What's the latest....?

[GRTWHT]

So far all we've heard from FP is " late summer" and "investigating ". What gives !

"late summer" - isn't that when the 2017 MY will be available? A MY with a "standard" transmission cooler?

I will give Ford the benefit and wait and see what happens. Even if they do, it is not going to be cheap.

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[50 Deep]

So impatient..... So cynical....

Take a deep breath. Enjoy your car. Ford has already stated they are working on a solution. If they release it too soon and there is an issue there will be even more butt hurt. Anybody that planned on spending every weekend on a race track should have ordered a track pack. The rest of us who got tech packs planned to spend 80-90% of our time on city streets. People are making it seem like they can't enjoy their cars or something because they don't have coolers they didn't really intend to use in the first place.

 

[morjo02]

does the GT350R have the limp mode issue ???

 

[TDC]

does the GT350R have the limp mode issue ???

No reports of R's or Track pack cars having Limp mode. Many reports back from members here that track them that temps aren't going crazy.

Tech pack is the only ones so far with the issue. Your upcoming R should be ready to take on any track! :cheers:

 

[Caballus]

So impatient..... So cynical....

Take a deep breath. Enjoy your car. Ford has already stated they are working on a solution. If they release it too soon and there is an issue there will be even more butt hurt. Anybody that planned on spending every weekend on a race track should have ordered a track pack. The rest of us who got tech packs planned to spend 80-90% of our time on city streets. People are making it seem like they can't enjoy their cars or something because they don't have coolers they didn't really intend to use in the first place.

It's not a matter of frequency; it's a matter of duration. Every indication so far is that a non-TP or R model car can handle a single track session 0% of the time. So for now it's 100% of the time on the street or truncated track sessions (10-15 mins according to reports).

"Never intended to have coolers" should not equate to a sports car that was "never intended for a single track session" or for yet to be defined "extended high speeds". The focus is now shifting to the 2017, and there is no compelling reason for Ford to address the issue of 2015 or 2016.

 

[50 Deep]

It's not a matter of frequency; it's a matter of duration. Every indication so far is that a non-TP or R model car can handle a single track session 0% of the time. So for now it's 100% of the time on the street or truncated track sessions (10-15 mins according to reports).

"Never intended to have coolers" should not equate to a sports car that was "never intended for a single track session" or for yet to be defined "extended high speeds". The focus is now shifting to the 2017, and there is no compelling reason for Ford to address the issue of 2015 or 2016.

Do you even have your car? If so how many times have YOU tracked it? If you haven't personally experienced the issue or somehow been affected by it then you shouldn't be on the internet constantly complaining about a problem you don't/are not having. There are maybe 7-8 guys on this board who have personally experienced it. Even those guys had the car out for fun, they aren't hard core track users. The rest don't have cars yet, haven't gone to the track, or are just on the whaaaambulance. If you were a true track rat then you would have ordered the track package and the tech wouldn't have been an option for you. If you bought a tech pack with hopes of becoming the next American Iron prodigy then you simply chose the wrong package.

The car could run longer at a track, but ford built in a limit so tech car owners weren't blowing up their ride every track session. Limp mode is a safety limit, not an issue with the car. Ford gave all of us an option on what package to choose. YOU made that decision after scouring the Internet, reading reviews, hunting for a deal, and waiting countless days. Buying a tech pack was an informed decision people made because track use wasn't that important. Now it seems those who have a restriction on 1% of the cars intended use complain relentlessly.

 

[Caballus]

Do you even have your car? If so how many times have YOU tracked it? If you haven't personally experienced the issue or somehow been affected by it then you shouldn't be on the internet constantly complaining about a problem you don't/are not having. There are maybe 7-8 guys on this board who have personally experienced it. Even those guys had the car out for fun, they aren't hard core track users. The rest don't have cars yet, haven't gone to the track, or are just on the whaaaambulance. If you were a true track rat then you would have ordered the track package and the tech wouldn't have been an option for you. If you bought a tech pack with hopes of becoming the next American Iron prodigy then you simply chose the wrong package.

The car could run longer at a track, but ford built in a limit so tech car owners weren't blowing up their ride every track session. Limp mode is a safety limit, not an issue with the car. Ford gave all of us an option on what package to choose. YOU made that decision after scouring the Internet, reading reviews, hunting for a deal, and waiting countless days. Buying a tech pack was an informed decision people made because track use wasn't that important. Now it seems those who have a restriction on 1% of the cars intended use complain relentlessly.

Do I have my car yet? No. It gets off the boat tomorrow and I get it next week, which doesn't matter one bit because it is 100% paid--no lien. So, I've paid for a GT350, regardless to where it is, and as an owner I have a legitimate concern.

Agreed, there are 7-8 guys who have experienced it, and zero that have reported going to the track for a full session and having no issue. So, do I wait for a bomb to go off or do I first try to prevent it from being assembled and emplaced, or barring that, deactivate it before it goes off? I prefer not to drive the car to failure (limp mode) when it has already been shown 7-8 times that this is exactly what will happen if a fix is not provided.

Being a true track rat has nothing to do with it. The car was advertised with a particular capability, which has been referenced countless times on this forum, and it cannot perform to that capability. That is an issue. And yes, I did plan to use that capability on the track on occasion.

You have no idea what was or was not important to me--none. The issue is the car was advertised to have a particular capability that it cannot perform--until corrected with the 2017 model. Included in that inability is the inability to sustain high speeds. So, yes, I have an issue with that, which is the subject of this particular thread.

 

[Hack]

Do you even have your car? If so how many times have YOU tracked it? If you haven't personally experienced the issue or somehow been affected by it then you shouldn't be on the internet constantly complaining about a problem you don't/are not having. There are maybe 7-8 guys on this board who have personally experienced it. Even those guys had the car out for fun, they aren't hard core track users. The rest don't have cars yet, haven't gone to the track, or are just on the whaaaambulance. If you were a true track rat then you would have ordered the track package and the tech wouldn't have been an option for you. If you bought a tech pack with hopes of becoming the next American Iron prodigy then you simply chose the wrong package.

The car could run longer at a track, but ford built in a limit so tech car owners weren't blowing up their ride every track session. Limp mode is a safety limit, not an issue with the car. Ford gave all of us an option on what package to choose. YOU made that decision after scouring the Internet, reading reviews, hunting for a deal, and waiting countless days. Buying a tech pack was an informed decision people made because track use wasn't that important. Now it seems those who have a restriction on 1% of the cars intended use complain relentlessly.

I for one think he has a legitimate complaint. I've read similar statements to what you are saying over and over again as well. Guess what? I still disagree and also think that you are misrepresenting our position.

American Iron? Really? Do you think that's fair? No, of course I didn't buy a tech pack to race. I wouldn't have bought any street car and expected to do that. I just want to take "the most track capable Mustang ever" to the track for an HPDE a couple times a year. I believe it should perform at least slightly better than my base 2015 GT I had at the track last year. I don't think I'm asking too much.

 

[jwhite]

I who admittedly am waiting a TrackPack. I think the first thing I'd do if I were Caballas, get your car first drive the crap out of it, see if you can put it into limp mode? You might be over reacting to something you don't have the capability to do? I'm not discounting your driving skills, but give the car a chance, don't hate what you haven't driven yet.

 

[50 Deep]

Do I have my car yet? No. It gets off the boat tomorrow and I get it next week, which doesn't matter one bit because it is 100% paid--no lien. So, I've paid for a GT350, regardless to where it is, and as an owner I have a legitimate concern.

Agreed, there are 7-8 guys who have experienced it, and zero that have reported going to the track for a full session and having no issue. So, do I wait for a bomb to go off or do I first try to prevent it from being assembled and emplaced, or barring that, deactivate it before it goes off? I prefer not to drive the car to failure (limp mode) when it has already been shown 7-8 times that this is exactly what will happen if a fix is not provided.

Being a true track rat has nothing to do with it. The car was advertised with a particular capability, which has been referenced countless times on this forum, and it cannot perform to that capability. That is an issue. And yes, I did plan to use that capability on the track on occasion.

You have no idea what was or was not important to me--none. The issue is the car was advertised to have a particular capability that it cannot perform--until corrected with the 2017 model. Included in that inability is the inability to sustain high speeds. So, yes, I have an issue with that, which is the subject of this particular thread.

The point is proven that the majority of those complaining are not suffering from anything, and have not even experienced the car yet. Ford knows the car can perform at the track, and it will perform so well that without coolers most owners will grenade the transmission. Ford has built in a safeguard to PREVENT people from blowing up their cars. This is not because they were unaware of the performance ability of the car. Ford recommends you add coolers for sustained track use, and until you do so the company is not going to let you damage your car. I for one appreciate the fact the Ford built in a buffer, because you would otherwise be unaware of damage caused until it was too late.

Everyone that bought a tech pack planned to upgrade the coolers later, but preferred more street ameneties. That is exactly what you get, and you still need to spend money on cooling upgrades that we all planned to do anyway. Gje exact same way track pack owners knew they were going to drop some coin on a nice infotainment system. Ford is already working on a solution, but somehow that is not good enough. You may actually own your car physically for 5-6 months before there is a viable option that we all planned to purchase anyway. Which will still cost the same or less than having the option to combine the tech/track pack at the dealer. Not to mention may actually perform better than stock since the aftermarket is on board also.

Stop pounding the keyboard and complaining until you get in your car, fire it up for the first time, and experience the WIN. When you drive the car on the steet like you will 98% of the time you won't shed a tear

 

[superman07]

bullshit, quit carrying fords water, their own press kit for christ sake said you could take the cars to the track, a 14 min session max is completely ridiculous. this shouldn't even be a debate but the fanboys just cant stand to admit their favorite blue logo makes mistakes. Jesus you bore me. The same few continue to come in state their opinion and shit on every thread give it a rest. We get it you think we are dumb. I think many of you cant see past your blue tinted sunglasses.

 

[superman07]

I plan to track, I'm right next to Mid Ohio, I don't need to waste money to prove limp mode is real, it is well documented. being sold on features that fall short also effects re-sale value so the idea that if you don't live on the track your opinion doesn't matter is blathering idiocy. Many folks now have cars stained by the well known fact they don't have a cooler that limits then to a ridiculously low level of track involvement if any. The spectrum of potential buyers was just limited. supply and demand.

 

[Hack]

The point is proven that the majority of those complaining are not suffering from anything, and have not even experienced the car yet. Ford knows the car can perform at the track, and it will perform so well that without coolers most owners will grenade the transmission. Ford has built in a safeguard to PREVENT people from blowing up their cars. This is not because they were unaware of the performance ability of the car. Ford recommends you add coolers for sustained track use, and until you do so the company is not going to let you damage your car. I for one appreciate the fact the Ford built in a buffer, because you would otherwise be unaware of damage caused until it was too late.

Everyone that bought a tech pack planned to upgrade the coolers later, but preferred more street ameneties. That is exactly what you get, and you still need to spend money on cooling upgrades that we all planned to do anyway. Gje exact same way track pack owners knew they were going to drop some coin on a nice infotainment system. Ford is already working on a solution, but somehow that is not good enough. You may actually own your car physically for 5-6 months before there is a viable option that we all planned to purchase anyway. Which will still cost the same or less than having the option to combine the tech/track pack at the dealer. Not to mention may actually perform better than stock since the aftermarket is on board also.

Stop pounding the keyboard and complaining until you get in your car, fire it up for the first time, and experience the WIN. When you drive the car on the steet like you will 98% of the time you won't shed a tear

I assumed the bits about adding coolers in the manual were legalese meaning that on a super hot day on certain tracks there might be a heat problem with non-track pack cars. I never would have guessed that even in cool temperatures the non-track pack cars would quickly go into limp mode. How would I have guessed that the GT350 would have more of a problem on the track than a base GT?

I called SVT and said I was planning an HPDE and they didn't tell me to go to the event and see how the car performs. The Ford SVT expert immediately started encouraging me to add coolers ASAP.

And all your generalizations about who bought what options and why are not right either. I didn't care about Nav/leather/fancy seats/etc. I was coming from a base GT. The base GT level of equipment was FINE for me and I actually would prefer to buy a car with less equipment than the base GT offers. I just wanted the Voodoo engine first of all - and then I also wanted to be able to fit into the seats and magneride was a must have. So, based on the info I had I made my best choice I could at the time.

I do agree that the car is a blast on the street and I love it. All the extra features that I didn't care about are really great too and I'm enjoying them. I would have bought a track pack if I'd known what I do now, though. I could have found some seats somewhere - I probably would have had to buy seats for track plus seats for daily use, but that would have been ok.

I have been driving the car for the last 4 months and hopefully in another 3 or 4 months Ford will have a solution so that after about a year and a half of owning the car I will be able to go to the track with no worries. It probably won't happen this year is my guess. If the coolers are available in late summer I will probably have them installed the next spring. No real reason to have the coolers installed right before winter.

 

[Tank]

I don't need to waste money to prove limp mode is real, it is well documented. being sold on features that fall short also effects re-sale value so the idea that if you don't live on the track your opinion doesn't matter is blathering idiocy.

Agree to this and other post supporting the coolers for base/tech. It's not the point to drive it to limp mode, it's the integrity of the Shelby name and advertised performance as the most track capable Mustang ever. This is not a complaint from me, it's identifying and solving a perceived deficiency with the base/tech models. Why track/R model owners want to weigh in, berate our choice confuses me. What pony do you have in this race? Why do you care if we use these forums to express our opinion? I can only guess they are concerned, that when FP does come up with the fix, we will have made the better choice..

 

[Sprintamx]

The point is proven that the majority of those complaining are not suffering from anything, and have not even experienced the car yet. Ford knows the car can perform at the track, and it will perform so well that without coolers most owners will grenade the transmission. Ford has built in a safeguard to PREVENT people from blowing up their cars. This is not because they were unaware of the performance ability of the car. Ford recommends you add coolers for sustained track use, and until you do so the company is not going to let you damage your car. I for one appreciate the fact the Ford built in a buffer, because you would otherwise be unaware of damage caused until it was too late.

Everyone that bought a tech pack planned to upgrade the coolers later, but preferred more street ameneties. That is exactly what you get, and you still need to spend money on cooling upgrades that we all planned to do anyway. Gje exact same way track pack owners knew they were going to drop some coin on a nice infotainment system. Ford is already working on a solution, but somehow that is not good enough. You may actually own your car physically for 5-6 months before there is a viable option that we all planned to purchase anyway. Which will still cost the same or less than having the option to combine the tech/track pack at the dealer. Not to mention may actually perform better than stock since the aftermarket is on board also.

Stop pounding the keyboard and complaining until you get in your car, fire it up for the first time, and experience the WIN. When you drive the car on the steet like you will 98% of the time you won't shed a tear

You're making baseless universal statements about expectations, and are therefore just as guilty of making unfounded assertions that seem to be the target of your "keyboard pounding" in this thread. I understand your point, and it has a degree of validity. And, yes, it can be annoying when old wounds are constantly irritated.

But, there are two points everyone should keep in mind, regardless of how you want to rationalize the option packages for the 2016 MY. First, there has yet to be any demonstration that pre-sale literature confirmed the need for coolers for track use beyond 10 minutes, give or take a few minutes. To those who "knew" they would be needed, bravo and congrats on your common sense, but it wasn't published information. So, it's natural for folks to be disappointed.

Second, Ford intentionally chose to deny an OE upgrade path, but then did a 180 degree about face after one model year and is equipping ALL GT350s with the coolers. Correct me if my numbers are wrong, but there were/are more tech packs than track packs sold for 2016, right? If that's true, then it suggests that a majority of the initial buyers did not purchase the car with the intent to track the car (according to many prognosticators on this forum). And, if that's true, then what market segment / use preference research suggested to Ford that ALL future GT350s should include accessory items that most buyers believe are unnecessary / undesirable, again according to the prognosticators. This change is easily viewed as Ford acknowledging a "problem" with a solution denied to MY 2016 owners. Again, disappointment is natural here.

Ford made a choice for whatever unreported reasons to use a different transmission configuration for the Base/Tech cars. That choice effectively isolates these cars from the GT350s true potential, and it also denies owners from a ready OE upgrade path. There is no confirmed factory solution in the works; it's all hearsay at the moment. Even assuming one is in the works, reports also seem to indicate a "figure it out yourself" attitude. Of course all of this is going to frustrate and anger buyers. Changing the configuration of all cars for MY 2017--without regard to buyer intent or desire--only pours salt in that wound.

Now, having pounded on my soap box, I absolutely agree with your last point. This car rocks, and having one to drive anywhere is a WIN!

The lack of coolers has no impact on my street use, and the Tech Pack goodies make it a joy on the street. I will admit to being anxious about a cooler solution because the reality is that I can only tap into about 50% of this car's potential on the street. I want to get into all of it, and as a long-time track driver, instructor and part-time racer, I know for sure that 10 minutes is not going to cut it. So, I'll continue to support the drum beat for a solution and see what I can come up with that may be helpful to others in my situation.

Cheers.

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