Thoughts on the new Odin TVS blower making less then Whipple TQ?

[Platinum_5.0]

Seeing the latest Odin blower results of 750whp and 555TQ, I'm wondering what's everyone's thoughts on what happened to the TVS TQ that everyone is always talking about? A Whipple Gen 3 blower makes almost the same TQ on straight pump gas alone at 709 then the Odin at 750whp and using boostane. So what gives?

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[Burkey]

Seeing the latest Odin blower results of 750whp and 555TQ, I'm wondering what's everyone's thoughts on what happened to the TVS TQ that everyone is always talking about? A Whipple Gen 3 blower makes almost the same TQ on straight pump gas alone at 709 then the Odin at 750whp and using boostane. So what gives?

Can you post the dyno sheet so that we can see what we’re looking at?
Here’s VMP’s own results using a 3.00” upper and some Boostane, but, they’re using a smaller TB.
For those that can’t be bothered watching, 805/595 SAE 0 smoothing, 796/590 STD smoothing 5.


Or, are you referring to this pull here, where the torque curve quite obviously takes a dive right around the point where a TVS typically does it’s best work?

 

[SolarFlare]

I personally don’t care very much about what a dyno says or what tOrKz the car makes. Race both cars at a track with a tire both on same gas and similar peak boost and see which one works best.

 

[WhiteyDog]

I personally don’t care very much about what a dyno says or what tOrKz the car makes. Race both cars at a track with a tire both on same gas and similar peak boost and see which one works best.

Yeah kinda thinking the same thing.

 

[Stymee]

I personally don’t care very much about what a dyno says or what tOrKz the car makes. Race both cars at a track with a tire both on same gas and similar peak boost and see which one works best.

As long as both cars r setup the same, using one driver at the same track on the same day then Solarflare is right.

This is the only way to do this test

 

[Platinum_5.0]

Or, are you referring to this pull here, where the torque curve quite obviously takes a dive right around the point where a TVS typically does it’s best work?

[/QUOTE]
Yes that's the results I'm referring too. Very low TQ for a TVS car. Just curious to why that may be? Something in the blower design?

 

[Platinum_5.0]

I personally don’t care very much about what a dyno says or what tOrKz the car makes. Race both cars at a track with a tire both on same gas and similar peak boost and see which one works best.

Yes I totally agree with that and I always say the same thing but then the TVS guys will always come back with dyno numbers about how the TVS makes way more TQ down low. I believe the TVS is a great blower and the GEN 3R is a great product but I'm just curious as to why this new Odin is very low on TQ? Basically on straight pump it makes 702whp. That's 48whp less without boostane. If it's only making 555TQ at 750 then what's the TQ at 702? 530? 520?

 

[SolarFlare]

Yes I totally agree with that and I always say the same thing but then the TVS guys will always come back with dyno numbers about how the TVS makes way more TQ down low. I believe the TVS is a great blower and the GEN 3R is a great product but I'm just curious as to why this new Odin is very low on TQ? Basically on straight pump it makes 702whp. That's 48whp less without boostane. If it's only making 555TQ at 750 then what's the TQ at 702? 530? 520?

That seems to be the trend with modern PD blowers. As they seek to attain more efficiency and flow then seem to trade off lower end power to higher end power.

Only dyno test I can get behind is both there same day, back to back dyno pulls. I’m sure someone has done it I just don’t recall who

 

[Roh92cp]

Can you post the dyno sheet so that we can see what we’re looking at?
Here’s VMP’s own results using a 3.00” upper and some Boostane, but, they’re using a smaller TB.
For those that can’t be bothered watching, 805/595 SAE 0 smoothing, 796/590 STD smoothing 5.


Or, are you referring to this pull here, where the torque curve quite obviously takes a dive right around the point where a TVS typically does it’s best work?

They don’t seem to mention in the video that this pull was made without intake pipe, filter or airbox attached. You can see the mono blade throttle body here at 49 seconds into the video.

 

[Platinum_5.0]

They don’t seem to mention in the video that this pull was made without intake pipe, filter or airbox attached. You can see the mono blade throttle body here at 49 seconds into the video.

Wow...good catch. That's pretty odd

 

[Burkey]

They don’t seem to mention in the video that this pull was made without intake pipe, filter or airbox attached. You can see the mono blade throttle body here at 49 seconds into the video.

Good pickup. My question now is where the hell is the MAF sensor located?

 

[SolarFlare]

They probably tuned it via speed density

 

[Burkey]

As long as both cars r setup the same, using one driver at the same track on the same day then Solarflare is right.

This is the only way to do this test

The track will show which car has the most Hp (all else being equal).
It won’t show which car has the most torque, which means it won’t show you which car will throw you back in your seat the hardest.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again but with a better explanation this time.

Car A makes 600tq at 3000rpm (343hp) Torque drops off to 500 by 7000rpm (666hp)
Car B makes peak torque of 500 at 8k (761hp)

Car B is pushing 100 hp more than Car A and will clearly win the race but car B pushes you into your seat 20% harder at 3000 rpm than car A does at any point in it’s rpm range.

Torque is what makes your passenger shit their pants as their body tries to end up in the back seat, Hp is what gets you across the line sooner.

Acceleration = Force x mass. Hp is NOT a force. Torque is the force. Hp is what you arrive at when you apply torque over a time period.

 

[Burkey]

They probably tuned it via speed density

I wonder if this would help explain why the results from this particular car aren’t consistent with other results...

 

[Stymee]

The track will show which car has the most Hp (all else being equal).
It won’t show which car has the most torque, which means it won’t show you which car will throw you back in your seat the hardest.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again but with a better explanation this time.

Car A makes 600tq at 3000rpm (343hp) Torque drops off to 500 by 7000rpm (666hp)
Car B makes peak torque of 500 at 8k (761hp)

Car B is pushing 100 hp more than Car A and will clearly win the race but car B pushes you into your seat 20% harder at 3000 rpm than car A does at any point in it’s rpm range.

Torque is what makes your passenger shit their pants as their body tries to end up in the back seat, Hp is what gets you across the line sooner.

Acceleration = Force x mass. Hp is NOT a force. Torque is the force. Hp is what you arrive at when you apply torque over a time period.

Maybe there’s some truth to your post but in the end, the car that wins is where the people gather around?

But me personally I love torque

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