Tell me about your methanol injection setup

[kcc0521]

I am planning to buy a methanol injection setup to lower IATs on my hellion sleeper setup. On a recent 1/4 pass my IAT went from 100 to 175 at the end of the run. I would love to hear where you by your methanol from, what setup you went with and how happy you are with the setup. I am skeptical about methanol injection after watching a recent episode of engine masters. They compared methanol injection to an intercooler and the results were not as good as expected because the intake did not disburse the liquid as well as air. the distribution issues cause some cylinders to be cool while other were very hot. I am leaning toward the snow 2.5 kit. I am planning to use the washer reservoir for the tank.

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[Jay-rod427]

Yikes! that's a terrible intercooler to rise that much. On 15 lbs my iat a couple weeks ago went from 95 to 122. Rather than snow if I were forced to use Meth I would look alky control personally. But a better intercooler will cost a lot more. Get a good nozzle either way. The better it can atomize, the better it will work and minimize hot cylinders.

I don't personally like meth injection because if the pump fails, sensor fails, nozzle plugs can cost you an engine real quick if you're pushing hard and depending on it.

We used to run meth injection on one of the race cars. Was always a problem child.

 

[Draklia]

You’ll be hard pressed to get any first hand opinions of the Snow kit on this forum as everyone just buys the most expensive Alky option that is always suggested on here. Like most things the expensive option is known to work.

 

[kcc0521]

You’ll be hard pressed to get any first hand opinions of the Snow kit on this forum as everyone just buys the most expensive Alky option that is always suggested on here. Like most things the expensive option is known to work.

I was going to go with the alky kit but Lund said he liked the Snow kit better because it has more adjustment.

 

[Tommy V]

Are you going to use it as a fuel or just a way to lower iats??

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I've always mounted my tank in the trunk. I used a snow kit on my srt-4. I never had an issue. It used a progressive controller. First nozzle hit at 12psi and second would come in at 18. Run a filter so the nozzles wont clog. And you get good adamization. Do you plan to run straight meth or a water mix?.

 

[kcc0521]

I've always mounted my tank in the trunk. I used a snow kit on my srt-4. I never had an issue. It used a progressive controller. First nozzle hit at 12psi and second would come in at 18. Run a filter so the nozzles wont clog. And you get good adamization. Do you plan to run straight meth or a water mix?.

What type of filter and does that come in most kits? I would love to hear your thoughts on straight meth vs water. the SNOW site says not to run straight meth.

 

[Jay-rod427]

What type of filter and does that come in most kits? I would love to hear your thoughts on straight meth vs water. the SNOW site says not to run straight meth.

Snow says that as it will eat up their inferior pump, and solenoids.

 

[kcc0521]

Yikes! that's a terrible intercooler to rise that much. On 15 lbs my iat a couple weeks ago went from 95 to 122. Rather than snow if I were forced to use Meth I would look alky control personally. But a better intercooler will cost a lot more. Get a good nozzle either way. The better it can atomize, the better it will work and minimize hot cylinders.

I don't personally like meth injection because if the pump fails, sensor fails, nozzle plugs can cost you an engine real quick if you're pushing hard and depending on it.

We used to run meth injection on one of the race cars. Was always a problem child.

What type of setup are you running and how much boost because I was on a Paxton setup at a similar boost and it got high as well. My buddy has a Armageddon kit and has similar IATs. I think most people just have their blinders on when it comes to IAT. It also makes a big difference how cool it is outside when you make a pass. If you are running a procharger or Paxton in warm weather you will be 150 or higher in 1/4.

 

[Jay-rod427]

What type of setup are you running and how much boost because I was on a Paxton setup at a similar boost and it got high as well. My buddy has a Armageddon kit and has similar IATs. I think most people just have their blinders on when it comes to IAT. It also makes a big difference how cool it is outside when you make a pass. If you are running a procharger or Paxton in warm weather you will be 150 or higher in 1/4.

P1X stage 2.

Ambient was around 80, iat 86 when staging, 118 at end of run.

https://datazap.me/u/jay-rod427/test-and-tune-3-5-31?log=0&data=1-3

With some heat soak on the first run of the day was still around 90 outside, started at 99 went to 122 on only about 10-11 lbs peak boost.


https://datazap.me/u/jay-rod427/test-and-tune-5-31?log=0&data=1-3-40

 

[ahl395]

Very happy with my Alky Control kit. It cut IATs in half and I gained 3psi/3-6* timing with it on top of 93. I spam that all over the forum so you've probably seen it already lol

Alky is more expensive but for good reason. It uses braided stainless lines not push in nylon lines, the controller is beefier and actually allows MORE adjustment than the Snow. Customer service is better as well.

Snow system has "start psi" and "max psi" to determine when to start injecting and when the pump should be maxed. But you cant change the slope. With the Alky kit you determine the start psi, but by using initial and gain, you can customize how much is injected at the turn on point and exactly how much it ramps up with psi. it isn't a huge difference, but it allows for more fine tuning. The downside is the Alky settings dont specifically reference to a certain psi. You have to look at your boost gauge to determine that yourself.

Snow does offer braided lines now, but I believe the added cost puts you in Alky territory anyway.

Only part of the Alky system I strayed away from is the nozzle. It's a 2 piece design where one half secures inside the pipe and one outside. You can use loctite and crank down on it but there is still the off chance of it coming part and your motor eating the nozzle. All other nozzles secure completely on the outside which I much prefer. I've used the Snow nozzles and DevilsOwn nozzles, the DevilsOwn are the best IMO.

Mount the nozzle as far away from the TB as possible for the best atomization and best distribution amongst the cylinders (as well as the best IAT drop). You'll have to move your IAT sensor post-meth to see/benefit from the lower IATs.

 

[F1scamp]

Just finishing up installing my setup, so no data yet. I couldn't find a kit that I liked all of the components, so I made my own. Using a homemade tank with a 6an feed to a ProMeth 30gph pump, 4an braided line to a ProMeth Pulse solenoid, to their 14gph nozzle with a custom made fitting to hold the nozzle in the Whipple port post- throttlebody as flush to the inside as possible. Using an AEM controller that has the integrated map sensor with on and full on boost settings. I base lined the car with the 3.5" pulley so I am going to be going by mph at the track. Bought the methanol from the track, it was 24 dollars for 5 gallons of vp M1. If the weather holds out next Wednesday I should have some decent idea of what it did.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

What type of filter and does that come in most kits? I would love to hear your thoughts on straight meth vs water. the SNOW site says not to run straight meth.

I ran 70/30 meth/h20. That's what most of the 4 banger guys were running back then. The guys that ran 100% meth never reported any I'll effects? I totalled the car and parted it out. Selling the head. And the short block separately. The engine looked like it was brand new. I think the water keep the internals clean as f#$k. The filter was a reusable bucket type. Pretty sure it was AEM. I know some people dont run a filter. But I've always been afraid. that if you clog the nozzles. And have to remove the nozzles over and over. Itll mess up the threads on the intake piping. Pretty sure only the real expensive kits include a filter. But their cheap if you gotta buy separately. 30-40 bucks.

 

[kcc0521]

Thanks for all the great information. Keep the information coming.

 

[gjpundsack]

Thanks for all the great information. Keep the information coming.

I'm using a Snow Stage 2 kit with their big pump, Redhorse Performance filter, braided SS lines and AN fittings. I also have a polished aluminum 2.5gl tank with all this hardware mounted on a fabricated plate in the trunk of my S550. I use a dual jet (#6) plate and have the controller set so the w-m is injected in three stages, tied to measured boost. I also have a dual IAT sensor setup so my tuner can see the IAT from the MAF and the intake manifold plenum. I also have the FORE triple pump return line fuel system and run E85. Works great.

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