Toyota truck frames

[wildcatgoal]

Frankly it's a amazing that Toyota - despite the lawsuit - is going to replace the frames.

I would not anticipate the same from Ford, Chevy, or Dodge. They'd just pay a fine and maybe give the owners a discount on their next [car brand] purchase.

Knowing a Toyota Service Advisor, Toyota has approved replacements of engines that never had an oil change in 30K - clear owner neglect. But they don't want their reputation of reliability to be harmed. With my Ford Fiesta, the transmission clearly had a mind of it's own and it took a gray hair inducing fight to get it replaced... and it was a bad design (clutch material and programming) - not my fault. If Toyota made something I liked, I'd have one.

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[WhiteyDog]

Pisses me off that we allow Japan the right to sell cars here but we can't sell ours in Japan.

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[mustang_guy]

http://autoweek.com/article/recalls/toyota-frame-settlement-could-cost-company-34-billion

This is not the 1st frame recall in the early 90's Toyota bought back a lot of trucks because of rusting out frames this time there putting frames under them in hopes of keeping costs down. If the current recall was the 1st time this had happen you could say dumb luck but it looks like they didn't learn form the experience.

Like ford hasnt had repeat problems? Ive been a toyota and ford master tech. You have zero room to cast any stones. I assure you. Ford definitely has had repeat problems

 

[mustang_guy]

Two words. RUST BELT.
Trying living in a rust belt state and see how nice a vehicles looks after a few years old that's daily driven. I know, I'm a mechanic and I have to deal with it on a daily basis. A wheel bearing hub in a Texas truck might come right out without any problems, in Michigan guess again.

I lived in stl mo for the majority of my life and had zero issues. They salt the roads retarded heavy. Im sure it is worse up by you but i also live by the ocean and salt water spray is especially hard on vehicles too. Still zero issues.

 

[mustang_guy]

I refuse to buy any import vehicle and anyone who says or thinks they are built better is blind. And don't tell me they are all made in the USA. THEY MIGHT BE assembled here but the profits go right back to Asia. Pisses me off that we allow Japan the right to sell cars here but we can't sell ours in Japan.

We do sell some of our american made vehicles there if i recall correctly. Buick is a fine example im fairly confident

Some of the japan built vehicles are built better unfortunately. Im far from blind my friend. Always typically agree with you but ill have to disagree here.

 

[Bubbachunks]

Believe it or not the F150 is what considers midsize. I know what you'll say but it's true.

Isn't that because Ford made a short-sighted decision not to put any money into a new Ranger? So they convinced themselves that people don't want compact or mid sized trucks. What they really want is a full sized F150.
So now GM is selling all the massively over-priced Colorados and Canyons they can make. And Toyota keeps a high sales volume in the Tacoma despite the thing being a 1000 year old design.
And now Ford is (supposedly) bringing back the Ranger. I'll bet someone with an MBA made that decision.

 

[CB]

I have seen pallets with four frames on each one sitting behind the Toyota dealers service garage. Massie Toyota. Never saw that at a Ford, Dodge or Chevy shop.

 

[dron_jones]

^^ THIS ^^ addle:

Sorry guys but this is just not true. In fact the fastest growing car brand in Japan right now is VW and i believe it is followed by Mercedes. The truth is its actually easier to import a foreign car into Japan than it is in the US (the US is actually one of the most difficult in the world). Japan favors a right hand drive which we all know isn't the strong suit of american auto manufacturers, how many years did we have to wait for a RH drive mustang? At the end of the day the pull just isn't there from the market, there is a lot of speculation as to why (perceived quality, history, available infrastructure for servicing) but at the end of the day if someone wants an American car their government isn't stopping them from getting one.

The mentality that you shouldn't buy a car that you can't sell in their country would result in the stop sale of american cars in china which has both ford and buick in the top 8 brands sold in that country, but we do not have any of their cars for sale in the US.

 

[WhiteyDog]

Sorry guys but this is just not true. In fact the fastest growing car brand in Japan right now is VW and i believe it is followed by Mercedes. The truth is its actually easier to import a foreign car into Japan than it is in the US (the US is actually one of the most difficult in the world). Japan favors a right hand drive which we all know isn't the strong suit of american auto manufacturers, how many years did we have to wait for a RH drive mustang? At the end of the day the pull just isn't there from the market, there is a lot of speculation as to why (perceived quality, history, available infrastructure for servicing) but at the end of the day if someone wants an American car their government isn't stopping them from getting one.

The mentality that you shouldn't buy a car that you can't sell in their country would result in the stop sale of american cars in china which has both ford and buick in the top 8 brands sold in that country, but we do not have any of their cars for sale in the US.

Hmm, . . . . interesting info. You may have a point, there.

 

[EcoVert]

Sorry guys but this is just not true. In fact the fastest growing car brand in Japan right now is VW and i believe it is followed by Mercedes. The truth is its actually easier to import a foreign car into Japan than it is in the US (the US is actually one of the most difficult in the world). Japan favors a right hand drive which we all know isn't the strong suit of american auto manufacturers, how many years did we have to wait for a RH drive mustang? At the end of the day the pull just isn't there from the market, there is a lot of speculation as to why (perceived quality, history, available infrastructure for servicing) but at the end of the day if someone wants an American car their government isn't stopping them from getting one.

The mentality that you shouldn't buy a car that you can't sell in their country would result in the stop sale of american cars in china which has both ford and buick in the top 8 brands sold in that country, but we do not have any of their cars for sale in the US.

I'm afraid we do have a Chinese car for sale in the US its called the Buick envision.

 

[dron_jones]

I'm afraid we do have a Chinese car for sale in the US its called the Buick Enclave

Not sure what you mean by this but the enclave is made in Lansing Michigan.

 

[kz]

Not sure what you mean by this but the enclave is made in Lansing Michigan.

I think he meant Buick Envision - which was first sold on Chinese market and I believe is made there.

Also Regal is rebadged Opel Insignia. Remember my dad in law neighbor's disappointment when he found out his brand new American car has been made in Germany ;)

 

[68fbjjz109]

Some of the japan built vehicles are built better unfortunately.

They aren't built better. They just never change anything. They don't innovate, and the Prius is far from technical marvel. The high and mighty 422RE has so many major engine architecture issues it's not funny. Toyota has great PR people, and they as a company actively work to reinforce an appearance in spite faults. That is a very Japanese thing. The exact opposite of Toyota from an innovation standpoint is Mercedes. Heck they have manual panel fit stations because there build quality of the line doesn't meet internal specifications.

Toyota's appearance is enabled by the fact they don't change or innovate. What this does enable however, is the ability thoroughly work out issues with vehicles. Hash out build variation problems, and implement lasting fixes to things because so few of their platforms change. That defaults to "quality". And is a good thing.

Toyota is know for many things in the auto industry from an development and production standpoint. A running joke a work is Ford is more Toyota like than Toyota. This is true on every platform but the Mustang. The commonality of the underpinnings between a Taurus, Flex, and Explorer are uncanny, common exhaust isolators through out. A edge is just a top hatted fusion, with steering shaft components, and a new instrument panel structure. Again this commonality can enable quality.

Look at the commonization of the Superduty, and F150 with cabs, there are Expeditions running around with F150 front clips for camera's sake, but that tells you alot about how similar mounting provisions are.

While the GT350 and Raptor have "unique" front ends. They still assembly at the plant the same way. When people where talkoing about lower headlights, I knoew that wasn't the case. That is so very unFord like.

The differences is Ford takes chances on a much wider scale. Look at SPE Awards. What Ford really needs to do is cull dealers. BMW and Mercedes and even VW have much different dealer experiences. And by god are their vehicles anything but maintenance free.

Toyota doesn't build a bad vehicle though, It will be interesting to see how things go with the Mira. I have seen two up close, and I am curious to see how things pan out with it.

 

[mustang_guy]

They aren't built better. They just never change anything. They don't innovate, and the Prius is far from technical marvel. The high and mighty 422RE has so many major engine architecture issues it's not funny. Toyota has great PR people, and they as a company actively work to reinforce an appearance in spite faults. That is a very Japanese thing. The exact opposite of Toyota from an innovation standpoint is Mercedes. Heck they have manual panel fit stations because there build quality of the line doesn't meet internal specifications.

Toyota's appearance is enabled by the fact they don't change or innovate. What this does enable however, is the ability thoroughly work out issues with vehicles. Hash out build variation problems, and implement lasting fixes to things because so few of their platforms change. That defaults to "quality". And is a good thing.

Toyota is know for many things in the auto industry from an development and production standpoint. A running joke a work is Ford is more Toyota like than Toyota. This is true on every platform but the Mustang. The commonality of the underpinnings between a Taurus, Flex, and Explorer are uncanny, common exhaust isolators through out. A edge is just a top hatted fusion, with steering shaft components, and a new instrument panel structure. Again this commonality can enable quality.

Look at the commonization of the Superduty, and F150 with cabs, there are Expeditions running around with F150 front clips for camera's sake, but that tells you alot about how similar mounting provisions are.

While the GT350 and Raptor have "unique" front ends. They still assembly at the plant the same way. When people where talkoing about lower headlights, I knoew that wasn't the case. That is so very unFord like.

The differences is Ford takes chances on a much wider scale. Look at SPE Awards. What Ford really needs to do is cull dealers. BMW and Mercedes and even VW have much different dealer experiences. And by god are their vehicles anything but maintenance free.

Toyota doesn't build a bad vehicle though, It will be interesting to see how things go with the Mira. I have seen two up close, and I am curious to see how things pan out with it.

SOME of the japenese vehicles have been built better then domestics for decades.
Maybe your idea of built better and mine differ. Built better to me is relability. Bringing up a 4 cylinder thats long dead and older than half our users, used in 3 vehicles hardly proves your point. Like ford or anyone else hasnt had a problematic engine design. Hardly a reason to cast stones.

Im aware how shitty european cars are. Currently been a bmw master tech for almost 4 years. European cars are the pinnacle of unreliability.

 

[ForTehNguyen]

good luck trying to sell an F150 in japan or having it fit on the streets

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