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I'm sure driveability with ghost cams would suck just like regular chopping cams need a bit more finesse in parking lots etc.

I haven't messed with a ghost cam, I've been told Lund has it dialed in, but who knows.

Thanks for posting that up
Yeah, I haven’t seen anything from Lund on this, but I’d have to believe they‘ve perfected it. I might ask them about it when I get my tune revisions for the IMRC lockout kit that I installed. If they can assure me that the cats will be safe, I’ll run with it.
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Why would that happen? Not a facetious question, I've never heard this.

Cams on a coyote are abput the single biggest waste of money anyone can do. 12-1500 hp coyotes, still run oe ground cams. If you lockout to get chop, your drivability suffers and so does your powerband. Part of what makes a coyote so great is, variable cam timing.

Lots of people think an ls will out pull a coyote, and thats fair. Centri blower pushing 10lbs on both ls and coyote the coyote will put out more power and drive better.
I see that aftermarket cams are not for you, but the statement in bold a bit vague. There are plenty of reasons to run aftermarket cams and gains to be had from various angles. Because 12-1500hp could be made on stock cams does not superceed any advantages they may have.
 

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I see that aftermarket cams are not for you, but the statement in bold a bit vague. There are plenty of reasons to run aftermarket cams and gains to be had from various angles. Because 12-1500hp could be made on stock cams does not superceed any advantages they may have.
The advantage vs cost would be????????
 

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I've been running a ghostcam tune from Shrader for 1/2 a year. I've had no issues, and it drives like normal. I've seen other tunes chop a lot harder, but I've been told they are a little jumpy when trying to take off from a stop. The one I have from Shrader has no issues. (93 tune or e85)

However the car is a manual, so if your car is an auto it may be different.

 

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I've been running a ghostcam tune from Shrader for 1/2 a year. I've had no issues, and it drives like normal. I've seen other tunes chop a lot harder, but I've been told they are a little jumpy when trying to take off from a stop. The one I have from Shrader has no issues. (93 tune or e85)

However the car is a manual, so if your car is an auto it may be different.

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The advantage vs cost would be????????
I'm sure you are familiar with the advantages of more lift, duration and cam timing in 12-1500hp boosted applications, so why ask me to type that out for you? And if you're not familiar, you're uninformed. You have determined the cam performance/cost ratio is outside of your requirement. While it's an opinion I can respect, it's far from a guidline to others with different requirements.
 

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I'm sure you are familiar with the advantages of more lift, duration and cam timing in 12-1500hp boosted applications, so why ask me to type that out for you? And if you're not familiar, you're uninformed. You have determined the cam performance/cost ratio is outside of your requirement. While it's an opinion I can respect, it's far from a guidline to others with different requirements.
My point is a NA coyote AT BEST is maybe into the 550whp regardless of fueling etc. Cost vs output just insnt there. On an LS i can see it, maybe a dodge. WIth variable cam timing and tuning capabilities I just dont see how a custom ground cam you'll end up having to lock out, is going to do much of anything worthwhile vs boost.

lets say centri for around 6-7k all in plus install time= 700 streetable whp with a tune
cams+headers+intake mani+plus tune $6k ish= 550-575 whp and not so streetable



With a car that already spins 7500-8k rpms, im not sure what cams could do as far as usable street power. All out on the track, ok I guess, but just seems like an unnecessary cost and added reliability issue.


Everyone is entitle to do as they please and have fun with it, but i stand by the Ghost tune for chop, boost for power, thats it.
 

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For me could be spending 2k versus 15k. Maxing out my centri, suppose I want to catch Nick in his procharger (won't happen); stock cams best case 1200-1300 hp. Under 1k boosted cars are picking up close to 100hp, maybe more at 25psi on a max effort. I can narrow the gap with cams or start over and put a turbo on. I agree with 80FoxCoupe, it is a blanket statement. It is all cumulative and all a tradeoff. A FBO NA isn't much more than a basic paxton kit, I'd call that a waist on money, cost/hp; then the turbo guys could call the centri guys a waste of money (yes I have turbo envy).
 

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Cams on a coyote are abput the single biggest waste of money anyone can do. 12-1500 hp coyotes, still run oe ground cams. If you lockout to get chop, your drivability suffers and so does your powerband. Part of what makes a coyote so great is, variable cam timing.
In a boosted application that's true.

If you're going max effort N/A, cams even on a Coyote are a vital piece of the puzzle. The top power makers in this category are not doing it with OE cams.

I do agree that VCT is extremely important for all but 0.1% of cars, so an aftermarket grind that still utilizes VCT is key.
 

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In a boosted application that's true.

If you're going max effort N/A, cams even on a Coyote are a vital piece of the puzzle. The top power makers in this category are not doing it with OE cams.

I do agree that VCT is extremely important for all but 0.1% of cars, so an aftermarket grind that still utilizes VCT is key.
In boosted applications, cams are a waste of money? For you maybe, for others that statement is not true.
 

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For me could be spending 2k versus 15k. Maxing out my centri, suppose I want to catch Nick in his procharger (won't happen); stock cams best case 1200-1300 hp. Under 1k boosted cars are picking up close to 100hp, maybe more at 25psi on a max effort. I can narrow the gap with cams or start over and put a turbo on. I agree with 80FoxCoupe, it is a blanket statement. It is all cumulative and all a tradeoff. A FBO NA isn't much more than a basic paxton kit, I'd call that a waist on money, cost/hp; then the turbo guys could call the centri guys a waste of money (yes I have turbo envy).
Ive yet to see a street driven (which the op appears to be) coyote sporting badass cams making serious power. Ess kit spun at 7500 is a 650 whp car on 93 with a 125mm wheel.

I have no turbo envy for a car you want to drive on the street, cost vs labor not for this kid. I agree on the track a turbo is a badass rig. Most of the kits are pricey and not an easy proposition to get setup right.


Obviously all my opinion, but if streetability and natural daily driven car with everything working correctly, centri is the ticket.
 

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Obviously all my opinion, but if streetability and natural daily driven car with everything working correctly, centri is the ticket.
Agree, which is why i went with the vortech. Just shy of 1k right now, stock cams, 10r80, very streetable, should be able to get into the 8s with it and it is very "streetable". But every step along the way it has become a little less than it was before. Getting ready to jump off th cliff with it. Cams might not be for you, but I see numerous people who say boost isn't for them; doesn't make my centri car and less streetable or cost/hp change by thier opinion. Cams shouldn't be first, but the shouldn't be discounted as much as the are; they do benefit the setup.
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