Vehicle CARB Certification Fiasco

[Bullitt]

Posting this to see if anyone else has ever encountered this before. Bought my 2015 Mustang EB in Ohio last month because I couldn't find what I wanted here in my home state of Pennsylvania. Got my Ohio title in the mail and went to get the car registered in PA today. Little did I know that in order to register a new car in PA with less than 7,500 miles on it, the car has to be CARB certified. Ohio cars aren't CARB certified. So essentially, the dealership should have never sold me the car. Now I'm stuck about what to do. According to my local Ford dealer in PA, they can't CARB certify a car they didn't sell. So I believe my choices are:

1. Drive back to Ohio and get the car CARB certified.
2. Dealership takes my car back and gives me one that is CARB certified (the lady at the title office says that's what happened last time someone tried to do this).
3. I stay on temporary Ohio tags till 7,500 miles. (The only holdup with this is that I financed the car and since the bank is the lienholder they want the title asap and they won't get it till the car is registered.)

Am I the first person to buy a new non-CARB car in a CARB state? I doubt it. Hoping someone on here has encountered this before or have some tips. If nothing else, let this thread be a warning to any out of state buyers to make sure the car you buy is CARB certified if your home state requires it! :frusty:

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

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[Ryudo83]

I could have sworn that the manufacturer certifies the car for CARB not the individual state. Unless for the some reason the mustang cant achieve CARB standards without some type of specialized catalytic converter. This is the weirdest situation ive ever heard of but it doesn't surprise me that it would be PENNDOT to eff this up.

 

[Bullitt]

I could have sworn that the manufacturer certifies the car for CARB not the individual state. Unless for the some reason the mustang cant achieve CARB standards without some type of specialized catalytic converter. This is the weirdest situation ive ever heard of but it doesn't surprise me that it would be PENNDOT to eff this up.

Thanks. Yeah it's bizarre. Under the hood of my car it has a sticker that says it's not CARB certified for sale in the state of California. They almost didn't check it because they (and I) both assumed it was.

 

[Pony]

The cars are CARB certifies for the states they are delivered to. I live in MD which I didn't know complies with the CARB standard. Mine is in compliance. You may need to purchase the car in PA or other CARB state. Hope it works out for you.

 

[ranchero]

Your government working to protect you.

Suggestion: look into titling and registering car in South Dakota. Don't know if your government's police departments will ignore or be intrigued by South Dakota license plates (two - one on each end) and that is for you to decide. However many South Dakota counties are freely open to titling and registration of out of state cars. Some counties, with absolutely no hassle, are easier than others. Also South Dakota sales tax on new vehicle is 3% - probably less than your government would want if they would let your title/register the car.

You will also find that South Dakota has no emissions requirement, no vehicle inspection and no insurance requirement.

Just a thought.

- ranchero -

 

[Bullitt]

Your government working to protect you.

Suggestion: look into titling and registering car in South Dakota. Don't know if your government's police departments will ignore or be intrigued by South Dakota license plates (two - one on each end) and that is for you to decide. However many South Dakota counties are freely open to titling and registration of out of state cars. Some counties, with absolutely no hassle, are easier than others. Also South Dakota sales tax on new vehicle is 3% - probably less than your government would want if they would let your title/register the car.

You will also find that South Dakota has no emissions requirement, no vehicle inspection and no insurance requirement.

Just a thought.

- ranchero -

Hmmm, that's an interesting option. I'd rather not run a front plate since PA doesn't require them, but aside from that, that may be a solution. Thanks!

 

[Barrel]

Your government working to protect you.

Suggestion: look into titling and registering car in South Dakota. Don't know if your government's police departments will ignore or be intrigued by South Dakota license plates (two - one on each end) and that is for you to decide. However many South Dakota counties are freely open to titling and registration of out of state cars. Some counties, with absolutely no hassle, are easier than others. Also South Dakota sales tax on new vehicle is 3% - probably less than your government would want if they would let your title/register the car.

You will also find that South Dakota has no emissions requirement, no vehicle inspection and no insurance requirement.

Just a thought.

- ranchero -

Absolutely fascinating.

http://dor.sd.gov/Motor_Vehicles/Non_Resident_Information/PDFs/Memo%20to%20CT%20on%20non_residence.pdf

 

[TiE2000]

Absolutely fascinating.

http://dor.sd.gov/Motor_Vehicles/Non_Resident_Information/PDFs/Memo%20to%20CT%20on%20non_residence.pdf

I just read that PDF, from what I gather is that SD does allow out of state applications for car registration.

What I couldn't put together, is that if a person needs to supply some sort of address located in SD, but also their out of state address? Or do they just need a valid US drives licences and SSN? I dunno :shrug:

 

[Barrel]

I just read that PDF, from what I gather is that SD does allow out of state applications for car registration.

What I couldn't put together, is that if a person needs to supply some sort of address located in SD, but also their out of state address? Or do they just need a valid US drives licences and SSN? I dunno :shrug:

From what I can gather, they just want the most accurate information for you that you can get. You can provide an out of state address and a copy of your out of state drivers license if you don't have a SD SSN. Crazy.

 

[stoli]

Hmmm, that's an interesting option. I'd rather not run a front plate since PA doesn't require them, but aside from that, that may be a solution. Thanks!

A PA cop would have no idea if SD required a front plate. ;)

 

[humster21]

Yep if you live in any of these states your car will come with California Emissions already on your car.

California- Adopted 2002 Model year-2005
New Jersey-Adopted 2004 Model Year 2009
Connecticut-Adopted 2004 Model Year 2008
Washington-Adopted 2005 Model Year 2009
Vermont- Adopted 2005 Model Year 2009
New York-Adopted 2005 Model Year 2009
Maine- Adopted 2005 Model Year 2009
Rhode Island-Adopted 2005 Model Year 2009
Massachusetts-Adopted 2005 Model Year 2009
Oregon-Adopted 2006 Model Year 2009
Arizona-Adopted 2006 Model Year 2011
Pennsylvania-Adopted 2006 Model Year 2008
Maryland-Adopted 2007 Model Year 2011
Florida-Adopted 2007
New Mexico-Adopted 2007 Model Year2011

 

[dcrypter]

Your government working to protect you.

Suggestion: look into titling and registering car in South Dakota. Don't know if your government's police departments will ignore or be intrigued by South Dakota license plates (two - one on each end) and that is for you to decide. However many South Dakota counties are freely open to titling and registration of out of state cars. Some counties, with absolutely no hassle, are easier than others. Also South Dakota sales tax on new vehicle is 3% - probably less than your government would want if they would let your title/register the car.

You will also find that South Dakota has no emissions requirement, no vehicle inspection and no insurance requirement.

Just a thought.

- ranchero -

Someone remind me to never drive through South Dakota.

It being one of the shitty non coastal state means there probably isn't anything to do there but drink and there is apparently no requirement for insurance or to have your vehicle safely driveable?

Fuck that.

 

[stoli]

A lot of states don't have inspections since they really do nothing for safety. As for CARB, I'm pretty sure Florida never actually adopted it.

 

[humster21]

A lot of states don't have inspections since they really do nothing for safety. As for CARB, I'm pretty sure Florida never actually adopted it.

Looks like they adopted it, but never set it in motion or never gave a starting model year.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

A lot of states don't have inspections since they really do nothing for safety. As for CARB, I'm pretty sure Florida never actually adopted it.

"Do nothing for safety"?

Here in NY at least, they test for seat belt operation; brake system (pedal travel, fade, power operation, discs, pads, master cylinder, lines and hoses, and equalization); steering and suspension; tires; lights; glass; wipers; mirrors; and emissions.

In South Dakota, a car legally can operate with a half-assed brake system. In New York, they can't. Inspections absolutely do ensure safety.

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