Whipple instal questions and problems.

[ORANG50]

So is your Whipple supplied fuel line common with what comes in the Whipple F150 kit, or is your OEM fuel line somehow different than others to be more like the OEM F150 line? If you move the banjo fitting to the front, does it fit correctly (although maybe a little less clean looking because of how long it is), or is it actually too long to work correctly?

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[Roh92cp]

So is your Whipple supplied fuel line common with what comes in the Whipple F150 kit, or is your OEM fuel line somehow different than others to be more like the OEM F150 line? If you move the banjo fitting to the front, does it fit correctly (although maybe a little less clean looking because of how long it is), or is it actually too long to work correctly?

My factory fuel line is physically the same as all 15-16 Mustang GT's. The difference is in what Whipple supplies in their kits now, and the reason they went to a shorter fuel line is they can use the same one on the F150 kits.

I wish they had the fuel line that connects to the back of the rail much cleaner looking.

 

[Roh92cp]

I just picked the one biased closer to the passenger side like the manual said...

So how did you figure which plug was the passenger side. It's kind of confusing because both the blue IMRC connectors originate from the drivers side of the harness and then the split off from that. One of plugs is 1" longer, that's the one I used as I thought it could stretch further over to the passenger side IMRC plugs on the back of the factory manifold.

 

[Whipple SC]

My factory fuel line is physically the same as all 15-16 Mustang GT's. The difference is in what Whipple supplies in their kits now, and the reason they went to a shorter fuel line is they can use the same one on the F150 kits.

I wish they had the fuel line that connects to the back of the rail much cleaner looking.

If you want the other line just call and we will send you one. It's simple, instead of removing the connection at the firewall, you leave that connected, install banjo type fitting on driver side front. The new 4" line connects to banjo fitting. You zip tie line to egr hoses. This essentially mimics the stock fuel routing.

 

[Jmeo]

Sometimes there are some discrepancies with instructions, it just happens.

I have the F150 kit and the mustang kit and the fuel line is exactly as the new version in your kit, absolutely nothing wrong with it and once installed it is not even noticed.

As far as the plug for the ICP for me it only worked with one anyway. Plug it in and if doesn't work move it to the other one. It's pretty hard for the directions to accurately describe which one since they both come from the same harness and interpretation is different to just about anyone who would read it. If any thing it should just say what I mentioned...... Plug it in, if it doesn't come on move it to the other one lol.

Bottom line if ever an issue just give Whipple mission control a call and any one of the guys will walk you through it, they are great!

Enjoy your kit and welcome to the Whipple family

 

[Whipple SC]

My Whipple kit finally came in this past week and I've started the instal and have some questions and comments that may help others who are doing this and fare ollowing the directions. Mostly the disassembly is smooth and straight forward and most of the installation as well with the exception of a couple problems that I came across. Some of the directions may need updating or clarifications, or if I have missed something please advise.


1. First issue I had was with the coolant pump harness connection to the blue IMRC 2 way connection. The manual says on step 77 to connect the fan harness /pump to the 2 way pass side IMRC connector. The problem is there are 2 connections identical looking both are blue. The manual could be more specific as to the wiring colors on the connector that is used.

2. Instructions step 90 for installing the manifold bolts the 6mm Allen heads screws says to install the (4) 6mmx90mm bolts thought the fuel rail hand tight. Step 91 says now instal the (6) 6mmx40mm bolts manifold bolts hand tight. Now step 92'says to torque them down using a 5mm Allen socket. The problem is the middle manifold bolts 40mm long are under the fuel rail and are not accessible to torque down. This step is very hard to do without a 5mm ball end which allows you to tighten it at an angle I suggest Whipple supply the 5mm ball end to fit in a socket wrench so it can be torqued down to spec.

3. Whipple fuel line installation in step 95 says to instal the supplied fuel line to the drivers side firewall fuel line. The problem is the fuel line supplied in my kit does not match the Whipple fuel line pictured in step 95 the bottom picture below. The fuel line in my kit is about 4" long with mail and female connections, but the line pictured in step 95 is about 8" long and has both female ends. So my 4" fuel line can't connect to the factory hard line on the firewall. The short fuel line I have with my kit can only connect to the long rubber OEM line connected to the firewall hard line, and this seems way too long.

4. Maybe this one will seem nit picky, but never the less left me scratching my head. Step 99 instal of the EVAP solenoid has no mention of the quick connect fitting pictured on mine to be stainless steel and in the picture it's already installed and is black. The confusion I had was this quick connect fitting was not installed and was not mentioned in the manual step 99, I had to find it and guess which fitting it was.

5. This may be another question and not an issue, but may help others who see this and say what!! On the crusher 132mm throttle body their are large gaps between the throttle blades when fully closed. So yes when you cycle the throttle body it's spring loaded and hits a preset stop and this gap is left. Is this normal?

1. If you look at the instruction diagram on #77, you will see that the note by the 2x connector states what color wires the stock passenger side connector has.

2. We don't supply tools with the kit.

3. Fuel line was updated, instructions R18 covers it but it made it common with our 11-14 Mustang, 11-14 F150 and 15-16 F150 so they all end up the same and mimic the stock fuel routing. This uses the stock fuel line to the stock position. The banjo type fitting moves to the front instead of back. All other connections are maintained. Factory line can be secured to the heater hose, fuel rail or heater hoses for a clean look.

4. Thank you for pointing this out, we will add a note that identifies this fitting.

5. TB is pre-flow tested and seutp. They come ready to run as far as throttle blade position.

 

[Roh92cp]

1. If you look at the instruction diagram on #77, you will see that the note by the 2x connector states what color wires the stock passenger side connector has. Thanks for advising of my oversight, and I edited my original post to reflect the instructions are clear with regards to the Pump/fan IMRC connection. Thanks you.

2. We don't supply tools with the kit.
OK I understand not supplying tools, but this is a very difficult location to get at with any allen wrench or tool. Could you advise on how one is supposed to tighten the allen screw under the fuel rail? Maybe the instruction could use a little guidance on how to approach this.

3. Fuel line was updated, instructions R18 covers it but it made it common with our 11-14 Mustang, 11-14 F150 and 15-16 F150 so they all end up the same and mimic the stock fuel routing. This uses the stock fuel line to the stock position. The banjo type fitting moves to the front instead of back. All other connections are maintained. Factory line can be secured to the heater hose, fuel rail or heater hoses for a clean look. The only issue I have is not that it changed and uses a common shorter fuel line, but rather that I followed the directions that were not updated for this new part and new connection location. Maybe the instructions could use an update here.

4. Thank you for pointing this out, we will add a note that identifies this fitting.

5. TB is pre-flow tested and seutp. They come ready to run as far as throttle blade position.

Thanks again for the great service here.

 

[gsxr1300]

Would this work?

http://www.amazon.com/Powerbuilt-642403-Metric-Wobble-8-Piece/dp/B004QO9FXE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453764457&sr=8-1&keywords=wobble+allen+socket

 

[Roh92cp]

Would this work?

http://www.amazon.com/Powerbuilt-642403-Metric-Wobble-8-Piece/dp/B004QO9FXE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453764457&sr=8-1&keywords=wobble+allen+socket

That's the idea I had, but those short reach may be a problem if the expanded socket attachment would hit then fuel rail causing an extreme angle. I would opt for the long reach type that could pass as close to the fuel rail minimizing the the angle and less chance of stripping out the head.

Something like this maybe.
http://www.amazon.com/SAE-Metric-T-..._UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=0YFX1WBZC42FZ2ZHY4DK

 

[gsxr1300]

Home Depot

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-3-8-in-Drive-Metric-Long-Ball-Hex-Bit-Socket-Set-7-Piece-H3DMMLBBS7PC/202934858

 

[Jmeo]

Home Depot



http://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-3-...Bit-Socket-Set-7-Piece-H3DMMLBBS7PC/202934858

Yes these are what you need. I have a set metric and standard and they work like a charm.

Many tools are needed for an installation of this magnitude so having a tool supplied with a kit is just crazy. Where do you draw the line?

Now I would say having a "tools required" footnote for a particular job would be a great help for people who aren't tool collectors like myself lol.

Jaime

 

[Roh92cp]

Yes these are what you need. I have a set metric and standard and they work like a charm.

Many tools are needed for an installation of this magnitude so having a tool supplied with a kit is just crazy. Where do you draw the line?

Now I would say having a "tools required" footnote for a particular job would be a great help for people who aren't tool collectors like myself lol.

Jaime

All the other tools needed are standard tools and, we're not talking include a lb/inch torque wrench or anything. Maybe a stretch to have them include this in the kit but really would it be that expensive to include on little ball end Allen key and some instructions on how to torque this hidden bolt.

 

[Jmeo]

All the other tools needed are standard tools and, we're not talking include a lb/inch torque wrench or anything. Maybe a stretch to have them include this in the kit but really would it be that expensive to include on little ball end Allen key and some instructions on how to torque this hidden bolt.

I disagree. A large percentage of people do not have a torque wrench so should this be supplied? Same goes for a heat gun for the shrink wrapping and so on and so on.

I have been around mechanics all my life, my dad was a full time mechanic who taught me almost all I know so between helping him my whole life and the past 30+ years of doing my own mechanic work I have learned a vast tool collection is important if you want to do more than simple bolt on jobs. I can tell you with honesty not one of my hundreds of tools has come included in any job I've ever done.

The tool required is a long ball head end allen socket, not just a allen wrench because it needs to be used with a torque wrench for proper torquing.

I use the motto if you need a special tool once, borrow it. If you need it a second time, buy it.


I understand where you are coming from kinda but completely disagree. You ask for one one tool, the next guy asks for another. Where does it end?

Who knows, maybe I'm the exception to the rule but I don't believe a vendor should "have"to include tools.

The flip side is someone is spending upwards of 8-9 thousand dollars on a kit and should be able to afford the few dollars to buy the tool.

Just my 2¢

Jaime

 

[Roh92cp]

I disagree. A large percentage of people do not have a torque wrench so should this be supplied? Same goes for a heat gun for the shrink wrapping and so on and so on.

I have been around mechanics all my life, my dad was a full time mechanic who taught me almost all I know so between helping him my whole life and the past 30+ years of doing my own mechanic work I have learned a vast tool collection is important if you want to do more than simple bolt on jobs. I can tell you with honesty not one of my hundreds of tools has come included in any job I've ever done.

The tool required is a long ball head end allen socket, not just a allen wrench because it needs to be used with a torque wrench for proper torquing.

I use the motto if you need a special tool once, borrow it. If you need it a second time, buy it.


I understand where you are coming from kinda but completely disagree. You ask for one one tool, the next guy asks for another. Where does it end?

Who knows, maybe I'm the exception to the rule but I don't believe a vendor should "have"to include tools.

The flip side is someone is spending upwards of 8-9 thousand dollars on a kit and should be able to afford the few dollars to buy the tool.

Just my 2¢

Jaime

LOL...you drove your point home for sure. At least we agree on the footnote of how to:cheers:

 

[Jmeo]

LOL...you drove your point home for sure. At least we agree on the footnote of how to:cheers:

Lol we sure do. Again, welcome to the Whipple family

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