Hack
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I think we agree that different states need different treatment. Some didn't shut down at all and that was appropriate. Some need to be shut down still. What I'm saying is we need more measured and responsible actions with less extremism. MN should not be shut down right now. And possibly shut downs should be limited to metro areas. Let the less populated areas do their thing.Flattening the curve to not overwhelm hospitals was to prevent death. It's the same concept, you just take the logical conclusion of "what happens to people if hospitals are overwhelmed". They die.
You're distanced from an epicenter. In Detroit, the COVID hospitals are full. The states and locations further away from epicenters per the guidelines will be able to open sooner. The 14 day window will be easier to achieve.
Stop repeating what you heard months ago from Fox news and Trump about this being like the flu. You can't claim the numbers not being much worse than the flu, while ignoring the fact the only reason those numbers are "only that bad" is because of the shutdown orders. Without them, this would have soared past the total deaths of the flu over the last 5-10 years. If you immediately lift them, there's nothing stopping that from happening again.
We definitely didn't shut down too early. Look at how we were projecting through the beginning of this, right along a path to millions of deaths. The shutdown actions heavily stunted this growth, and through the guidelines which seem reasonable, things should be able to begin being turned back on.
Of course it is like the flu. It's a virus and so is the flu. It's stronger and kills more people than the flu (another point we agree on), but we still don't know how many more.
There will be millions of deaths, just like there are millions of deaths from the flu and other viral infections. It's just a question of how many years it takes as the population ages. Many people over 80 years old may end up with Covid as the cause of death if they do not shelter away from sick people with no symptoms. This is not going away just like the flu is not going away. And every year there will probably be multiple new versions of it (again just like the flu). Covid resides in people too long to not mutate over time.
So all the activity just delays deaths and removes people's freedoms. It definitely doesn't prevent death. I'm just tired of the people politicizing this to their advantage for whatever reason rather than taking measured and appropriate actions.
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