The Down and Dirty ADM Thread

[Minn19]

I don't think dealers are evil. From my experience, very few are good enough that I'd even trust them to accomplish a simple oil change without over-torquing the drain plug, over-filling the crankcase, using the wrong oil, or cross-threading the oil filter. Not evil, but FAR from excellent. Look at the early misassembly of the front splitters.

For me, a $60k car is a bit of a stretch. However, the GT350 is the Mustang I've always wanted Ford to build. So, I'm willing to make the stretch up to MSRP. It's *frustrating* that I can't find a dealer to "hurry up and take my money" at that price.

I get that it's a limited model.

I hear yah, but you are talking about quite a few different issues.

I want a Porsche Turbo S or a GT3. Guess what, I drive a Mustang. ;)

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[Minn19]

That may be the case but I have read Ford has tried to dissuade excessive ADMs and dealers sitting on cars by awarding more allocations and Rs to people who sell more cars. I dont know how true that is.

5000 in 2016 is not a rare car by any means.

I said a bit rare. It is still a limited run production model. Especially the R's.

 

[firestarter2]

I said a bit rare. It is still a limited run production model. Especially the R's.

The R is rare and I would pay ADM for one but ADM puts it out of my price range. But that is 500 produced versus 4500

 

[hacktracker]

That may be the case but I have read Ford has tried to dissuade excessive ADMs and dealers sitting on cars by awarding more allocations and Rs to people who sell more cars. I dont know how true that is.

5000 in 2016 is not a rare car by any means.

I like the way Dodge allocated additional Hellcats. It was based on how quickly dealers sold their cars. Sell them quick, get more allocation. Wait around for someone to pay a high ADM, "no [additional] soup for you".

 

[Spa2k]

Ford couldn't care less about who ultimately buys the car, because Ford's customer is its dealers. Ford is happy, because the GT 350/R is a sellout and it's been paid.

Whatever happens between the dealer and its end customer is none of Ford's business - the federal government says so. And buyers set the price, not the dealers. If overanxious buyers with too much money would quit paying ADM, there would be no ADM.

And everyone who's complaining about a dealer just sitting on a GT 350 in his/her showroom with no real effort to sell it should just quit whining. That GT 350 may be collecting dust, but it's bringing a lot of customers into the showroom who end up buying Mustangs, Fusions and Focuses.

I don't love the system, either, but I've made it work for me.

 

[firestarter2]

Ford couldn't care less about who ultimately buys the car, because Ford's customer is its dealers. Ford is happy, because the GT 350/R is a sellout and it's been paid.

Whatever happens between the dealer and its end customer is none of Ford's business - the federal government says so. And buyers set the price, not the dealers. If overanxious buyers with too much money would quit paying ADM, there would be no ADM.

And everyone who's complaining about a dealer just sitting on a GT 350 in his/her showroom with no real effort to sell it should just quit whining. That GT 350 may be collecting dust, but it's bringing a lot of customers into the showroom who end up buying Mustangs, Fusions and Focuses.

I don't love the system, either, but I've made it work for me.

.... why wouldn't ford care who buys their cars? Believe me a shitty dealer experience will effect a brand. My local Chevy dealer is SOOOOO bad id never buy another Chevy again.

Short sited thinking historically has been the bane of US car makers.

Whos cross shopping a GT350 and a base focus??? So you have a halo car that I come into a dealer to see and get insulted and pissed of by when they quote me 20k over sticker on a used one.

I can tell you ive seen LOTs of people on this forum and who do not normally by fords and it would be beneficial to get EVERYONE of them into a GT350.

Case and Point you know what other car I would consider normally? A focus RS. Do you know what car I have NOT MADE ONE inquiry on after this ADM BS a focus RS.

 

[Minn19]

.... why wouldn't ford care who buys their cars? Believe me a shitty dealer experience will effect a brand. My local Chevy dealer is SOOOOO bad id never buy another Chevy again.

Short sited thinking historically has been the bane of US car makers.

Whos cross shopping a GT350 and a base focus??? So you have a halo car that I come into a dealer to see and get insulted and pissed of by when they quote me 20k over sticker on a used one.

I can tell you ive seen LOTs of people on this forum and who do not normally by fords and it would be beneficial to get EVERYONE of them into a GT350.

Case and Point you know what other car I would consider normally? A focus RS. Do you know what car I have NOT MADE ONE inquiry on after this ADM BS a focus RS.

Seriously, how many different Chevy dealers are there? If you really wanted another Chevy you'd go to a different one. You probably don't want another Chevy anymore because you've been driving one.

Ford and Chevy didn't get in financial trouble because of bad dealers. They both almost went out of business because of poor decisions and they were building shitty cars. They are finally building decent stuff that has attracted people again. Has nothing to do with the dealerships for the most part. If that were the case, trust me, I would've stayed with BMW.

No offense, but Ford will be fine if you and other disgruntled people can't get a GT350 at MSRP or an RS for that matter. Their bread and butter is F150s, Explorers, Fusions and Focus.

Besides, good luck getting an RS. I think those are harder to get your hands on right now than a GT350.

 

[firestarter2]

Seriously, how many different Chevy dealers are there? If you really wanted another Chevy you'd go to a different one. You probably don't want another Chevy anymore because you've been driving one.

Ford and Chevy didn't get in financial trouble because of bad dealers. They both almost went out of business because of poor decisions and they were building shitty cars. They are finally building decent stuff that has attracted people again. Has nothing to do with the dealerships for the most part. If that were the case, trust me, I would've stayed with BMW.

No offense, but Ford will be fine if you and other disgruntled people can't get a GT350 at MSRP or an RS for that matter. Their bread and butter is F150s, Explorers, Fusions and Focus.

Besides, good luck getting an RS. I think those are harder to get your hands on right now than a GT350.

Where I live that doesnt involve a bridge and toll it is. Believe what you will any car I buy I need to get serviced and warranty work done .

No shit they will be fine I didn't think id bankrupt then by not purchasing

Having a shitty car is more tolerable with a good dealer for service. At least for me

 

[Minn19]

Where I live that doesnt involve a bridge and toll it is. Believe what you will any car I buy I need to get serviced and warranty work done .

No shit they will be fine I didn't think id bankrupt then by not purchasing

Having a shitty car is more tolerable with a good dealer for service. At least for me

This is making less and less sense. A good sales experience does not necessarily equal a good service experience or vice versa. The sales and service staff are definitely two separate entities.

I guess it comes down to how bad you want the car. If you want it bad enough, you'll figure out a way to make it all work. ADM, service and sales be damned. You're going to be spending the majority of the time in the car. That is what counts the most.

Speaking of which, I think I'll go for a drive. :cheers:

 

[firestarter2]

This is making less and less sense. A good sales experience does not necessarily equal a good service experience or vice versa. The sales and service staff are definitely two separate entities.

I guess it comes down to how bad you want the car. If you want it bad enough, you'll figure out a way to make it all work. ADM, service and sales be damned. You're going to be spending the majority of the time in the car. That is what counts the most.

Speaking of which, I think I'll go for a drive. :cheers:

Yeah we will see. The point was a bad dealer experience service or sales can effect a brand. My trailblazer ss sale was great short and sweet. My local dealer service means is never consider a vette.

 

[keith58]

What bothers me is when people call it capitalism at it's finest. It's not. The dealers have laws protecting their lock on the sales market and Ford can't sell direct. In true capitalism, I'd order from the factory or Amazon and have white glove delivery to my home.

 

[Minn19]

What bothers me is when people call it capitalism at it's finest. It's not. The dealers have laws protecting their lock on the sales market and Ford can't sell direct. In true capitalism, I'd order from the factory or Amazon and have white glove delivery to my home.

You have a good point. But, it is still supply/demand and as somebody else said, it's the consumer that is driving the market for pricing. Who's to say Ford themselves wouldn't do the same thing if they had direct control? Probably not, but this all hypothetical.

I do agree though, I'm rooting for Tesla to change the system. It would be nice to do it the way you describe.

 

[GT P-TREE]

What bothers me is when people call it capitalism at it's finest. It's not. The dealers have laws protecting their lock on the sales market and Ford can't sell direct. In true capitalism, I'd order from the factory or Amazon and have white glove delivery to my home.

I've made this point many times before.

 

[jwhite]

The only part of buying direct from Ford that wouldn't work, You really think Ford is going to sell you your next F150 at or below invoice,,, ext. It would be sticker all day long for it. The system is fine, it's just a few special models here and there this affects. It's just how bad you want it.

 

[honeybadger]

The only part of buying direct from Ford that wouldn't work, You really think Ford is going to sell you your next F150 at or below invoice,,, ext. It would be sticker all day long for it. The system is fine, it's just a few special models here and there this affects. It's just how bad you want it.

Seems like kind of a moot point, tho. If they were selling direct, the entire pricing model would change. Could end up with the same as MSRP or could be lower like invoice.

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