Which has more lower TQ?

[wireeater]

Who starts a roll race at 2000-2500 rpm? And even if you did, in an auto, you are going to pretty much instantly kick down into a lower gear and take off.

I get that the coyote isn't a stump puller in the lower rpms, but higher rpms are just a gear shift way - or a stab of the foot in an auto. And you certainly don't have to be 'flat to the floor' to get moving.

This is what I am wondering myself. My car is never under 3500-4k RPM if I am about to WOT. I would also say, 2000RPM is dangerous load for a turbo car too if you are WOT. Great way to blow shit up.

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[PJR202]

How a person cannot tell the difference between someone joking about (some) people's "worship" of their specific car and actual discussion about one of the many "higher power" based religions is beyond me. Good grief.

 

[foghat]

Yet you fired the first shot against something that's not allowed to be talked about on this forum. Nobody is trying to be tough, that's your opinion.



14. Prohibited Topics — Politics, religion, street racing, violent acts, drug use, or any other illegal activities may not be discussed on the forum.

Not sure that using the word 'religion' in a sentence qualifies as 'talking about religion'.

 

[wireeater]

Not sure that using the word 'religion' in a sentence qualifies as 'talking about religion'.

I just decided to name my car religion. :eyebulge: Banned!

 

[Ebm]

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This is what I am wondering myself. My car is never under 3500-4k RPM if I am about to WOT. I would also say, 2000RPM is dangerous load for a turbo car too if you are WOT. Great way to blow shit up.

The 3:31 gearing in the ecoboost is a bit tall. 6th gear isn't really effective until 75 mph or so. 70mph has you sitting at 2k RPM and any incline at all and you can feel the engine lugging. But yes, the car has no power under 2k RPM.

 

[Ebm]

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Not sure that using the word 'religion' in a sentence qualifies as 'talking about religion'.

Not sure you understood the context...

When he said science vs religion, he was inferring fact vs fiction. Get it now?

 

[Norm Peterson]

So if you're jumping on the throttle from idle or low-RPM cruise, the EB will kick a little harder for a brief second until RPMs rise and the GT takes over.

That may work if you start with enough rpms on the clock for the EB to already be showing positive manifold pressure. But without boost you're talking about the difference between 2.3L and 5.0L, both normally aspirated. There isn't nearly enough difference in curb weight or gearing to cover that big of a torque difference.

"Equivalence factors" have been tried in road racing and autocross, and I don't recall any of those exceeding 2. SCCA uses 1.4 for the Modified category of Solo (autocross). Makes the turbo-2.3L compare to 4.6L or less, NA.

Besides if you want to suddenly go fast, you shouldn't be cruising at < 2500 RPM

If you "suddenly" want to go fast - meaning that you've made no advance planning whatsoever for doing so - you're stuck with whatever you've got. At least until you downshift (or the transmission does that for you). This is a common enough situation in daily driving that tends to fall more under 'responsiveness' than outright powerfulness.


Norm

 

[airfuel]

This thread gives Mustang owners a bad name.

 

[tw557]

So what you're saying is...you don't feel that you should need to press the pedal down farther to go faster?

I can make any car feel sluggish if I lug it at low RPMs. You need to learn how to operate the vehicle for it's intended power-band. If the RPMs are too low, downshift or for an automatic, push the pedal down farther.

All of this part throttle talk is total BS. Push the damn pedal down farther if you want to go faster. If you want less throttle modulation, go buy a pedal max. You'll then be able to push the pedal down half way and have the car be at WOT.

Yes. Very simply put. I did not for one minute think I needed to push the pedal farther and rev higher the gt to go as good as the ecoboost and don't want too . why should I have to I figured. But unfortunately just pushing the pedal farther didn't to it either. I needed higher revs too.
So for many of you it doesn't bother you that lugging around the gt is not much power but you know if you want to really go you downshift and nail it. For me I like instant low end boost and pull.

 

[tw557]

I must have a different GT because dropping into 4th from 6th while doing 75mph hits me like a brick in the back. You're at 110 in like 3 seconds. I can't fathom how someone would try to compare hitting the gas halfway while in the 2-3k rpm range in an automatic. What does that even mean??

I did that too and it was awesome. It really was. Unfortunately I get to do that once a week where I live. It means I drive in the 2-3k range 80% of my driving so you tell me why the hell I would not at least give a little concideration to how it runs in that range. I figured it needs to be at least as good in that range. but it was not.

 

[millhouse]

Yes. Very simply put. I did not for one minute think I needed to push the pedal farther and rev higher the gt to go as good as the ecoboost and don't want too . why should I have to I figured. But unfortunately just pushing the pedal farther didn't to it either. I needed higher revs too.
So for many of you it doesn't bother you that lugging around the gt is not much power but you know if you want to really go you downshift and nail it. For me I like instant low end boost and pull.

You then are one of those people who need a pedalmax. You wan't an on/off switch for a throttle body to give you the perception of increased low end torque.

Once again, according to every dyno I have seen, the coyote has more torque at every RPM range.

It's also worth noting that lugging an engine is bad, especially with forced induction.

I did that too and it was awesome. It really was. Unfortunately I get to do that once a week where I live. It means I drive in the 2-3k range 80% of my driving so you tell me why the hell I would not at least give a little concideration to how it runs in that range. I figured it needs to be at least as good in that range. but it was not.

And once again, the coyote has more torque everywhere in the RPM range.

 

[foghat]

Not sure you understood the context...

When he said science vs religion, he was inferring fact vs fiction. Get it now?

I interpreted more as fact vs. opinion.

 

[PJR202]

I did that too and it was awesome. It really was. Unfortunately I get to do that once a week where I live. It means I drive in the 2-3k range 80% of my driving so you tell me why the hell I would not at least give a little concideration to how it runs in that range. I figured it needs to be at least as good in that range. but it was not.

Paddle shift the auto?

I have no idea.

 

[73MachI]

I interpreted more as fact vs. opinion.

And you are correct, sir. Dyno charts vs. seat o' the pants dyno.

Others seeking opportunities to be offended notwithstanding.

 

[tw557]

Car and Driver instrument tested 50 to 70 ecoboost quicker then gt by a sec and 3 sec vs the gt350 and Camaro SS. Not results I would expect either. Granted these are quite low rpm pulls.

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