so why doesnt the GT350 come with.....

[Cruzinaround]

Does Ford even have a DCT transmission in a car yet (minus the DCT in the Focus)? Maybe thats why it hasn't been offered because they don't have one available.

Could also have something to do with keeping the costs down and they couldn't find an off the shelf DCT to put in without costing too much. Also it seems like the Ford Performance team was going to all out performance and with the costs and extended development time needed, they deemed a DCT wasn't feasible. Look at the new Z06, Tadge said that he recommends the manual if you want to be serious about tracking the car.

If you consider how many of us enthusiasts enjoy modding our mustangs then it's likely a situation where the level of torque exceeds the safe limits of current DCT's. And in order to make a DCT that can handle the additional torque as the cars are modded would be cost prohibitive for this type of vehicle and the intended market its matched to.

As "is" the torque level on the VooDoo is higher than comparable FPC's that are more street focused for the consumer market. And a FORD Focus DCT is not handling that amount of potential VooDoo torque even at 400+ft/lbs which is not as high as a SC Coyote.

So I agree its more than likely all about costs. Once these units can be made stronger and mass produced in an affordable way....LIKE those carbon wheels... you'll begin seeing more of them on cars like this. So the modders can mod and the tranny won't break.

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[Cruzinaround]

There is a side by side by side comparison of the Camaro Z28, The Dodge Hellcat and the Ford GT350.

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[Trackaholic]

There is a side by side by side comparison of the Camaro Z28, The Dodge Hellcat and the Ford GT350.

Extremely Rare footage.

Created by one of our own:
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12450&highlight=gt350+hitler+video

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[10splaya22]

If you consider how many of us enthusiasts enjoy modding our mustangs then it's likely a situation where the level of torque exceeds the safe limits of current DCT's. And in order to make a DCT that can handle the additional torque as the cars are modded would be cost prohibitive for this type of vehicle and the intended market its matched to.

As "is" the torque level on the VooDoo is higher than comparable FPC's that are more street focused for the consumer market. And a FORD Focus DCT is not handling that amount of potential VooDoo torque even at 400+ft/lbs which is not as high as a SC Coyote.

The GTR's DCT seems to be just fine...Its putting out much more torque than the Voodoo ever will without boost.

Also the Focus DCT is junk. That obviously wouldn't work.

I do agree its all about cost and it would get away from what the GT350 is all about...world class performance at a great price.

 

[Rob WH]

F1 rules favor one transmission type over another. Schumacher didn't get much choice on that. He just drove what they gave him to victory. I'm also quite sure he could drive a manual better than I can.

The fact remains, F1 uses a specific type and that reason isn't because it's inferior to any other type. That reason is because it is superior.

Ford has stated production numbers for the Shelby of 5500 units/year. They will be able to sell all those manual transmission cars easily (and more if they want to). Since all of those cars get lousy mileage, they have to sell a lot of really fuel efficient cars to keep their CAFE high enough. That also limits production. As also mentioned, you don't mass produce a model marketed to provide exclusivity.

I am glad the manual is the only option. I would still get it even if I had to drive it in traffic. I did heavy commuter traffic in Los Angeles with my '65 289 4spd. No problem. And it didn't have a modern silky smooth hydraulic clutch.

5,500 isn't really considered exclusive anymore than it ever was... and it never was. It's limited, but not exclusive.

They will indeed sell them all. The fact remains, they could sell more GT350's if they also used an automatic transmission. This isn't a guess, it's a fact. Also, since you mentioned fuel economy, using an auto could raise economy in that model and thus, lower the number of other vehicles needed to reach CAFE standards. 1 more reason to offer what the masses request. I, for one, am simply of the mindset that an automatic should be offered. I have no problem w/ the manual.

That said, your 289 4spd is nothing like the 2015/16 etc. GT350, except both are called "Mustang" and share the basic attributes of a car. It didn't have the high power or the heavy weight. It didn't have the tight gear ratio either, even if you installed 4:10 gears, so it would surely require less shifting in identical scenarios. No, it's not as smooth and it may be more difficult to operate, but it really has nothing to do with the conversation. My 1st 5 Mustangs had manuals... that was then.

I agree in all basic terms, with your view on what makes a manual, a manual.

Thats what I was getting at. They don't have one available at the price point they need. If they take one from the 2017 GT I can't see that being economically feasible in the GT350 given its price. Also the GT transmission came out at the very end of 2013 so development time wouldn't have been very long either. In the future though I hope they at least have them as an option although I love manuals if I couldn't have that a DCT would be at the top of the list.

I agree with you, it's something they likely left out because of costs and because of testing time limits. They do not want anything like the 1999 debacle, wherein they produce a top line Mustang and people spend the next 15yrs picking apart 1 problem which they solved in short order... so a DCT would surely be later instead of initial. Of course, the GT can have it now for 2 main reasons aside from the fact the GT isn't being sold yet. #1, it's very pricey and they can spend on it and 2, it's going to be very limited in numbers.

One other thing we're not really discussing in regards to the use of such a transmission: The GT is extremely lightweight and it helps any transmission, to be in a car weighing 1,000 lb (and more) less than another.

It's funny you say I'm wrong but then talk about something completely different than what I was saying.

Just repeating the same things over again still missing the points doesn't convince anyone. Hopefully you feel better getting all this off your chest, because that's about all you're doing.

Actually, I said you're wrong and directly addressed your comment, which was telling me the people at Ford disagree w/ me and that's why there's no auto in GT350. The fact is, they know, as I know, more people want the automatic. They do not disagree with me. The reason they chose the route they chose had essentially nothing to do with the fact of more people wanting an automatic. This reality leads me to wonder why you think my logic is so flawed. I mean, you didn't even put together what I was saying, so how can you correctly judge my logic? You can't, because you're not even taking in what I'm telling you.

So the Voodoo just appeared when they revealed the car? They didn't spend years developing the engine before it was revealed?

EVERYBODY! There's a point in there... :ford:

There is a side by side by side comparison of the Camaro Z28, The Dodge Hellcat and the Ford GT350.

Extremely Rare footage.

That may be the "dumbest" video ever! :lol:

 

[Hack]

Actually, I said you're wrong and directly addressed your comment, which was telling me the people at Ford disagree w/ me and that's why there's no auto in GT350. The fact is, they know, as I know, more people want the automatic. They do not disagree with me. The reason they chose the route they chose had essentially nothing to do with the fact of more people wanting an automatic. This reality leads me to wonder why you think my logic is so flawed. I mean, you didn't even put together what I was saying, so how can you correctly judge my logic? You can't, because you're not even taking in what I'm telling you.

Well alright. Here goes then...


You said.

Ford did perfectly fine there. You can get it with bare bones or as most will prefer. That's exactly why having no automatic option is pointless.

I said.

Obviously some highly paid people at Ford disagree with you. Maybe you should re-examine your logic here.

You said.

Wrong. They know more of us want an auto. There's a reason they aren't using an auto, but it's NOTHING to do with the main customer wants insofar as transmissions. More than likely, they don't trust just any auto to truly hold up against the abuse, but they'll never admit that. It's also very expensive for the DCT which I'm sure they think would hold up.

I am STILL telling you that there are highly paid people at Ford that disagree with you. It's not pointless that they aren't offering an automatic. There's a reason - probably multiple reasons.

Maybe now that I helped you - you will have a better time keeping up.

So tell me - is it pointless as you said? Or am I right and there's a point in not offering an automatic?

 

[Spa2k]

Rob WH, if you changed the word "fact" in your posts to "IMHO," they'd make a lot more sense.

 

[Arrowsigns]

I would have loved to have the GT 350 as a candidate for my next sports car.
Without having a Auto Trans option the car is not for me. With some of the other brands offering the Auto at a reasonable cost. Porshe PDK $3,200 or Corvettes Auto $1,720. The cost of these performance transmissions are a drop in the bucket considering the cost of the car and other options-packages.

 

[Hack]

Rob WH, if you changed the word "fact" in your posts to "IMHO," they'd make a lot more sense.

H doesn't seem to enter in.

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