Speherical bearings vs delrin

[invaliduser]

I know spherical are stiffer but what are their noise characteristics like? Do they squeak and creak?
I have the steeda vertical links with the black delrin and they are driving me crazy.
I can sometimes get them to stop creaking but then for whatever reason they come back and get super creaky over any imperfection in the road or twist in the body like when accelerating or turning and going up driveways.

I'm willing to try spherical vertical links if I can get rid of the creaking otherwise I'll have to go back to stock

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[MtnBiker]

I'm willing to try spherical vertical links if I can get rid of the creaking otherwise I'll have to go back to stock

You already have a bunch of sphericals in your suspension ... the OEM ones have rubber gaskets to keep crud out and keep them quiet. Kelly at BMR stands behind their vertical links with spherical bearings (easier to install too). You can also go with the Boomba vertical links that use poly bushings and in that application they'll probably stay pretty quiet.

 

[BMR Tech]

Super common. People swap to our TCA045 links quite often due to the NVH of Delrin and...they're simply a pain to maintain (lubrication)

We only offer Delrin due to all others offering them. But I have not once recommended Delrin over bearing.

Bearing FTW

 

[BMR Tech]

On that note, Happy New Year!

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[SteedaTech]

I know spherical are stiffer but what are their noise characteristics like? Do they squeak and creak?
I have the steeda vertical links with the black delrin and they are driving me crazy.
I can sometimes get them to stop creaking but then for whatever reason they come back and get super creaky over any imperfection in the road or twist in the body like when accelerating or turning and going up driveways.

I'm willing to try spherical vertical links if I can get rid of the creaking otherwise I'll have to go back to stock

pm your contact info and I will eliminate the creaking noise in our vertical links. We have sold hundreds of kits with positive results.

Happy New Year

Mike D

 

[WhiteyDog]

Those BMR vertical links look pretty d*mn nice. I have the Steeda vertical links myself and don't have any issues.

 

[Voodooo]

pm your contact info and I will eliminate the creaking noise in our vertical links. We have sold hundreds of kits with positive results.

Happy New Year

Mike D

How are you going to eliminate the noise? It's a metal sleeve in a Delrin bushing. Even with grease it'll still squeak sooner or later. I've made my own Delrin bushings before by using 4 pieces. Two halfs (one for each side, a Delrin sleeve, and a stainless sleeve that goes into the Delrin sleeve for the bolt. I put a zerk fitting into the control arm and I machined a spiral groove into the Delrin to hold grease. This is the only way to eliminate squeaking.

Right now I'm making my own camber link bearings and bushings. I machined a Ford performance toe link bearing to be pressed into the stock camber link, and made another set of Delrin bushings as I described above. I'll post more info with pics once I finish them.

 

[SteedaTech]

How are you going to eliminate the noise? It's a metal sleeve in a Delrin bushing. Even with grease it'll still squeak sooner or later. I've made my own Delrin bushings before by using 4 pieces. Two halfs (one for each side, a Delrin sleeve, and a stainless sleeve that goes into the Delrin sleeve for the bolt. I put a zerk fitting into the control arm and I machined a spiral groove into the Delrin to hold grease. This is the only way to eliminate squeaking.

Right now I'm making my own camber link bearings and bushings. I machined a Ford performance toe link bearing to be pressed into the stock camber link, and made another set of Delrin bushings as I described above. I'll post more info with pics once I finish them.[/QUOTE

Again, out of the hundreds we have sold we do not have a issue with squeaking. I know with other suspension applications and low grade Delrin they could squeak especially in Sway bar pivot applications . We have been building suspension components for nearly 30 years. I know we use a certain spec in Delrin in this application.
Looking forward to seeing your new camber link assembly.

Plus, if you ever get to South Georgia I would love to give you a tour of our CNC dept and our prototype lab. We have all the latest in Mori-Seki turning centers,Mazak mills and Hass equipment.

 

[Voodooo]

How are you going to eliminate the noise? It's a metal sleeve in a Delrin bushing. Even with grease it'll still squeak sooner or later. I've made my own Delrin bushings before by using 4 pieces. Two halfs (one for each side, a Delrin sleeve, and a stainless sleeve that goes into the Delrin sleeve for the bolt. I put a zerk fitting into the control arm and I machined a spiral groove into the Delrin to hold grease. This is the only way to eliminate squeaking.

Right now I'm making my own camber link bearings and bushings. I machined a Ford performance toe link bearing to be pressed into the stock camber link, and made another set of Delrin bushings as I described above. I'll post more info with pics once I finish them.[/QUOTE

Again, out of the hundreds we have sold we do not have a issue with squeaking. I know with other suspension applications and low grade Delrin they could squeak especially in Sway bar pivot applications . We have been building suspension components for nearly 30 years. I know we use a certain spec in Delrin in this application.
Looking forward to seeing your new camber link assembly.

Plus, if you ever get to South Georgia I would love to give you a tour of our CNC dept and our prototype lab. We have all the latest in Mori-Seki turning centers,Mazak mills and Hass equipment.

I'm not knocking your products. Sorry if you took my comment that way but that was not my intention. I was just curious on how Steeda was going to stop the squeak.

 

[invaliduser]

pm your contact info and I will eliminate the creaking noise in our vertical links. We have sold hundreds of kits with positive results.

Happy New Year

Mike D

Hi Mike,

I've already PM'd TJ about it and spoke on the phone with Randy.

I sent Randy some videos of the noise happening and how it happens at the lower mounting point.

It was fine at first with the supplied grease. Then one day it started doing a high pitch squeak squeak over bumps.
I asked about it and was suggested that I check the bolt torque. I did that and ended up loosening the bolt a quarter turn from what my torque wrench was saying 129ft lb. I figured maybe my wrench is bad. I bought another one and tried it and still no dice. However, if it's looser than spec at around 90-100 ftlb it won't squeak.

I took the link off and cleaned it up and slathered some Lucas green Xtra heavy duty grease on all over it. I definitely put way too much but that quieted it down and it was fine for a couple weeks. It rained and the roads were wet and road puddles ended up getting to it. Now it creaks and not the high pitch squeak. Like the loudest part of your creaky hardwood floor multiplied by maybe 50. I can hear it over my Mach thunder exhaust even with the windows closed and some music. If the window is open it's even worse since I'd hear it echoing off all the walls or parked cars I drive by. It's quite irritating.
I took it all off again to clean off and applied carefully a thin layer that looks like the way it should be and put it back on.
This time it stopped again even at the proper torque levels.
But once again it's back and this time it's weird. It only does it on slight suspension movements and not extreme up and downs, at least not all the time.

I don't want to have to keep taking it off and relubing and having to remount it. Sure it's putting my new lift in my garage to good use and I'm very glad I have a lift to assist with this otherwise I would have already swapped out of them.
I read on other forums people use some bel Ray assembly lube to keep the lubed and water out. I bought some of that and will try it before I give up.

 

[invaliduser]

Alrighty, I got in contact with Mike @ Steeda and he is super helpful.

The issue with the noise is resolved.

They QC'd a new set and sent that to me in exchange for mine back so they can check on those ones in case something was wrong with it.

I used the tacky stuff supplied with the set in the beginning and it worked great for a while but then I didn't have any more when it started making noise so I just put some heavy duty grease on.
It's suggested that I not use petroleum grease and try to get thick and sticky tacky grease like the stuff supplied.


Thanks to Mike and his terrific customer service I'm a happy camper now. I have about 400 miles on it so far and still good.

 

[Bluemustang]

Super common. People swap to our TCA045 links quite often due to the NVH of Delrin and...they're simply a pain to maintain (lubrication)

We only offer Delrin due to all others offering them. But I have not once recommended Delrin over bearing.

Bearing FTW

What sort of noise could the TCA046 make? I am wondering if this could be causing my continuous clunking noise all along. I looked at BMR's website and it does mention that installing the TCA046 without first addressing the toe knuckle bushing and rear LCA bushing can cause additional stress on parts.

I had an issue with a stock piece in the rear suspension that needed replacing. An upper control arm piece I think it was. I fix the clunk noise only for it return again in a few weeks. Would you recommend I consider installing TCA045 and LCA bearing? Since I have the CB005, toe links and FRPP toe bearing - I'm pretty sure it's not any of those parts causing a problem. I wonder if the TCA046 is helping to make more noises/wear to occur. That's the only thing I can think of. Once I read that description again on the website it got me to thinking. So I need to figure this out and I'm willing to explore all options.

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