What the Hell is Wrong with Us?

[Sivi70980]

I don't claim to be the smartest person. I just know that when doctors, experts, career health professionals tell me how to help stem the virus, I do it. I don't blow off their recommendations, I don't think I know better than them(Any dumb anti-vaxxers around here?).

TLDR: If you're not a professional in the health care field, shut the fuck up and listen to what they're telling you.

Listening isn't the problem, it's getting 5 different answers from 5 different doctors that adds the doubt. Went through this with my mom when she had cancer (she whooped it's ass!) Even with this COVID19 crap, aren't we getting contradicting info from actual CDC reps and doctors? And as I've said before, the majority of the precautions are to do what my clean freak ass has been doing my entire life. I'll also add that I do try to do what I'm told except when it doesn't look or feel right. That's all I got lol

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[Norm Peterson]

I don't claim to be the smartest person. I just know that when doctors, experts, career health professionals tell me how to help stem the virus, I do it. I don't blow off their recommendations, I don't think I know better than them

OK . . . so you're not supposed to be touching your hands to your face . . . does this mean you've stopped brushing your teeth and flossing, or holding a handkerchief up to your mouth and nose when you feel a sneeze coming?

Sivi has a point; consistent guidelines are what's needed, and it took a while for them to gel. Honestly, not much about the current guidelines has affected me all that much to follow them. My exposure is truly minimal to begin with.

(Any dumb anti-vaxxers around here?).

Really dumb would be to accept a vaccination when you're allergic to either something in the vaccine or the culture that it was grown or prepared in. Been there, and being itchy all over on the inside or having only a mild anaphylactic episode is no joke. Bad outcome guaranteed vs only risked, I'll take the risk.

The way you phrased it, 'dumb' is assuming that the best answer for you applies to everybody. It doesn't.


Norm

 

[Qcman17]

Really dumb would be to accept a vaccination when you're allergic to either something in the vaccine or the culture that it was grown or prepared in. Been there, and being itchy all over on the inside or having only a mild anaphylactic episode is no joke. Bad outcome guaranteed vs only risked, I'll take the risk.

The way you phrased it, 'dumb' is assuming that the best answer for you applies to everybody. It doesn't.


Norm

The way I see vaccinations is that not everyone can have one and you would have fallen in that small category with the allergic response. But if the folks that can have them safely do then those that cannot are much safer. I couldn't have vaccinations as a child but the kids I played with all had them so I remained safe.

 

[Norm Peterson]

The way I see vaccinations is that not everyone can have one and you would have fallen in that small category with the allergic response. But if the folks that can have them safely do then those that cannot are much safer. I couldn't have vaccinations as a child but the kids I played with all had them so I remained safe.

Exactly.

It's perhaps not the route you'd prefer to take, but there is such a thing as 'group immunity' if enough of those around you are able to accept whatever vaccine and you can minimize your own exposure.

It'll be at least a year (if ever) for COVID vaccination to become reality, let alone a point worth discussion.


Norm

 

[Bikeman315]

Listening isn't the problem, it's getting 5 different answers from 5 different doctors that adds the doubt. Went through this with my mom when she had cancer (she whooped it's ass!) Even with this COVID19 crap, aren't we getting contradicting info from actual CDC reps and doctors? And as I've said before, the majority of the precautions are to do what my clean freak ass has been doing my entire life. I'll also add that I do try to do what I'm told except when it doesn't look or feel right. That's all I got lol

First and foremost, congrats to your mom for kicking cancers ass. Much of the advice we were getting from the CDC was being cleared by the White House. It's no wonder we are getting some conflicting advice. The goods news is that everyone seems to be getting on the same page. Hopefully this will mean better information going forward.

 

[Sivi70980]

First and foremost, congrats to your wife kicking cancers ass. Much of the advice we were getting from the CDC was being cleared by the White House. It's no wonder we are getting some conflicting advice. The goods news is that everyone seems to be getting on the same page. Hopefully this will mean better information going forward.

Mom not wife but thank you! The one thing I think we can all agree on is we're all more than ready for this to be done...and we may only be getting started...

 

[Bikeman315]

Mom not wife but thank you! The one thing I think we can all agree on is we're all more than ready for this to be done...and we may only be getting started...

Sorry, corrected above.

 

[shogun32]

It'll be at least a year (if ever) for COVID vaccination to become reality, let alone a point worth discussion.

The H1N1 vax was a failure despite the early hype. Even if you had 200 million dosages of validated effective (and safe) Wuhan vax in your hands tomorrow, you couldn't inject everybody in a timely enough fashion to matter anyway.

 

[Shift]

OK . . . so you're not supposed to be touching your hands to your face . . . does this mean you've stopped brushing your teeth and flossing, or holding a handkerchief up to your mouth and nose when you feel a sneeze coming?

Ok, that's a bit of a stretch. You're going to wash your hands on a consistent basis, and I always wash my hands before I brush my teeth. Sneezing into your arm prevents having to wash your hands. And if you don't have a long sleeve, you'd sneeze into your hands and wash them asap without touching anything.

Sivi has a point; consistent guidelines are what's needed, and it took a while for them to gel. Honestly, not much about the current guidelines has affected me all that much to follow them. My exposure is truly minimal to begin with.



Really dumb would be to accept a vaccination when you're allergic to either something in the vaccine or the culture that it was grown or prepared in. Been there, and being itchy all over on the inside or having only a mild anaphylactic episode is no joke. Bad outcome guaranteed vs only risked, I'll take the risk.

The way you phrased it, 'dumb' is assuming that the best answer for you applies to everybody. It doesn't.

You're obviously the exception. My anti-vax comment, as with any, applies to people who would not have any issues with vaccinations, and instead rather listen to random online people than actual medical professionals. You have people like this mother who suffocated her child accidentally because her child slept with her in the bed, and blamed vaccination as the cause of her death: https://www.thedailybeast.com/evee-...gn-posters-died-co-sleeping-not-from-vaccines

These are the dumb people among us.

 

[Norm Peterson]

I've never known anybody to wash their hands before brushing their teeth unless they used the toilet first. Never even heard it suggested, not even by a dentist. And sneezing into your arm/elbow/hands was always a last-resort kind of thing when nothing that could serve as a handkerchief could be had in time.

I agree that in the absence of medical contra-indication, you should accept being vaccinated (religious objections . . . not gonna go there). But by the same token, blanket statements of "everybody needs to get vaccinated against everything" don't get to go unchallenged. Time was when people who were allergic to peanuts weren't taken all that seriously, either.


Norm

 

[Stone pony]

‍ Guess I'm ocd.. I always wash my hand before brushing my teeth. Never sneeze in my hands. The sad thing I'm noticing in this unfortunate world wide health care issue is how late to the party, we, the supposedly greatest country in the world are accepting it. What we as individuals should or should not from the good of ourselves and others, be it family, friends, fellow citizens, or even humanity. People are now talking about the curve. In China its turn. We need the understand we are not China. We haven't pulled people off the streets for not obeying guidelines. Our curve is going to be different. Italy, a more open society is sending us a warning. It just seems we as Americans, leaders of the free world are letting freedom get in the way of true leadership. Again late to the party.

 

[Rash]

‍ Guess I'm ocd.. I always wash my hand before brushing my teeth. Never sneeze in my hands. The sad thing I'm noticing in this unfortunate world wide health care issue is how late to the party, we, the supposedly greatest country in the world are accepting it. What we as individuals should or should not from the good of ourselves and others, be it family, friends, fellow citizens, or even humanity. People are now talking about the curve. In China its turn. We need the understand we are not China. We haven't pulled people off the streets for not obeying guidelines. Our curve is going to be different. Italy, a more open society is sending us a warning. It just seems we as Americans, leaders of the free world are letting freedom get in the way of true leadership. Again late to the party.

It certainly doesn’t help that our president calls everything fake news that he doesn’t agree with, and in the initial stages of this pandemic he was in denial and said we were in tremendous control and that it would just go away. You’ve got a bunch of drones who follow every word that he says and are used to doubting everything the media says - everything is fake news. So when something that is indisputable occurs, they still dispute it to everyone’s detriment.

 

[Timeless]

This thread screams drama queen.

The positives of all this are people now realize the benefits of good hygiene which is sad it was not obvious....and sad parents did not enforce this with their children.

The negatives are obvious as well as a certain portion of the population will get sick and some will die...as with all sicknesses.

One not so obvious negative is the economic impact this will have for some time to come....and what hysteria will happen in the future from similar sickness.

 

[Norm Peterson]

It certainly doesn’t help that our president calls everything fake news that he doesn’t agree with

You do have to admit that he's been put on the defensive ever since he was elected, in large part simply because he was elected in a campaign that by all accounts was expected to go the other way.

Perhaps had there been less of that, and better tracking of confirmed cases early on, his responses this time might have been different.


Norm

 

[Sivi70980]

I've never known anybody to wash their hands before brushing their teeth unless they used the toilet first. Never even heard it suggested, not even by a dentist. And sneezing into your arm/elbow/hands was always a last-resort kind of thing when nothing that could serve as a handkerchief could be had in time.

I agree that in the absence of medical contra-indication, you should accept being vaccinated (religious objections . . . not gonna go there). But by the same token, blanket statements of "everybody needs to get vaccinated against everything" don't get to go unchallenged. Time was when people who were allergic to peanuts weren't taken all that seriously, either.


Norm

I brush after the morning shower and again after the before bed shower. I cough and sneeze into my elbow when needed. I usually wash my face a few times throughout the work day and of course hands more often. I also wipe down my desk and laptop daily. Just how my mom made me lol. Never served in military yet even my hotel bed is made every morning and dishes usually cleaned before I even eat the food I just cooked. Hotel maids love me lol

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