The Down and Dirty ADM Thread

[5.Oh Crush]

I doubt anyone likes ADM but I found a car I wanted in stock and wanted to stop spending time looking. My time is valuable to me. I paid the ADM and have been enjoying my car for almost 2 months. Many others are still waiting to find those MSRP deals that are out there. As the weather turns colder I'm happy I get to enjoy my car now even though I paid ADM.

That's one way to look at it. You can enjoy it for 2-3 months. But, there is only about 2 months left. Then in the garage and covered for winter.
Prices will go down and ADMs will decrease in winter to move inventory. But, there are some who won't buy to just put her in the garage.

Also, maybe its practical to wait until Feb/Mar to buy one right before spring.

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[jwhite]

I have to be honest, I agree with you but to give credit where its due, they are not all the same. I am not exaggarating, probably 5% do treat you properly.

Unfortunately people are fools and they do pay ADM. Thats just how it is. In this board alone we have 10-15 R owners who got their cars early last year. At a minimum they paid $20-25k over, some at least $40k. You go and ask 100 people and 99 of them will call you crazy for paying ADM that is as much as a brand new car! I mean who does that? Unfortunately people do that.

It all has to do with western mentality. "I want what I want when I want". Or "I cant deal with the hassle of calling people or negotiating" or "life is too short".

I will never understand the ADM business and this is probably why even at 10k ADM, I cannot bring myself to buy an R.

And I have no problem paying more for quality product but that money is not going to the company who built and engineered the car! I mean how stupid and unfair is that some dealer sitting on his ass pocketing huge profit and they havent even lifted their finger throughout the entire production process.

99 out of a 100 is a little much, considering probly %90 of the people on this Fourm paid an ADM for their 350, R or non R.
You guys need to quit hating dealers so much, they're not a non-profit organization here to serve the general public.
People are not fools, some of us just have more money than time, and really don't need to sit and call and or email or negotiate with dealers for weeks on end. Again sorry, I helped the dreaded ADM machine going, and haven't lost a wink of sleep over it.
As an edit, I just sold my supercharged 15 GT/PP to free up garage space to probly pay another ADM for the New Raptor.

 

[MCarsFan]

99 out of a 100 is a little much, considering probly %90 of the people on this Fourm paid an ADM for their 350, R or non R.
You guys need to quit hating dealers so much, they're not a non-profit organization here to serve the general public.
People are not fools, some of us just have more money than time, and really don't need to sit and call and or email or negotiate with dealers for weeks on end. Again sorry, I helped the dreaded ADM machine going, and haven't lost a wink of sleep over it.

I know you have more money than time.

I also have more money than time. Heck I could buy 3 of these cars cash tomorrow and go for round 2.

Its not all about affordibility. Its about wastefulness.

I will never pay a landscaper for any yard work. I have a sizeable property (0.7 acre), and I cut my grass, collect my leaves, and do all my yardwork myself.

And I do work till 8-9pm certain days, so I dont have an easy job. But I feel so bad for paying $200-300/month for people to do my yardwork that I'd rather cut my own grass at night than to do that.

Again, its all about mentality. I'm pretty well financially, so this angle of "my time is more important and I do this because I can afford" doesnt really apply in my case. It may apply to others here for whom $1000 over sticker is a deal breaker.

Maybe I am too greedy? Maybe I worked so hard all my life and came from nothing that I feel so uneasy paying for these "comforts".

Oh and your argument of everyone has to eat is all BS. When you look at the entire cycle of a car being born at a designer's desk to its time until someone takes the keys and signs the papers, dealers do the LEAST amount of work yet get paid the most amount of money. What value does this dealer add? Really? Comparatively speaking with respect to the rest of the chain of people contributing to this car's life cycle. I would like to know.

 

[jwhite]

I also refuse to pay for yard work, you'll cringe though to know, of my 40 acres ,I mow 12 of them, lol. I got the equivalent of the gt350 of mowers also!! Lol

 

[crs2879]

Feeling sorry for any car dealer is a waste of decency. ADM deals are just gravy. They don't make squat selling new cars (the best salesmen get to work the used lot for a reason). The F&I office and service bays are where the average dealership makes far more profit than in new car sales. I've had a dealer tell me the worst customer he gets is a cash buyer......maybe he'll get a few hundred on the sale but not much more. Why do you think car dealers are so eager to "help" people with bad credit? Altruism is NOT the answer........

 

[dron_jones]

I know you have more money than time.

I also have more money than time. Heck I could buy 3 of these cars cash tomorrow and go for round 2.

Its not all about affordibility. Its about wastefulness.

I will never pay a landscaper for any yard work. I have a sizeable property (0.7 acre), and I cut my grass, collect my leaves, and do all my yardwork myself.

And I do work till 8-9pm certain days, so I dont have an easy job. But I feel so bad for paying $200-300/month for people to do my yardwork that I'd rather cut my own grass at night than to do that.

Again, its all about mentality. I'm pretty well financially, so this angle of "my time is more important and I do this because I can afford" doesnt really apply in my case. It may apply to others here for whom $1000 over sticker is a deal breaker.

Maybe I am too greedy? Maybe I worked so hard all my life and came from nothing that I feel so uneasy paying for these "comforts".

Oh and your argument of everyone has to eat is all BS. When you look at the entire cycle of a car being born at a designer's desk to its time until someone takes the keys and signs the papers, dealers do the LEAST amount of work yet get paid the most amount of money. What value does this dealer add? Really? Comparatively speaking with respect to the rest of the chain of people contributing to this car's life cycle. I would like to know.

You really do love the sound of your own voice don't you? Do you actually believe all the horse shit you talk about? How many times do you have to say something before you believe what you are saying too?

You are the idiot who came on these boards telling everyone how stupid they were for paying ADM's and how in a couple months time you would be getting the car for under msrp. Fast forward a couple of months, you decide to pull the trigger on a car and put down a deposit for a regular gt350 for 1K ADM, magically somehow that becomes no ADM after people call you out on it, then you magically find not 1, but 2 R cars at 10K adm, and magically again you are getting them down to 5K ADM but still haven't actually pull the trigger. But somehow you are back on here again, to tell everyone how stupid they are for paying dealer ADM's when you yourself are going to pay them. No one gives a shit if you cut your own lawn or you pay someone to do it, no one gives a shit what you do for a living, if you are looking for validation and praise for being some kind of automotive shopping savant you are looking for it in the wrong place.

 

[5.0 435]

Feeling sorry for any car dealer is a waste of decency. ADM deals are just gravy. They don't make squat selling new cars (the best salesmen get to work the used lot for a reason). The F&I office and service bays are where the average dealership makes far more profit than in new car sales. I've had a dealer tell me the worst customer he gets is a cash buyer......maybe he'll get a few hundred on the sale but not much more. Why do you think car dealers are so eager to "help" people with bad credit? Altruism is NOT the answer........

The 350 @ MSRP will have a $3000 to $4000 mark up for the dealer. :cheers:

 

[crs2879]

The 350 @ MSRP will have a $3000 to $4000 mark up for the dealer. :cheers:

If Edmunds.com is correct, it's closer to $5K.......:frusty:

 

[krt22]

I know you have more money than time.

I also have more money than time. Heck I could buy 3 of these cars cash tomorrow and go for round 2.

Its not all about affordibility. Its about wastefulness.

I will never pay a landscaper for any yard work. I have a sizeable property (0.7 acre), and I cut my grass, collect my leaves, and do all my yardwork myself.

And I do work till 8-9pm certain days, so I dont have an easy job. But I feel so bad for paying $200-300/month for people to do my yardwork that I'd rather cut my own grass at night than to do that.

Again, its all about mentality. I'm pretty well financially, so this angle of "my time is more important and I do this because I can afford" doesnt really apply in my case. It may apply to others here for whom $1000 over sticker is a deal breaker.

Maybe I am too greedy? Maybe I worked so hard all my life and came from nothing that I feel so uneasy paying for these "comforts".

Oh and your argument of everyone has to eat is all BS. When you look at the entire cycle of a car being born at a designer's desk to its time until someone takes the keys and signs the papers, dealers do the LEAST amount of work yet get paid the most amount of money. What value does this dealer add? Really? Comparatively speaking with respect to the rest of the chain of people contributing to this car's life cycle. I would like to know.

For someone so wealthy and successful, I would think you would know a thing or two about opportunity cost.

 

[MCarsFan]

For someone so wealthy and successful, I would think you would know a thing or two about opportunity cost.

Say what you want. The fact is, whatever I am, I got an R for a lot less ADM than majority of the people on this board paid for their base 2016 tech pack. That's the reality.

I have also secured well over dozen MSRP deals for the base car, so I probably know thing or two about this, no?

My inbox keeps getting full every 2 days, and guess what I get in return. Just a "thank you".

 

[krt22]

Please post pictures of the R once you get it, so did you get it at 5k or 10k?

And finding a car at MSRP is not "Securing" a deal. Securing a deal is putting money down and having the car delivered. Just like the "10k over R" deal you "secured" which turned out to be much much more than that??

 

[MCarsFan]

Please post pictures of the R once you get it, so did you get it at 5k or 10k?

And finding a car at MSRP is not "Securing" a deal. Securing a deal is putting money down and having the car delivered. Just like the "10k over R" deal you "secured" which turned out to be much much more than that??

I have $5,000 down as deposit for the MSRP deal. Car finished production.

I just got off the phone with the GM for the R deal, they won't go down a penny more than $7k ADM.

Decision time.

 

[Dtmaso]

I have $5,000 down as deposit for the MSRP deal. Car finished production.

I just got off the phone with the GM for the R deal, they won't go down a penny more than $7k ADM.

Decision time.

I put $5000 deposit down on my R 4/15 for MSRP. However, proof is in the putting - once it arrives and the deal is done. Until then it's not an MSRP deal.

Still impatiently waiting for allocation to be picked up.

 

[MCarsFan]

I put $5000 deposit down on my R 4/15 for MSRP. However, proof is in the putting - once it arrives and the deal is done. Until then it's not an MSRP deal.

Still impatiently waiting for allocation to be picked up.

6 months and it still hasnt hit production? And you think that will change?

If it were me, I would get my money back a month after waiting.

 

[2011gt350]

Think about what I mentioned early on the 5k vs 7k. Over 60 months if you keep the car it is about 1 dollar more a day. What do you really want and when?? You have a deal at msrp which seems to be what you are comfortable with. If the dealer went to 5k over would you buy it or try to lower the price more? Only questions you can answer....if you wait long enough maybe you can get one at msrp or less. My guess is something new and better will be announced and you will have the same decisions to make on the latest and greatest unless you really want the R at 5k or lower. Not an easy decision for you ...money aside...what do you really want and when...time is money...if you want the car now you may have to pay more than you would like to ...or you can wait...who knows what the price will reduce to..

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