond... then what better way than to mention reference to the Eta Carinae star system which contains one of the biggest and brightest stars in our galaxy!

 

[chuckty101]

Sorry Corvette fan boys, All that matters is, the Z06 was not good enough to win PCOTY.the rest is just cry baby history.:ford::first:

 

[Donkey]

You got an R? Congrats.

Because if you didn't get an R, it isn't PCOTY.

You're very much splitting hairs. If a z07 package z06 won a comparison and someone had a z06 would you call them out? Personally anyone with a gt350 could likely sort the car out to outperform the r model. I would hate to break down the actual parts content between the two, but they (especially the track package) share most critical performance items with the R aside from imo the biggest difference. Tires.

 

[MCarsFan]

The difference between R and base 350 is far far far greater than base z06 and z07 package.

- R traps 3 mph more, to give an analogy, that is like the difference between a stickshift porsche or a bmw vs a dual clutch one or in the case of my M5, I could pick up 3 mph by installing a piggy back tune that yields 80hp or so. It is very significant.

- R is 160 lbs lighter and has CF wheels which reduce rotating mass. Z07 corvette is pretty much the same car with better aero and stiffer suspension. There is no weight difference besides whatever you save on CCBs which I can tell you is not 160 lbs.

- People driving R and base back to back said the R is a totally different car. There is even a review I read (one of the euro magazines I think) that made a remark such as "we were expecting an amazing car but base car underwhelmed us. It wasnt worth all the hype. The R though was almost a totally different car."

- To be perfectly fair Z06 lost that comparison because it got a DNF due to a car that was broken severely. This was GM's fault and the cheif person took the responsibility. Basically car was a press car that was just in another major event a few days ago and had an issue with the coolant line or boost pressure. All in all, it ran without a supercharger during the test. The same car was #1 ik VIR, lapping faster than any other car out there including porsche spyder 918. Everyone knows if the magazine got a normal Z06, it would have either won or be in top 2-3.

The more I read about these cars the more I realize in normal market conditions a mustang and a corvette are not in the same class. Not from a price perspective or performance or even luxury. A corvette is a super car that beats super cars that are worth 5-6 times more. A mustang is a performance track car that is a performance bargain and is a fun car but cannot beat say a GT3. The only reason they are in the same thread is because essentially mustang is selling 15% above msrp and z06 is selling 10% below and their price is 7-8k apart.

Lastly, I drove the Z06 and I have owned my M5 for 2 years. And it was my observation that in city driving that z06 wasnt drastically faster than my M5. That is from stop light to stop light, turn to turn, at a 35-45mph speed limit road. The kick back to your seat and how much it pulls, yes it is obviously more powerful but the difference wasn't like say my E90 M3 which trapped 109mph vs the M5 which traps 122. When I went from that old M3 to this M5, I was like holy shit. It was like getting out of a cessna 172 into a space shuttle. Now THATS why I said mustang is not going to feel fast, because I know how Z06 felt like.

I understand in a race track cars like M5 etc wont even stand a chance, but my statement was very specific to street driving.

 

[Donkey]

You're missing the point. I understand people's desire for an R model. I actually was offered the chance just last week to wait for a 2017. Unfortunately, my needs, nor my budget call for an R model.

Your claim of 160lb's doesn't match reality between an R with a/c and electronics (which most that have been built have) and a gt350 with track package, those numbers (since you love magazines) are 3796/3710 (gt350/350r). So that monstrous 160lbs in reality is really 86. So where would a standard gt350 owner that cant afford a GT350R that's 66k with some enormous ADM start with his regular old GT350 to make it as good if not better? Well, he could start with a set of forgeline wheels which are very close to the same weight as the R wheels, I do believe they weight 20lbs each, that will knock 40lbs off the car immediately bringing that difference to 46lbs given you upgraded wheel and tire size and used the same super cups as the R. Which that upgrade or one that step's it up even more would be a huge upgrade in and of itself, I'm not sure how much magazine digging will tell you how much tire's can transform any vehicle that doesn't come with an R compound tire.. but it's generally pretty immense and doesn't take a track ace to feel it.

Next, pull out the back seat. I have no idea it's weight but even if it's 15lb's you're now 31lbs difference, not many a driver in here would notice that difference without moving to other enhancements like exhaust and aero. It wont be hard do find an R replica or perhaps a better look and better functioning piece if you're that worried about track performance.

At this point, taking the car to a shop and having a track or R spec alignment would be the logical step. If you're a diehard track guy and the magnetic shocks aren't getting the job done I am 100% certain there are racing shock companies like JRZ that would be more than happy to build you something that will improve the handling that much more and help satisfy your needs, possibly even shave some more weight.

Next if those last 31lb's are getting you down, you could start researching exhaust options, lighter race cats, or none, lighter exhaust, if people like akrapovic get on board and do a titanium system you would likely end up lighter than an R.

I would estimate this could all be had for about the same price as most paid for their r's the wheels and tires alignment and possibly a few suspension parts would all bring you in well under the option price of an R, would it be as exclusive? No, but it would certainly be uniquely yours. Very fast, and very reliable. Plus if you happen to spin your pride and joy and damage a pair of wheels you wont have to spend nearly the money you would if you damaged an R wheel.. the price for that exclusivity is over 4k per rear wheel and 3500 for a front.

As far as the z06 is concerned it was an analogy, one that any normal person who hasn't spent the hours on end researching ever specific (Even if incorrect) would understand, most wouldn't recognize the difference in z06 variants, just like I've gotten 4 phone calls in the last 3 months with people saying they saw a gt350r, when in reality it was just a standard gt350 with track package. :clap2:

The difference between R and base 350 is far far far greater than base z06 and z07 package.

- R traps 3 mph more, to give an analogy, that is like the difference between a stickshift porsche or a bmw vs a dual clutch one or in the case of my M5, I could pick up 3 mph by installing a piggy back tune that yields 80hp or so. It is very significant.

- R is 160 lbs lighter and has CF wheels which reduce rotating mass. Z07 corvette is pretty much the same car with better aero and stiffer suspension. There is no weight difference besides whatever you save on CCBs which I can tell you is not 160 lbs.

- People driving R and base back to back said the R is a totally different car. There is even a review I read (one of the euro magazines I think) that made a remark such as "we were expecting an amazing car but base car underwhelmed us. It wasnt worth all the hype. The R though was almost a totally different car."

- To be perfectly fair Z06 lost that comparison because it got a DNF due to a car that was broken severely. This was GM's fault and the cheif person took the responsibility. Basically car was a press car that was just in another major event a few days ago and had an issue with the coolant line or boost pressure. All in all, it ran without a supercharger during the test. The same car was #1 ik VIR, lapping faster than any other car out there including porsche spyder 918. Everyone knows if the magazine got a normal Z06, it would have either won or be in top 2-3.

The more I read about these cars the more I realize in normal market conditions a mustang and a corvette are not in the same class. Not from a price perspective or performance or even luxury. A corvette is a super car that beats super cars that are worth 5-6 times more. A mustang is a performance track car that is a performance bargain and is a fun car but cannot beat say a GT3. The only reason they are in the same thread is because essentially mustang is selling 15% above msrp and z06 is selling 10% below and their price is 7-8k apart.

Lastly, I drove the Z06 and I have owned my M5 for 2 years. And it was my observation that in city driving that z06 wasnt drastically faster than my M5. That is from stop light to stop light, turn to turn, at a 35-45mph speed limit road. The kick back to your seat and how much it pulls, yes it is obviously more powerful but the difference wasn't like say my E90 M3 which trapped 109mph vs the M5 which traps 122. When I went from that old M3 to this M5, I was like holy shit. It was like getting out of a cessna 172 into a space shuttle. Now THATS why I said mustang is not going to feel fast, because I know how Z06 felt like.

I understand in a race track cars like M5 etc wont even stand a chance, but my statement was very specific to street driving.

 

[1mic]

MCarsFan is right, the vette and the mustang are two different types of cars, they are also on different levels. Sad to read all this fanboi BS when people think an R model is comparable to a base c7z, and bring up stupid shit like sharing engines or being a one off. Mr one off must have forgot a c7z will annihilate a gt350R. A car with what 650hp also weighing in less too.

Then there's another thread where some people think a gt350 of any variant is a drivers race with a hellcat! I post on different forums, svtp, camaro5, voa, corvette forum, and there seems to be these types of delusional people in every forum. Kinda disappointed there are people like this in a mustang forum tbh.

Not sure if these delusional people even go to the track or take their cars that they hold up on a pedestal to race. Once you do catch them on the street or easily pass them on the track they don't even look over and wave good race. I think these people are the ones that talk about magazine merits at car shows. If they lost in a race they will think, at least my car has a one off engine, at least my car sounds better, at least I paid less. Lol, in the end you lost bud!
In the end we are here because we have interests in a bad ass car, no need to call other cars shitty. Without competition we'd be stuck in the 3v days, or even worse the sn95 days when lt1 and ls1 cars were dominant.

 

[cosmo]

You're very much splitting hairs. If a z07 package z06 won a comparison and someone had a z06 would you call them out? Personally anyone with a gt350 could likely sort the car out to outperform the r model. I would hate to break down the actual parts content between the two, but they (especially the track package) share most critical performance items with the R aside from imo the biggest difference. Tires.

The magnetic ride tuning is more intense on the R, along with revised suspension components. All the other bits already mentioned add up. Sure, you can make a 350 perform just as well probably. But you could also make an ecoboost perform just as well, or an S-197 with an intense suspension make over. That's not the point though. In terms of the standard stock cars, unless you have a gt350R, you do NOT have the PCOTY. It doesn't mean your car is bad, but it's just facts. Trying to say otherwise just looks bad on yourself.

 

[Shift]

MCarsFan is right, the vette and the mustang are two different types of cars, they are also on different levels. Sad to read all this fanboi BS when people think an R model is comparable to a base c7z, and bring up stupid shit like sharing engines or being a one off. Mr one off must have forgot a c7z will annihilate a gt350R. A car with what 650hp also weighing in less too.

Then there's another thread where some people think a gt350 of any variant is a drivers race with a hellcat! I post on different forums, svtp, camaro5, voa, corvette forum, and there seems to be these types of delusional people in every forum. Kinda disappointed there are people like this in a mustang forum tbh.

Not sure if these delusional people even go to the track or take their cars that they hold up on a pedestal to race. Once you do catch them on the street or easily pass them on the track they don't even look over and wave good race. I think these people are the ones that talk about magazine merits at car shows. If they lost in a race they will think, at least my car has a one off engine, at least my car sounds better, at least I paid less. Lol, in the end you lost bud!
In the end we are here because we have interests in a bad ass car, no need to call other cars shitty. Without competition we'd be stuck in the 3v days, or even worse the sn95 days when lt1 and ls1 cars were dominant.

I think people have a hard time realizing their preferred car is slower. I think the lighter Camaro 1LE and possible Z28 might be faster than the GT350. But if pure speed was what I cared about, I wouldn't be buying the GT350. You buy the car for the experience it gives you when you drive. And this car gives you an experience like none other for its price.

If speed is your #1 priority, this isn't the car for you.

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