The panel alignment on my 23000 dollar 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 was perfect. On my 35000 dollar 2015 ford it is not.
As someone who works in the automotive industry, I can tell you that your memory must not serve you very well, or you got extremely lucky. Take a look at the initial quality ranking from JD Power. That's the number is issues (body panel alignment included) that owners experienced per 100 vehicles:
Fair enough. Have you contacted customer relations? Dealerships are franchises, so the experience can vary greatly from one to the next.
I've seen and worked on plenty of Camrys, as well as other Toyotas. They are nothing more than mass produced crap, there is no craftsmanship to speak of on those vehicles. The 2007-2014 Camry never changed; that gave Toyota a lot of time to address body panel fitment, squeaks, rattles, etc. And yet they still roll into the dealer with those issues. Like I stated earlier, nothing is exempt from built quality concerns unless you buy a hand-built vehicle, which of course is extremely cost prohibitive for the average consumer.
Probably the most trouble free vehicle I've ever owned (which I still have) is a 2005 Toyota Tacoma 4x4. 2005 was the first year of that generation too, and it was well built and it's never been to the dealer for any warranty work. I probably just got lucky with this one. It was made at the tail end of the 2005 production run, so they probably had manufacturing down on the new model by then.
I can just as easily pick my own numbers out of that report, outside of SUV's and trucks Ford doesn't do so well. Too bad I didn't buy an Escape. My loaner Explorer with 15K on the ODO has no rattles.
My experience isn't singular or anecdotal but I'm glad most people contacted by J.D. Powers seem happy. I may be the luckiest man on Earth given my broad experience with many mass produced vehicles along with a dearth of issues. I always chalked it up to buying foreign, non-crap, but I think I'll have to reconsider myself blessed.
Not yet but we're getting close, currently on day 12 without my car and they still can't tell me what's wrong with the transmission.
No, nothing is, and no one was saying that.
No, you can't. Unless you do your own study, the numbers are the numbers.
What's it doing? Bearing noise? Shifting issues?
The Camry's last redesign was 2007. The 2012 model was nothing more than a refresh. Care to back up your comments? Of course you cannot, because there are millions of Toyotas that leave the factory with misaligned panels. And yes, some of them are so bad that the paint it damaged between panels. I've seen it first hand. What makes you think Toyota is somehow exempt from mass manufacturing issues that somehow affect all other car manufacturers? It's simply nonsense.
Take it to the dealer and have the issues resolved. It's that simple.
The point was lost on you, your link shows that Ford does well with SUVs and trucks, that's great, they do not do well in any other category. The Mustang isn't a truck or an SUV.
Yes, input shaft bearing issues, it's been at the dealer for 20 days. http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36861
Every single internet review and Toyota forum disagrees with you, the 2012 was all new, not sure why you are digging in on that. Go to Edmunds, Cars.com, anywhere.
I'm not singling Toyota out as some paragon, merely as an example of a mass produced car with many more produced than the Mustang that does not have these quality issues.
:love: That's cute.
No, evidently the information was lost on YOU. The JD Power Inital Quality Study does not factor in the type of vehicle. It's a study of ALL VEHICLES. See the bar graph in the link? Look again. Nothing is separated by vehicle type, it's all by brand.
I read through the other thread. Sounds like you're making a big deal out of a basic repair. The issue is with the dealer, there is no reason they should have taken so long to diagnose the issue and begin the repair process.
Internet reviews don't matter, they only repeat what they are told by the manufacturer. Toyota (and Asian auto manufacturers in general) are known for lying and fudging numbers. They said the 2016 Tacoma was all new too; guess what? It's not. It's the same old pile of shit, drum brakes and all. The only thing new is the styling. Same with the Camry, it's the same car from 2007 with nothing more than different styling. Even the engines and transmissions are all carryover from 2007.
Ford's most profitable product is trucks, and I suspect their best engineers get put on the truck teams. When I was looking at Mustangs, I guessed that they borrowed the 5.0 from the F150 and stuffed that into their sports coupe, with some minor performance mods, so I have confidence in the engine. Ditto the Auto transmission.
They do not score highly in any other category, it's from your own damn link, again you are tilting at windmills.
You're insane and cannot admit you're wrong, the motors are new with DI, the panels, the interior. Good grief, you are wrong guy.
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LOL...well played sir.
You can't be serious. Look at the bar graph in the link. That factors in ALL Ford vehicles, including trucks, cars and SUVs. With EVERYTHING factored in, that is where the brand scores.
Maybe you should provide something to back up your nonsense instead of just calling me "wrong". The Tacoma rides on the same chassis that it has been on since 2005. The only changes for 2016 were the sheetmetal, an engine from a different Toyota product (not a NEW engine), and an interior that finally brings it into this century. All of the underpinnings are the same, right down to the archaic rear drum brakes, which on a 2016 model is just downright embarrassing.
