Z06 vs GT350

[nastang87xx]

And a cobra mustang used to be 3300 lbs Also. But we aren't talking history here.

Let's talk cars in production eh?

New regs, expectations of a new car, etc.

A common expectation of vehicles in current production is to lose some damn weight.

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[ForTehNguyen]

kind of hard to when feds keep mandating all this safety stuff. One reason the viper is going to be canned is soon feds are requiring side curtain airbags. The viper cannot fit them in its current design

 

[Donkey]

MCarsFan is right, the vette and the mustang are two different types of cars, they are also on different levels. Sad to read all this fanboi BS when people think an R model is comparable to a base c7z, and bring up stupid shit like sharing engines or being a one off. Mr one off must have forgot a c7z will annihilate a gt350R. A car with what 650hp also weighing in less too.

Then there's another thread where some people think a gt350 of any variant is a drivers race with a hellcat! I post on different forums, svtp, camaro5, voa, corvette forum, and there seems to be these types of delusional people in every forum. Kinda disappointed there are people like this in a mustang forum tbh.

Not sure if these delusional people even go to the track or take their cars that they hold up on a pedestal to race. Once you do catch them on the street or easily pass them on the track they don't even look over and wave good race. I think these people are the ones that talk about magazine merits at car shows. If they lost in a race they will think, at least my car has a one off engine, at least my car sounds better, at least I paid less. Lol, in the end you lost bud!
In the end we are here because we have interests in a bad ass car, no need to call other cars shitty. Without competition we'd be stuck in the 3v days, or even worse the sn95 days when lt1 and ls1 cars were dominant.

Surely you aren't referencing me when you speak of Mr. One off. I was simply pointing out that without much effort the gt350 track pack cars could be outfitted to perform equal to or better than an r for the same or less money. I have no desire to own a z06. I think they are great cars but no desire to own one. If I didn't buy the gt350 I'd have likely bought either a used porsche or m4. When GM announced the z28 I wished that Ford would produce a mustang variant that would compete with it head to head, I swore if they did I would buy one. They did, so I bought one. I could care less about measuring manhood, I also could care less about outright speed as most of my time will be spent on public roads, my job requires a good driving record and I don't plan on changing that.

 

[1mic]

A common expectation of vehicles in current production is to lose some damn weight.

kind of hard to when feds keep mandating all this safety stuff. One reason the viper is going to be canned is soon feds are requiring side curtain airbags. The viper cannot fit them in its current design

Funny you mention the viper, there is an owner at VOA that has a gen II and a gen V, had both on the scales and the V was lighter. I'll have to dig up the posts with pictures. Imagine if the CURRENT vette or the mustang weighed less than its previous generation, TWO generations ago. C5 weights and SN95 weights. :eyebulge:

 

[cosmo]

Funny you mention the viper, there is an owner at VOA that has a gen II and a gen V, had both on the scales and the V was lighter. I'll have to dig up the posts with pictures. Imagine if the CURRENT vette or the mustang weighed less than its previous generation, TWO generations ago. C5 weights and SN95 weights. :eyebulge:

Miata did it as well, lost a bunch of weight. Is now comparable to an NA from the late 80s. That's incredibly impressive.

 

[autobahnGT350]

I think people have a hard time realizing their preferred car is slower. I think the lighter Camaro 1LE and possible Z28 might be faster than the GT350. But if pure speed was what I cared about, I wouldn't be buying the GT350. You buy the car for the experience it gives you when you drive. And this car gives you an experience like none other for its price.

If speed is your #1 priority, this isn't the car for you.

Shift...right on. I believe you stated as elegantly as possible. There are a mix of people with experiences in other price ranges and different car classes which exceed normal mustang or GT350 levels, and who actually own some of those types of cars.

I think that is why we have differing point of views; the various levels of performance cars that can be had and compared to with others makes the listed performance parameters difficult to interpret sometimes.

At the end of the day "I choose" to get a GT350 knowing that that decision will not get me the equal performance in certain parameters with other cars I had on my list; Porsche 911, Corvette C7, Jaguar F-Type R, and some others. However, I am getting an American Made uber sports car (sedan according to Road and Track, hehe), with a nostalgic namesake that has compelled me to overlook any of the performance deficits compared to the other cars on my list...and just enjoy the car for what it is. Boom!

I hope people just get out and enjoy your cars, and life..life is way to short to worry about such non inconsequential and trivial matters to get all fussy over.

Enjoy live, live long and prosper, funny, I ca;t remember where I hear that one before.;)

 

[ohtobbad]

Chevy does nothing for me, but the one car that impresses me is the Vette.
Looks great, performs amazing for the buck and has for some time.
That said a different car than a Mustang, even the Shelby.

Really if your a car guy, great time to be alive.
I suspect its going to get even more interesting next few years

 

[Praehotec]

Honest question: how much real world performance difference is there for most drivers?

Looking at quick specs online the z06 does 0-60 in about 3.3 sec, and the 350R in 3.9. The 1/4 mile times are off by similar amounts. Obviously the z06 being lighter and having more HP will be faster, but how many drivers are good enough to realize that difference? We're talking tenth of seconds here.

It seems obvious that in final terms, the 80k corvette trumps the 40-60k mustang, but I bet most drivers aren't good enough to make that difference matter in practice. Seems like everyone should just drive what makes them happy.

As for me, I wouldn't want a corvette, I'm a mustang guy (and if I wasn't I'd get a gtr). Sure, I wish the 350 was objectively better, but the differences are so miniscule that I doubt they would ever make a practical difference for me?

 

[Caballus]

Shift...right on. I believe you stated as elegantly as possible. There are a mix of people with experiences in other price ranges and different car classes which exceed normal mustang or GT350 levels, and who actually own some of those types of cars.

I think that is why we have differing point of views; the various levels of performance cars that can be had and compared to with others makes the listed performance parameters difficult to interpret sometimes.

At the end of the day "I choose" to get a GT350 knowing that that decision will not get me the equal performance in certain parameters with other cars I had on my list; Porsche 911, Corvette C7, Jaguar F-Type R, and some others. However, I am getting an American Made uber sports car (sedan according to Road and Track, hehe), with a nostalgic namesake that has compelled me to overlook any of the performance deficits compared to the other cars on my list...and just enjoy the car for what it is. Boom!

I hope people just get out and enjoy your cars, and life..life is way to short to worry about such non inconsequential and trivial matters to get all fussy over.

Enjoy live, live long and prosper, funny, I ca;t remember where I hear that one before.;)

That is very well put! An "American Made uber sports car (sedan according to Road and Track, hehe), with a nostalgic namesake," is special in its own right. According to Ford themselves, they are looking to take that a step forward with the Shelby by maintaining the traditional muscle car character while adding European smoothness, first by stepping away from the solid rear axle and then by going to the MagneRide, not to mention the Ferrari-like flat plane crank.

With that also comes a higher expectation. European cars are not magic, as we can tell from the VW emissions scandal, but there is a certain level of baseline quality and performance expected. Ford appears to be striving to enter that league (along with other US makers that failed or almost failed in '08). It appears they didn't quite get there with the Shelby in 15/16, but will be closer in '17. I believe that ultimately to truly bring FP cars to the level of Porsche, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Aston Martin...a shift in business culture will be required to go along with the performance shift. Not talking statistical performance or "hanging turn for turn"; talking class that begets reputation. The challenge is doing that and still maintaining the grit that makes Americans American. Back to the main point, Corvette has always seemed better at straddling that line.

 

[ohtobbad]

Hey did you see which way that Shelby went ?

 

[Goofball]

Hey did you see which way that Shelby went ?

Haha!!!

 

[nastang87xx]

Honest question: how much real world performance difference is there for most drivers?

Looking at quick specs online the z06 does 0-60 in about 3.3 sec, and the 350R in 3.9. The 1/4 mile times are off by similar amounts. Obviously the z06 being lighter and having more HP will be faster, but how many drivers are good enough to realize that difference? We're talking tenth of seconds here.

It seems obvious that in final terms, the 80k corvette trumps the 40-60k mustang, but I bet most drivers aren't good enough to make that difference matter in practice. Seems like everyone should just drive what makes them happy.

As for me, I wouldn't want a corvette, I'm a mustang guy (and if I wasn't I'd get a gtr). Sure, I wish the 350 was objectively better, but the differences are so miniscule that I doubt they would ever make a practical difference for me?

Depends on the chassis. There are some very heavy cars out there that actually feel light because of the superb shock control, where the weight is (center of gravity, much of the weight being closer tucked in the car vs on the outsides), etc. The Corvette actually FEELS lighter than it is. But it also feels like piloting a battleship too. It just feels huge. Sometimes bigger than it actually is (aaaaaaaaand that's what she said). But that's because it's hard to see out of at times. On a road course this isn't too much of a problem. On autocross, it can get dicey when finding lines that aren't defined for you.

 

[Spacebird]

kind of hard to when feds keep mandating all this safety stuff.

Progress has its price. In this case, the price is infinitesimal.

 

[Rogue]

All this chatter about the Z07 being faster than a GT350 Track Pack/R on the track??? LMAO

Is that before or after the Z07 has to go home early to cure his limp mode? :lol:

 

[RedRiot]

All this chatter about the Z07 being faster than a GT350 Track Pack/R on the track??? LMAO

Is that before or after the Z07 has to go home early to cure his limp mode? :lol:

that's funny because this forum is littered with gt350 owners complaining of their car going into limp mode. :lol: People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. ;)


both cars are amazing, but the z06 is in different league.

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