Whoooboy....

[Oakley]

So you're saying it's ok to street race and drive insanely quick, and as long as no one get's hurt, a little slap on the wrist is ok.
That's like saying it's ok to carelessly shoot a firearm in public, as long as no one get hurt that's fine.

...the key ingredient you conveniently left out is "and if you kill someone you die".

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[Trap]

...the key ingredient you conveniently left out is "and if you kill someone you die".

No I think you miss the point the key ingredient is prevention is better than the cure

 

[Oakley]

No I think you miss the point the key ingredient is prevention is better than the cure

don't worry little buddy if you try real hard you might break into triple digit iq territory some day.

 

[MyStang]

Lets just say…
They have been glorifying street racing for the last 5 years with shows like Street Outlaws. Street racing has been going on forever. How many times have we all seen people line up on both sides of street to watch a drag race go horribly wrong. You can be the best driver / mechanic if you don’t have a wrench to fit the NUT behind the wheel your pretty much Screwed.
No laws will stop people from racing on the streets
We all do it from time to time we’re just pressing our luck thinking we can get a way with it.

 

[Trap]

don't worry little buddy if you try real hard you might break into triple digit iq territory some day.

Now you are just proving how ignorant and self centred you really are.

 

[Oakley]

Now you are just proving how ignorant and self centred you really are.

doesn't mean a lot coming from someone who can't follow the argument.

 

[Paul McWhiskey]

"Where there is no law, there is no liberty." - Benjamin Rush

 

[Trap]

doesn't mean a lot coming from someone who can't follow the argument.

You sure are good for a chuckle with your supposed intellectual answers

 

[Oakley]

You sure are good for a chuckle with your supposed intellectual answers

When a fool laughs, it is like thorns crackling in a fire. It doesn't mean a thing.

 

[Trap]

When a fool laughs, it is like thorns crackling in a fire. It doesn't mean a thing.

Guess you best jump in the fire where you belong.

 

[Oakley]

Guess you best jump in the fire where you belong.

sick burn.

 

[wingnutt]

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Can‘t fix stupid, and certainly no sense arguing with it.

Edit: I had a good friend years ago, he just got a brand new FZR1000. We were hanging out one night and another buddy asked if he could take it for a spin. Don let him. Few minutes passed and we heard sirens. Somebody jokingly implied Dennis got pulled over. The sirens became more prevalent as did emergency equipment. He was going south bound on a divided four lane in town(45mph). Two girls were attempting to make a left and go north bound out of the community college campus. He hit the drivers door at over 130mph. Hit the car(two door compact) so hard and with such velocity it flipped the car completely in a barrel roll fashion. Goes without saying it killed both girls in the car, to say there was carnage is an understatement. He actually hit the roof line on impact in an upright position at basically his waist line. It was really bad. Wish that was the only friend that isn‘t around any more, but unfortunately that list isn‘t short. I don’t do stupid shxt on the street, there’s a reason tracks exist.

 

[Hack]

Interesting discussion and a lot to think about in this thread.

Show me where that happens in traffic situations! It doesn't. Kill a motorcycle rider and you barely get a ticket, not a second degree murder charge.

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Ok how about 18th century lashing. 1 stroke per mph over the limit. His body will heal just fine. But I'll bet he won't want to experience that again.

I'm pretty sure there's a thing called manslaughter and you can get up to 15 years + a $30,000 fine here in MN if you hit and kill someone.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.20

I remember in the book "Starship Troopers" Heinlein talks about a society with that sort of capital punishment. When I first read it in grade school I liked the idea. I still do.

Wait, are you sure about that? You’re saying that anything over 85 is actually a felony in VA, period, no accident notwithstanding?

I know they’re tightening up everywhere but that sounds way too draconian. That would put speeding up there with armed robbery! One of us must be missing something.

I remember hearing that 20+ mph over the speed limit was a felony here in MN and that they could take your car away. I just looked it up and it's a petty misdemeanor. Even reckless driving can be a misdemeanor. It probably depends on circumstances. I think MN is probably tougher than a lot of places.

I'd be willing to bet any amount of money that professional drivers would rarely drive this way on public roads. They, more than anyone, know the risks involved and understand that their extreme driving is in tightly controlled conditions that are literally engineered for high speeds. And even then, it's incredibly dangerous, even when they're driving among other professional and highly skilled drivers.

I submit to you the ultimate pro racing driver, Lewis Hamilton.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...azil-day-later-F1-world-champion-claimed.html

I'm guilty of doing over the limit and triggering a reckless had the police been present. . Doesn't make it right. And I'd have no cause to bitch should I have reaped what I was sowing. Doesn't matter if the road was a 8 lane divided interstate with cars miles ahead and miles behind me.

Guilty is guilty.

I've been fortunate. I've only hurt myself. I don't know if I could live with myself if I hurt or killed someone else. But why shouldn't the society by way of the law impose penalty for dangerous conduct? And dissuade such conduct? No amount of monetary or physical recompense will bring back a life lost to egregious display of selfishness.

Good post. I'm with you on this, bro.

The posted speed limit is 45. He was doing almost triple that, which is AGAINST THE LAW thus a crime was actually committed. He was caught and now suffers the consequences. Want us to draw you a picture???? Whether you agree with the punishment or not does not matter, it is the punishment set by the state. As mentioned by another previously, it is set as a harsh punishment as a deterrent to prevent serious injury or death. They are public roads and all who use them have the right to be as safe as possible when using them no matter the time of day and no matter how many or how few are on said road at any given time. I know there’s big words in there but it’s not a difficult concept.

So you don't find it interesting to discuss whether the punishment is appropriate. Gotcha. I think it's an interesting topic.

I don't agree that everyone who uses public roads has the right to be safe as possible. I think you drive at your own risk. Yesterday I was driving and I saw a hole in the side of the road. I probably missed it by a foot or so. It was deep and big enough that I'm positive I would have crashed and totalled my car if I had hit that hole. Big potholes were one thing that really freaked me out when I used to ride motorcycle. I often felt like I was foolish to ride, no matter how careful I was. So I stopped.

Do you think I have any recourse if I'm hurt due to poor maintenance of the roads or dangerous conditions caused by the road design?

 

[wynand32]

I submit to you the ultimate pro racing driver, Lewis Hamilton.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...azil-day-later-F1-world-champion-claimed.html

I don't agree that everyone who uses public roads has the right to be safe as possible. I think you drive at your own risk. Yesterday I was driving and I saw a hole in the side of the road. I probably missed it by a foot or so. It was deep and big enough that I'm positive I would have crashed and totalled my car if I had hit that hole. Big potholes were one thing that really freaked me out when I used to ride motorcycle. I often felt like I was foolish to ride, no matter how careful I was. So I stopped.

Do you think I have any recourse if I'm hurt due to poor maintenance of the roads or dangerous conditions caused by the road design?

Regarding the pro driver, of course, there are exceptions. There are always exceptions.

I do believe that people who use public roads have a reasonable expectation of safety. Note the word "reasonable" here, and I don't see the need to debate the meaning of "safe as possible." There are many things that are "possible" but not reasonable due to costs and other constraints. You could likely make a car that's 100% safe in any crash, but it would cost millions of dollars and likely couldn't be mass-produced. Oops, I just debated the meaning of "safe as possible," which I said we don't need to do.

Anyway... Of course, in many places, road maintenance is a public travesty. But then again, things happen and maintenance can't always be conducted immediately. So, a pothole that remains unfixed for months is different than one that just developed. But now we're talking about how well a municipality maintains its roads, which is a completely different subject. Long story short, most or probably horrible at it, and yes, that reduces the safety of public roads.

To get back on track, though, I submit that it's not reasonable to be driving at almost 3X the legal speed limit, particularly in the situation described. That exceeds any rational standard of public safety, and there should be consequences for doing so.

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