Take note, Ford....

[superman07]

I love my 350, but with Ford build quality, and dealer attitude and technician skill at anywhere near 5k, I buy that BMW all day long. Some of the more premium Ford vehicles, 350, Raptor etc. They get great press but when you own them you see behind the curtain. They are just damn Fords. I love Ford but if they push too much to try and go up market they will fall on their face. They are not ready at almost every level outside of engineering. But the engineers don't run the company.

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[SVT-DADDY]

We need a Scat Package type package on the mustang. Call it a GTS or something

 

[Stingray23]

How about manufacturers just lowering the prices instead of making a more stripped model of an already stripped model?

 

[SVT-DADDY]

How about manufacturers just lowering the prices instead of making a more stripped model of an already stripped model?

Never happen.

I am looking at ordering a new JL Wrangler when they come out.

Folks over at the Wrangler forum are having the EXACT same conversations about prices and packages.

I mean exact!

 

[marks]

The engine and transmissions are new. I'd bet both have had 50+% parts change.

The changes to the engine are more dramatic than they're given credit for.

Basically, the car is just more expensive to manufacture.

Are you talking about the muscle car Mustang?

 

[1320']

The issue is simply the Mustang's components became more expensive.

The Camaro SS was moderately loaded from the factory by having the former RS components lumped into the 1SS and having the same dash (reconfigurable center screen) as the 2SS.

With the Mustang there isn't room to strip down the car as it already IS pretty well bottom of the barrel level (base radio, no digital dash/touch screen etc).

With the Camaro they can essentially plug the SS running gear (brembos, engine, etc) into a 1LT Camaro and cut the price down significantly.

 

[thehunterooo]

How about manufacturers just lowering the prices instead of making a more stripped model of an already stripped model?

Ford and Dodge could never do it but GM could. The Camaro has huge profits already, I think they could sell a 2SS for well under $20,000 and still make a tidy profit :amen:

 

[1320']

How about manufacturers just lowering the prices instead of making a more stripped model of an already stripped model?

It's not reasonable to expect these companies to make no money or take a hit on cars by lowering prices on cars with the same content.

The only option is to remove content from the cars to lower the up front cost.

 

[Rinzler]

Ford and Dodge could never do it but GM could. The Camaro has huge profits already, I think they could sell a 2SS for well under $20,000 and still make a tidy profit :amen:

Please post your findings on GM profit margins on the Camaro to support this.

This is literally laughable, on average most manufacturers are making around a 6-7% profit margin on vehicles.

http://marketrealist.com/2015/02/intense-competition-leads-low-profit-margins-automakers/

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...r-car-profits-beat-ford-gm-chrysler/23852189/

Selling any model Camaro for less than 6% of MSRP would yield losses. So the base i4 Camaro can't sell for less than around $24,500 before GM starts incurring losses.

 

[NoVaGT]

Are you talking about the muscle car Mustang?

You're killin' me!!:frusty::frusty:






















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[TomcatDriver]

I love my 350, but with Ford build quality, and dealer attitude and technician skill at anywhere near 5k, I buy that BMW all day long. Some of the more premium Ford vehicles, 350, Raptor etc. They get great press but when you own them you see behind the curtain. They are just damn Fords. I love Ford but if they push too much to try and go up market they will fall on their face. They are not ready at almost every level outside of engineering. But the engineers don't run the company.

Exactly this. I think I'm pretty much a key demographic for Ford. I'm a mid-life guy with kids (almost) out of the house making decent money. If I was willing to forgo a little savings I could buy a $100K car if I wanted, but a lifetime of thriftiness won't let me do it. I can certainly afford a $35-50K somewhat impractical car, but I'm not going to do it twice. I was pretty well sold on getting an '18, but the pricing has me reevaluating my plans. The thing that really gets me the most is panel fit. At first I chalked the complaints I saw here up to standard internet complaining, but then I started looking at cars on the lot. Easily 25% of the vehicles I saw had some panel fit issue that would warrant a trip to the body shop to correct.

 

[nastang87xx]

THE MUSTANG ISN'T A CAR! IT'S AN ANIMAL! A PRECIOUS BEAUTIFUL GORGEOUS ANIMAL! PETA WILL HEAR ABOUT THIS AND ALL OF YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE FOR ABUSING SUCH A WONDERFUL CREATURE OF THE WORLD!

 

[thehunterooo]

Please post your findings on GM profit margins on the Camaro to support this.

This is literally laughable, on average most manufacturers are making around a 6-7% profit margin on vehicles.

http://marketrealist.com/2015/02/intense-competition-leads-low-profit-margins-automakers/

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...r-car-profits-beat-ford-gm-chrysler/23852189/

Selling any model Camaro for less than 6% of MSRP would yield losses. So the base i4 Camaro can't sell for less than around $24,500 before GM starts incurring losses.

Hey don't ask me for factual information I get all my stuff from MEDISIN!

 

[superman07]

When you get into accounting and balance sheets for large publicly traded companies you had better pack your lunch. Analysts try, and then extrapolate based on their experience the perceived margins however SG&A, impairments, and literally thousands of things get baked into that cake, and massaged by unit leaders and accountants to paint a holistically healthy quarterly report. Not trying to be rude but there is no way any non Chevy insider has any real idea what the cost basis or margin truly is on the car. I do absolutely guarantee you however that if any company really had a 6 percent margin they would not exist (except TSLA). That 6-7 percent includes so much noise. If a company wanted to they could reduce spending in some areas and drop prices and still generate a quarterly report that looked as though the same car hit 6 percent.

Please post your findings on GM profit margins on the Camaro to support this.

This is literally laughable, on average most manufacturers are making around a 6-7% profit margin on vehicles.

http://marketrealist.com/2015/02/intense-competition-leads-low-profit-margins-automakers/

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...r-car-profits-beat-ford-gm-chrysler/23852189/

Selling any model Camaro for less than 6% of MSRP would yield losses. So the base i4 Camaro can't sell for less than around $24,500 before GM starts incurring losses.

 

[superman07]

I can tell you that one company I worked for literally made our annual bonus numbers by less than a dollar. 99 percent sure we didn't actually but that's what accountants are for.

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